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I think we're about due for one -- feels like it's been at least a week. Right, WT? ;)

I was recently making space on my DVR by transferring my 2017 Nationals recordings to DVD (an annual tradition as the new season gets underway), and I came across a little gem where Baldwin was interviewing the 2 Gables (Steveson for his verbal to Minnie, and Dan for - well - his thoughts on Penn State. I found the latter exchange pretty amusing after recalling Nolf's post-finals interview later in the tournament . . .

Baldwin interview w/ Dan Gable
Baldwin: Question for you, Coach. You won 21 Big Ten titles, 15 national titles. Cael Sanderson has something special going on right there -- going on right now. He's going to win -- it looks like he's headed toward 6 out of 7. Do you see any similarities, differences -- what's he got going on there that's allowed him to create what's really, truly an empire, a real legacy there at Penn State?

Gable: Well, it looks like his kids are out there competing, they're getting better during the season, and they're really hitting it with some stuff that, uhh, you know, it's not normally basic wrestling. It's maybe basic for some people, but you don't know where they're going to come from. So, I think that that's the big thing, that they're having fun out there, like He says -- I'm not sure if wrestling's fun or not, but, it's obviously fun when you get your hand raised, and they're getting their hands raised a lot.

Baldwin: Beautiful. All right, guys, thanks so much. Thanks for being with us . . .

Kessenich interview w/Nolf
Kessenich: . . . And that's Coach Sanderson's motto, basically, for you guys. Be aggressive, and have fun. Where was the fun tonight? Where did we see the fun?

Nolf: I had a lot of fun having -- holding my hands up.

Kessenich (chuckling): Yes you did. Congratulations, Jason.

Now, I doubt Nolf said that intentionally as a poke at Gable -- he actually stopped himself from saying "having my hand raised" -- but it would have been hilarious if he had.

Overall, the Baldwin interview was just peculiar. First, the insensitivity in asking Gable (of all people) that question about Cael and PSU. Followed up by his "Beautiful" response after Gable was finished commenting on something that was obviously painful to acknowledge.

And then you have Gable's general discontent with the state of affairs. PSU guys improve during the season (read: peak at Nationals). PSU is creative/multidimensional in its wrestling style (read: they do more than just "move forward").

Once the "PSU must be cheating" and "other programs are saying not-so-nice things about us" excuses run their course on the boards, maybe we can have some f*n with a "PSU guys know cool moves" excuse. ;)

All in f*n, people . . .
 
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Just peeked at HR, que dumpster fire video:p
 
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what the hell was the illin back up hvy thinking.....he wasnt. good on stoll to fall right
 
Yea, he saved Stoll the trouble and threw himself to his back.

Overall still a rather entertaining dual.
 
Rachal reminded me of a HWT I coached at the junior high level. We're winning by 5 points and we're telling him "Ok. Just wrestle smart out there. Nothing risky." He proceeded to try to throw his kid and put himself straight to his back. Pin. Lose. But he was a junior high kid. A D1 wrestler does THAT? Oy!
 
I checked wrestlestat and saw that Rachal was pinned something like a half dozen times last year. Knew they were doomed.
 
slushhead said:
I think we're about due for one -- feels like it's been at least a week. Right, WT? ;)

I was recently making space on my DVR by transferring my 2017 Nationals recordings to DVD (an annual tradition as the new season gets underway), and I came across a little gem where Baldwin was interviewing the 2 Gables (Steveson for his verbal to Minnie, and Dan for - well - his thoughts on Penn State. I found the latter exchange pretty amusing after recalling Nolf's post-finals interview later in the tournament . . .

Baldwin interview w/ Dan Gable
Baldwin: Question for you, Coach. You won 21 Big Ten titles, 15 national titles. Cael Sanderson has something special going on right there -- going on right now. He's going to win -- it looks like he's headed toward 6 out of 7. Do you see any similarities, differences -- what's he got going on there that's allowed him to create what's really, truly an empire, a real legacy there at Penn State?

Gable: Well, it looks like his kids are out there competing, they're getting better during the season, and they're really hitting it with some stuff that, uhh, you know, it's not normally basic wrestling. It's maybe basic for some people, but you don't know where they're going to come from. So, I think that that's the big thing, that they're having fun out there, like He says -- I'm not sure if wrestling's fun or not, but, it's obviously fun when you get your hand raised, and they're getting their hands raised a lot.

Baldwin: Beautiful. All right, guys, thanks so much. Thanks for being with us . . .

Kessenich interview w/Nolf
Kessenich: . . . And that's Coach Sanderson's motto, basically, for you guys. Be aggressive, and have fun. Where was the fun tonight? Where did we see the fun?

Nolf: I had a lot of fun having -- holding my hands up.

Kessenich (chuckling): Yes you did. Congratulations, Jason.

Now, I doubt Nolf said that intentionally as a poke at Gable -- he actually stopped himself from saying "having my hand raised" -- but it would have been hilarious if he had.

Overall, the Baldwin interview was just peculiar. First, the insensitivity in asking Gable (of all people) that question about Cael and PSU. Followed up by his "Beautiful" response after Gable was finished commenting on something that was obviously painful to acknowledge.

And then you have Gable's general discontent with the state of affairs. PSU guys improve during the season (read: peak at Nationals). PSU is creative/multidimensional in its wrestling style (read: they do more than just "move forward").

