Tommy Steves loses starting QB job at MSU... (article)

[GregInPitt]

The articlee alludes to Tommy not being fully healthy and the possibility of him getting the starting spot back when he is fully healthy. But with the season half over......

https://victorybellrings.com/2019/1...football-qb-tommy-stevens-loses-starting-job/

 

[rudedude]

A shame he has had an injury riddled career.

 

[Kiber]

Living down here in Atlanta, I get a ton of SEC talk on local radio. The talk down here is that this Shrader guy is the QB. I'm not sure if it's just "shock-jock" opening his pie-hole without any substance, or if the guy really knows something. But what I heard Monday was that the MSU locker-room is a bit split now because there are many in the MSU locker-room who felt that Shrader was the best QB on the roster but Stevens got the job because of his past relationship with JoMo. If that is the truth ... and I stress IF that is the truth ... then it can not be too comfortable of a situation for Stevens.

 

[dbsteel]

He is what what we thought he is......

 

[jmorovich]

Another MSU article. This one on JoeMo’s struggles in the SEC.

A couple nuggets in this one. Apparently Rutgers is interested in Moorhead and SEC fans are pure shit going after JoeMo’s daughter.

https://apple.news/Ag_sOnoTNOLqeCv8_3z7Ong

 

[Sproul]

Waiting for Tommy’s dad to chime in to let us know the real story...

 

[JWB389]

At this point in the season, I am pretty happy with the way things worked out for us. Glad we are not dealing with that mess. Sorry for Tommy, personally.

 

[mn78psu83]

Not a surprise with the injuries. It's not like Stevens is outplaying Shrader either. Note the rushing difference.

PASSING GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yards TD Long Avg/G


Garrett Shrader 5 128.8 45-78-2 57.7 590 3 47 118.0

Tommy Stevens 5 137.3 43-69-4 62.3 515 5 35 103.0


RUSHING GP Att Gain Loss Net Avg TD Long Avg/G

Garrett Shrader 5 59 439 65 374 6.3 2 49 74.8

Tommy Stevens 5 34 116 64 52 1.5 2 14 10.4

 

[cjrugger]

Let's try and remember this episode the next time James Franklin makes a personnel decision that the board football experts disagree with

 

[LionJim]

Let's try and remember this episode the next time James Franklin makes a personnel decision that the board football experts disagree with

There were only a handful of posters who were losing their shit over it. They were loud and persistent but only a small minority of the board, as I recall. Still, they should own up to it.

 

[dbsteel]

Injuries aside, Tommy Stevens should have went to some small school, tore it up, and rode off into the sunset. Thinking he was going to succeed in the SEC was a mistake.

 

[bwifan]

Shame he can't stay healthy .. same problem he had here. From the games I have seen if I am JoMo the freshmen plays the rest of the season. Who knows does JoMo end up at Rutgers next year? He has roots there...

 

[BobPSU92]

FIRE. FRANKLIN.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

The articlee alludes to Tommy not being fully healthy and the possibility of him getting the starting spot back when he is fully healthy. But with the season half over......

https://victorybellrings.com/2019/1...football-qb-tommy-stevens-loses-starting-job/

Stevens was a three star Indiana commit when we had to offer after being spurned by Wimbush. I don't know what his ceiling is/was, but I think playing along side talent at PSU made it appear higher than it was/is. He was a nice novelty when needed; happy he’s getting a shot somewhere.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I don't know many 6'5" running backs. To me the QB in JoMo's offense is just another running back who is supposed to maintain their passing ability after getting banged around. It's a system that leaves linemen unblocked. We'll see how long the next guy like this is able to last.

The mistake Tommy made was not going to a school that runs a pro-style system, where he could have excelled and prepared for the next level. Granted these systems are becoming harder to find, but imagine if Nate Stanley were to be the QB at MSU. I don't think he would last very long.

