Today in history- 1964

[Nitt1300]

The FBI found the bodies of three murdered civil rights workers buried in a dam site in Mississippi.

A less known part of this well known incident is that the information leading to their recovery came from Gregory Scarpa, also known as the Grim Reaper, who was a capo in the Columbo crime family in New York. He kidnapped a KKK member who had been involved in the murders and convinced him to give up the location of the bodies.

 

[rem524]

"Convinced him", huh? I bet I can imagine how that went down. Then again, I'm not really feeling sorry for the guy.

 

[86Engineer]

FWIW, this is from the Wiki page on the incident:

The bodies of the CORE activists were found only after an informant (discussed in FBI reports only as "Mr. X") passed along a tip to federal authorities.[31] They were discovered on August 4, 1964, 44 days after their murder, underneath an earthen dam on Burrage's farm. Schwerner and Goodman had each been shot once in the heart; Chaney, a black man, had been severely beaten, castrated and shot three times. The identity of "Mr. X" was revealed publicly forty years after the original events, and revealed to be Maynard King, a Mississippi Highway Patrol officer close to the head of the FBI investigation. King died in 1966.[32][33]

 

[Nitt1300]

"Convinced him", huh? I bet I can imagine how that went down. Then again, I'm not really feeling sorry for the guy.

"you have the right to have your head blown off"

 

[BBrown]

"Convinced him", huh? I bet I can imagine how that went down. Then again, I'm not really feeling sorry for the guy.

Yes I hope it was a very long and painful "interview".

 

[BBrown]

The FBI found the bodies of three murdered civil rights workers buried in a dam site in Mississippi.

A less known part of this well known incident is that the information leading to their recovery came from Gregory Scarpa, also known as the Grim Reaper, who was a capo in the Columbo crime family in New York. He kidnapped a KKK member who had been involved in the murders and convinced him to give up the location of the bodies.

Also of note and sort of ironic Alan Parker, the Director of Mississippi Burning died last week.

 

[SEPATOPTEN]

Also of note and sort of ironic Alan Parker, the Director of Mississippi Burning died last week.

A great movie. Best movie about the civil rights era by far. It's not even close. Hackman and Dafoe are fabulous in it.

 

[BBrown]

A great movie. Best movie about the civil rights era by far. It's not even close. Hackman and Dafoe are fabulous in it.

I thought Selma was good but Mississippi Burning is excellent.

 

[ftlpsu]

If we water boarded Perps i.e. Ghislaine Maxwell and many others...lot of truths would come out, a lot quicker and for less money

Sorry if I am impatient...I mean pragmatic

 

[ao5884]

Today in 1846 the Smithsonian Institue was established in DC

 

[psuguy43]

Today marks 55 years since the passage of the Voting Rights Act, which outlawed discriminatory voting practices that disproportionately affected people of color.

 

[nits74]

FWIW, this is from the Wiki page on the incident:

The bodies of the CORE activists were found only after an informant (discussed in FBI reports only as "Mr. X") passed along a tip to federal authorities.[31] They were discovered on August 4, 1964, 44 days after their murder, underneath an earthen dam on Burrage's farm. Schwerner and Goodman had each been shot once in the heart; Chaney, a black man, had been severely beaten, castrated and shot three times. The identity of "Mr. X" was revealed publicly forty years after the original events, and revealed to be Maynard King, a Mississippi Highway Patrol officer close to the head of the FBI investigation. King died in 1966.[32][33]

But, there were very good people on both sides.

 

[ao5884]

But, there were very good people on both sides.

In the civil rights movement Republicans and democrats actually were in agreement.

 

[Nitt1300]

In the civil rights movement Republicans and democrats actually were in agreement.

hardly- Southern Dems left the party in droves over it.

 

[91Joe95]

In the civil rights movement Republicans and democrats actually were in agreement.

Well, the Republicans were.

 

[nits74]

hardly- Southern Dems left the party in droves over it.

Used to be referred to as the "Solid South". Voted Democratic consistently until such time as Barry Goldwater came along and opposed civil rights in 1964. That changed the dynamic, which still exists today.

 

[ao5884]

Well, the Republicans were.

As far as congressional members republican support was around 80% democratic around 64% so ide say both were in favor of the bill.

 

[ao5884]

hardly- Southern Dems left the party in droves over it.

The bill had more republican support than democratic.....shit the south didn't have a majority of democrats holding congressional seats until 1994.

 

[WDLion]

Used to be referred to as the "Solid South". Voted Democratic consistently until such time as Barry Goldwater came along and opposed civil rights in 1964. That changed the dynamic, which still exists today.

Well, the Republicans were.

Southerners of both parties opposed civil rights.

 

[WDLion]

Used to be referred to as the "Solid South". Voted Democratic consistently until such time as Barry Goldwater came along and opposed civil rights in 1964. That changed the dynamic, which still exists today.

They changed to Dems following the Civil War and then to Republicans during the civil rights era.

 

[ao5884]

They changed to Dems following the Civil War and then to Republicans during the civil rights era.

False. The south was democratic well before the civil. ...Jacksonian democrats i believe....could be wrong on the sub group. That's how lincoln got elected he only had 40 % of the popular vote thr democratic party was split over the issue of slavery and some other minor issues. After the passage of the 1964 c8vil rights act....1 senator flipped Strom Thurmond I believe.....the majority of southern congressional seats remained democratic for decades after the 64 CRA. 94 is when you see the flip.