Once the "PSU must be cheating" and "other programs are saying not-so-nice things about us" excuses run their course on the boards, maybe we can have some f*n with a "PSU guys know cool moves" excuse. ;)

All in f*n, people . . .
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What is the probability Gable watches PSU wrestling and recognizes, understands and appreciates what makes PSU dominant, and if he was aware of the goofs from HR he would be embarrassed?
 
funkisfun12 said:
What about Terry touching the ref during the Stoll match? Only in Carver. No excuse for that, unless he was simply asking the ref to "throw me".
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Yeah, Tom had to drag him away as he is standing on the mat poking the ref in the back as the ref is looking for the pin. I had to laugh, it's like WWE. After Tom pulled him off, he strode quickly away. His body language didn't look too happy - his back was too the camera couldn't see the face.

I mean it's not going to cost him in Carver, and I wouldn't advocate losing the match like that anyway. But if it was a wrestler doing that, the coaches would be apoplectic. All I can think is that he goes into kind of a fugue state when he gets that excited and suspends all logical thinking. Kind of like me after a few too many whiskey shots.
 
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funkisfun12 said:
What about Terry touching the ref during the Stoll match? Only in Carver. No excuse for that, unless he was simply asking the ref to "throw me".
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dicemen99 said:
Yeah, Tom had to drag him away as he is standing on the mat poking the ref in the back as the ref is looking for the pin. I had to laugh, it's like WWE.
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Lol. My first reaction when I saw Funk's post was that the Brandses get away with so much at Carver that I'm surprised they don't just let Terry officiate the matches . . . like the "special guest referee" in WWE.

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Ja1339 said:
Wait what? That must be a mis-print. Vodka told us if the Hawks caught a few breaks, they'd compete for a title this year. ;)
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Half of the team didn't compete tonight.

Throw in Lee, Warner, PD3 and Marinelli and it's a different team altogether. Shouldn't have to spell that out for you.

Iowa was bad today. We'll find out a lot at midlands. Turk with some bad losses already. Curious how Murin would have done in those matches.
 
dicemen99 said:
Yeah, Tom had to drag him away as he is standing on the mat poking the ref in the back as the ref is looking for the pin. I had to laugh, it's like WWE. After Tom pulled him off, he strode quickly away. His body language didn't look too happy - his back was too the camera couldn't see the face.

I mean it's not going to cost him in Carver, and I wouldn't advocate losing the match like that anyway. But if it was a wrestler doing that, the coaches would be apoplectic. All I can think is that he goes into kind of a fugue state when he gets that excited and suspends all logical thinking. Kind of like me after a few too many whiskey shots.
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He tried to tag the ref out and call the pin himself. Not a bad strategy.

Still wish Cael would have put a little more effort into his WWE chair throw.
 
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Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
Half of the team didn't compete tonight.

Throw in Lee, Warner, PD3 and Marinelli and it's a different team altogether. Shouldn't have to spell that out for you.

Iowa was bad today. We'll find out a lot at midlands. Turk with some bad losses already. Curious how Murin would have done in those matches.
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You mentioned 4 wrestlers. That's not half the team, just 40% of the team. Shouldn't have to spell that out for you. Just sayin.
 
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Even though Young got teched I appreciated how he battled IMAR. I missed the 3rd period, but when I was watching he didn't back down and try to keep it close. I was impressed with his effort.
 
Some on HR are already telling us that next year is the year. They usually don't start with that level of delusion until the second day of NCAAs.
 
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Stoll looks slimmer and quicker to me. Nice way to end a bad dual. Have your fun over here but realize those that pay attention knew how close this dual could be. I was a bit surprised to see Kemerer not open it up more however. No excuses. It feels like a loss, certainly not a win.
 
I didn't find anything too surprising other than the reserved fashion Kemdog used to win a regular decision. He normally would have attacked much harder for bonus. Turk was/is over rated by fans, but is a 2-2 at NCAA guy at best. Stoll looks much leaner and was going to pin that little round dude in any case. I like Gunther- he is a throwback hard nosed over achiever like so many Hawkeyes from the Gable era.
 
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Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
Half of the team didn't compete tonight.

Throw in Lee, Warner, PD3 and Marinelli and it's a different team altogether. Shouldn't have to spell that out for you.

Iowa was bad today. We'll find out a lot at midlands. Turk with some bad losses already. Curious how Murin would have done in those matches.
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Obviously Iowa would be a much better team with those 4. But unfortunately, 2 of those probably won't see the starting lineup and a 3rd still has to get enrolled and avoid rib injuries, among other things. Even without them Iowa will still win most of their matches, including Rutgers. But title contention is a fantasy.
 
Can anyone tell me who the referee is in that match? I see him do a lot of matches and was just curious.
 
WildTurk said:
Stoll looks slimmer and quicker to me. Nice way to end a bad dual. Have your fun over here but realize those that pay attention knew how close this dual could be. I was a bit surprised to see Kemerer not open it up more however. No excuses. It feels like a loss, certainly not a win.
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How could you tell when Stoll didn't take a shot, lol. Also, lower weight isn't necessarily a good thing for a guy like Stoll that relies on that extra mass to be effective with his underhook, push and look for stall technique.

Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
Half of the team didn't compete tonight.

Iowa was bad today. We'll find out a lot at midlands. Turk with some bad losses already. Curious how Murin would have done in those matches.
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Why would you think Murin (or Happal for that matter) would be better then Turk who won the wrestle-off? You and some of your fellow hawk fans continue to elevate some of your guys abilities based on nothing more then wishful thinking and then look all confused when they don't perform up to those distorted expectations. Murin is a long way from having an impact at 141 and should redshirt.
 
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For those who missed Stoll's win last night ... Pretty comical, aside from the obvious -- even if the throw worked, no way it would've stayed in bounds.

 
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It took a Minny coach and Minny hvy for Iowa to squeak by a soft out of shape Illini squad.
 
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