people thinking ? I will also say Cael Sanderson should not be on the seeding committee....We all know Tom Ryan is going to fight and argue even if his guy should be seeded lower. Now on the other hand Cael may make a comment and then leave it alone....Can't wait to see how the Ohio State wrestlers get seeded....Especially Martin who has several losses....
Tom Ryan : There is no way in Heck he should be on the seeding committee...What in the world are
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Tom Ryan is a sith lord. Once that is accepted the rest all makes sense.
This is so unfair not only to us but everyone else...If Cael was on the seeding committee which he would turn down i would be saying the same thing !!!! UNREAL why the NCAA lets him have influence on National seeds !!!!
Martin has 8 losses to be precise. He's lost to Dean twice, Brooks twice, Bo, Renda (unattached), Dechow and Zavatsky. IOW, he's lost to the #1, #2, #3, #4 and #9 ranked wrestlers as well as Renda wrestling unattached.
Martin is headed for a 6 seed and Ryan is going to be pissed off if Nickal gets the 2 seed. Which he will.
Won't happen. Sorenson has the split, and has the edge on the other parameters, and he's going down in the semi's either way. Collica will handle him easily.
Mayes is the guy he will need to edge out for the 3. I assume Jordan will be 4 and Sorensen 5
Didn't you just love how he came out and politic-ed about how he saw no reason why anybody should believe he's "conflicted" a full season before he even participates??? LMFAO, "thou doth protest too much Mr. Smith.".
Here's a link: OSU's Gene Smith says he can recuse himself when joining CFP committee
Notice how all the BS about "recusing himself" is about voting or talking about daO$U??? So let me get this straight, he will be able to act "unbiased" in regards to PSU (kind of like Herbie the Homer and Jim the Forever Douche Delany in regards to why PSU winning the B1G East Division, B1G Championship and having the absolute best B1G record didn't necessarily mean they were the best B1G team????). LMFAO - the charlatans and scumbags in this bush conference are amusing pieces of $hit if nothing else.
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You don't even want to know what his record was against "ranked wrestlers"...... Let's put it this way, that 16-16 looks off the charts stellar in comparison, LMFAO!
Tom Ryan is also forced to leave the room when he is discussed. So is Brian Smith when a Missouri wrestler is discussed, Billy Walker when an American wrestler is discussed, Valerie Richardson when a Virginia wrestler is discussed, and Brian Hill when an Air Force wrestler is discussed.
Recusal? What kind of lame excuse is that? People here want his head on a plate, doesn't he get that?
(sarcasm off)
By that standard, the committee should simply be a bunch of automatons.
The committee should be a computer with set criteria and the seeds auto populate based on clearly stated criteria. It doesn't matter if you leave the room when your guy is discussed if you still get to be present when the team you are trying to beat guys are discussed. Any competitive person would use this to gain an advantage. It would be the sole motivation for even wanting to be on this committee.
I've had Iowa fans try and tell me chuck yagla didn't show bias for hawkeye wrestlers when he would ref. It was so blatant it had to be just a little embarrassing for him. Bias is just hard to overcome for any human imo. Why not draw up a really comprehensive criteria and use it thus eliminating a committee altogether.
I've had Iowa fans try and tell me chuck yagla didn't show bias for hawkeye wrestlers when he would ref. It was so blatant it had to be just a little embarrassing for him. Bias is just hard to overcome for any human imo. Why not draw up a really comprehensive criteria and use it thus eliminating a committee altogether.
Good post SHP, and good humor E-J. Many don't know the process and only want to complain. Sure, there's a human factor, but only when there's toss-ups after the criteria is applied.
I contacted the CIA to get an early look at the seeds. Funny, they even had a transcript of the committee proceedings. Must be that Samsung TV.
Not only do the 9 tOSU wrestlers that were already selected have #1 seeds, but he also convinced the committee to re-think Jake not being selected. Nolf got bumped.
Not only do the 9 tOSU wrestlers that were already selected have #1 seeds, but he also convinced the committee to re-think Jake not being selected. Nolf got bumped.
Funny, I heard he got his son the 2 seed. Lobbied hard for the 1, but at least managed to keep his kid away from Kemerer -- and made Smith the 4.
Actually, there is a rather large difference between an AD and an active coach, especially in regards to how much time they have to devote to this kind of BS "in-season". Beyond that, just because the FBS Conferences with BCS-Equity who create the "Selection Committee" for their 4-Team Invitational Tournament (it is created by the BCS Presidential Advisory Committee - i.e., the Conference Commissioners of the P5 Conferences still holding BCS-Equity rights) - it is not a "playoff" in any way, shape or form - populate it with parties who are hopelessly biased and conflicted in favor of these conferences and their Commissioners' agendas, does not make it right or justified.
Why go to the "B" team? I bet the Russians have given the info to Wikileaks by now.
I'm not making excuses. I don't think Tom Ryan should be on the committee because he's Tom Ryan. You can see in this video how fair and impartial he is when arguing for his guys.
Does he also leave the room when they are discussing PSU and Iowa guys? More than one way to impact seeds.
Does he also leave the room when they are discussing PSU and Iowa guys? More than one way to impact seeds.
I agree with most of this, I doubt coaches can seed brackets for other kids without being impartial to making sure they can get the best draws for easier paths to semi/finals. However, like all things in life it's easy to spot the problem and gripe about it but how do you fix it? What are the better solutions? I would like to read thoughts on these questions. I will argue against the gene smith thing because it's not his influence why the committee tends to benefit Ohio state, it's the money that traveling fans bring into the bowls and local economies that osu consistently provides. Is that fair? No. But money talks in big time college sports.
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It is kind of silliy to make a point on a Penn State board that Ohio State deserves any consideration given them because of the number of fans and the money spent by said fans, when Penn State travels as well as any fan base in college football.
Not Ryan, nor Brands, nor Smith nor Cael should be on the seeding committee.
As far as leaving the room when Martin is discussed, he is there for Bo's conversation.
Or better yet. Anybody want to place a bet Ryan probably thought and articulated that thought that Joesph should probably be seeded 4th.
If there was any question of Nevills 3rd or 4th where do people think Ryan thought he should go.
Teams contenders do not need to have their coaches participating in the seeding process.
As far as how else could we run the seeding. If a coaches perspective is needed bring in a division II coach from a group of areas and give them a say.
As far as leaving the room when Martin is discussed, he is there for Bo's conversation.
Or better yet. Anybody want to place a bet Ryan probably thought and articulated that thought that Joesph should probably be seeded 4th.
If there was any question of Nevills 3rd or 4th where do people think Ryan thought he should go.
Teams contenders do not need to have their coaches participating in the seeding process.
As far as how else could we run the seeding. If a coaches perspective is needed bring in a division II coach from a group of areas and give them a say.
oh c'mon, BIG10 conference first, team second.
....then tanning beds and bus schedules.
oh c'mon, BIG10 conference first, team second.
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