 

[ao5884]

Southerners of both parties opposed civil rights.

I may be wrong here but white southern Republicans were a very small minority in the south were they not? I know Republicans began making inroads in some southern states in the 30s and 40s but still it was a small group.

 

[Nitt1300]

False. The south was democratic well before the civil. ...Jacksonian democrats i believe....could be wrong on the sub group. That's how lincoln got elected he only had 40 % of the popular vote thr democratic party was split over the issue of slavery and some other minor issues. After the passage of the 1964 c8vil rights act....1 senator flipped Strom Thurmond I believe.....the majority of southern congressional seats remained democratic for decades after the 64 CRA. 94 is when you see the flip.

The region went from voting solid D to solid R by 1970.

 

[heckmans]

hardly- Southern Dems left the party in droves over it.

This is incorrect. Let's not talk about politics, but let's talk about historical fact, because facts are important. The South didn't turn Red until the 80s and 90s as racial attitudes evolved. But please don't believe me. This southern black Vanderbilt professor does a much better job explaining.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

The FBI found the bodies of three murdered civil rights workers buried in a dam site in Mississippi.

A less known part of this well known incident is that the information leading to their recovery came from Gregory Scarpa, also known as the Grim Reaper, who was a capo in the Columbo crime family in New York. He kidnapped a KKK member who had been involved in the murders and convinced him to give up the location of the bodies.

And nobody was convicted until 2005. Total travesty

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Lou Reed’s greatest song (imho) references this killing. He’s directing this part of the song to Jesse Jackson who had just called NYC Hymietown:


“Oh Common Ground
is Common Ground a word or just a sound
Common Ground
remember those civil rights workers buried in the ground
If I ran for President
and once was a member of the Klan
wouldn't you call me on it
the way I call you on Farrakhan”

 

[lein]

Used to be referred to as the "Solid South". Voted Democratic consistently until such time as Barry Goldwater came along and opposed civil rights in 1964. That changed the dynamic, which still exists today.

So people like George Wallace died a Republican endorsing Gerald Ford in '76?

 

[WDLion]

False. The south was democratic well before the civil. ...Jacksonian democrats i believe....could be wrong on the sub group. That's how lincoln got elected he only had 40 % of the popular vote thr democratic party was split over the issue of slavery and some other minor issues. After the passage of the 1964 c8vil rights act....1 senator flipped Strom Thurmond I believe.....the majority of southern congressional seats remained democratic for decades after the 64 CRA. 94 is when you see the flip.

1954), it was Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat from Texas, who would eventually sign the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 into law.

Upon signing the former bill, Johnson reportedly told his aide Bill Moyers that “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.”

 

[ao5884]

The region went from voting solid D to solid R by 1970.

Look at election results....

The region went from voting solid D to solid R by 1970.

Nope...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

 

[ao5884]

The region went from voting solid D to solid R by 1970.

Scroll forward the change happens in 1994 and 1996

 

[ao5884]

1954), it was Lyndon B. Johnson, a Democrat from Texas, who would eventually sign the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 into law.

Upon signing the former bill, Johnson reportedly told his aide Bill Moyers that “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.”

Yet the democrats held their seats on the south for 30 years after it was signed....

 

[ao5884]

While your high level analysis is true it is misleading because the political parties of today are not the same political parties of 1964; i.e. ideologically polarized. The civil rights movement of the 60's played a significant role in initiating the polarization process that we have today.

But I suspect that you already know that and your real intent is to simply stir the pot.

No my intent is to show that the 1964 resulted in a party flip is a myth. The facts are the following the Civil rights the south remained democratic for 3 decades this is backed up by election results....i purposely used the house since it is more representative of the peopl. You can see the change happen in 1994. Guess what also happened that year....the contract with America.

 

[McCloudersportLion]

Dick Kuklinski knew how to deal with them good ol' boys ridin' up on ya...

 

[WDLion]

Yet the democrats held their seats on the south for 30 years after it was signed....

He was referring to the presidential election. In 68 Humphrey won one southern state, Texas. And it's been that way since then.

 

[WDLion]

Yet the democrats held their seats on the south for 30 years after it was signed....

Of course they did. They were anti civil rights democrats.

 

[ao5884]

He was referring to the presidential election. In 68 Humphrey won one southern state, Texas. And it's been that way since then.

No he said Johnson...was from Texas. And that Johnson thought he delivered the south to Republicans. But election results say otherwise.

 

[WDLion]

No he said Johnson...was from Texas. And that Johnson thought he delivered the south to Republicans. But election results say otherwise.

Not elections for president.

 

[ao5884]

Of course they did. They were anti civil rights democrats.

Yes. I know that's the point....the narrative is that that democrats flipped because of the CRA. Election results show thst the flip didnt happen until 94...30 years later.

Not elections for president.

The house of representatives is a more accurate indicator of the electorate. It isn't bound by the EC and provides more data points to examine. But ok ill bite lets look at the presidential elections in 72 nixon won 49 states in 76 Carter won all of the south except Virginia. In 80 reagan won 46 states and in 84 49 . In 88 Bush won the south so we figure ok the flip is here then comes clinton that took back 5 or 6 southern states. It looks like the republican victories were determined by concensus ..was the whole country fighting the CRA?

 

[91Joe95]

The region went from voting solid D to solid R by 1970.

This is factually incorrect.

 

[Nitt1300]

This is factually incorrect.

Name a Dem who won the southern vote for President from 1972 on other than Jimmy Carter