The NFL is having trouble finding good QBs because high schools and colleges are running these systems that use the QB as a running back. Consequently their passing skills are not being developed.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Injuries aside, Tommy Stevens should have went to some small school, tore it up, and rode off into the sunset. Thinking he was going to succeed in the SEC was a mistake.

Whoever told him to go to an SEC school, instead of a MAC or lower program, doomed him to this result. He did not have enough playing experience to just step in an avoid the growing pains a QB in a P5 conference faces.

 

[91Joe95]

He should have left last year and gotten two years in instead of one, regardless of where he went.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

He should have left last year and gotten two years in instead of one, regardless of where he went.

Or even the year before.

 

[PSU.:.]

I'm pretty certain Moorhead wasn't the offensive genius everyone thinks. He got lucky to coach one best rb and QB ever at PSU.

 

[LionDeNittany]

Injuries aside, Tommy Stevens should have went to some small school, tore it up, and rode off into the sunset. Thinking he was going to succeed in the SEC was a mistake.

Succeed in the SEC... and at MSU.

LdN

 

[Raffycorn]

I'm pretty certain Moorhead wasn't the offensive genius everyone thinks. He got lucky to coach one best rb and QB ever at PSU.

Eh, I don’t know about that. Moorhead was an objectively good playcaller for us and his offenses have been successful at a number of different schools.

That said, the narrative when he took the MSU job was a lot of talk about how “Moorhead’s offense” was responsible for our comeback in 2016-17. As it was, it seems as though Moorhead benefited just as much - if not more - from having the players Franklin recruited running his offense as Franklin benefited from having Moorhead’s offense to put his players into. I’ll take the players over the scheme every day of the week - and I think Penn State would beat MSU by more than a touchdown this season.

 

[marshall23]

There were only a handful of posters who were losing their shit over it. They were loud and persistent but only a small minority of the board, as I recall. Still, they should own up to it.

I did say that there is no way PSU is better without Tommy. I still believe that. If Clifford beat him out and got injured....I'd rather have Tommy right now than Levis. Acting like MSU is PSU talent is foolish. No idea what Steven's might have done if he stayed.

 

[NJPSU]

He should have left last year and gotten two years in instead of one, regardless of where he went.

He should have stayed here. There's a 90% chance he would have started the Idaho game.

 

[DandyDonII]

Tommy throws a beautiful ball. That being said, I think TE would have been a great position for him...

 

[BBrown]

Or even the year before.

Didn't he try and transfer? Nobody wanted him because of his injury.

 

[BrucePa]

Tommy throws a beautiful ball. That being said, I think TE would have been a great position for him...

I agree that TE would have been good for him, but I don't think that was planned or was likely to happen. I also think Lion was a good role for him -- BTW, has anyone played the Lion position so far this year? Is it still a thing?

 

[Chris92]

Say what you want, but Iowa was Tommy's bitch.

 

[roswelllion]

I don't know many 6'5" running backs. To me the QB in JoMo's offense is just another running back who is supposed to maintain their passing ability after getting banged around. It's a system that leaves linemen unblocked. We'll see how long the next guy like this is able to last.

The mistake Tommy made was not going to a school that runs a pro-style system, where he could have excelled and prepared for the next level. Granted these systems are becoming harder to find, but imagine if Nate Stanley were to be the QB at MSU. I don't think he would last very long.

The NFL is having trouble finding good QBs because high schools and colleges are running these systems that use the QB as a running back. Consequently their passing skills are not being developed.

I remember posting when it was only rumored TS would go to MSU that i thought it unlikely because
. he was always injury prone
. JoMo's offense is very tough on a QB
. SEC West is a tough [maybe the toughest] conference from a defensive standpoint.
IMO bad choice but tough for Tommy.

 

[danvillenit]

Stevens was a three star Indiana commit when we had to offer after being spurned by Wimbush. I don't know what his ceiling is/was, but I think playing along side talent at PSU made it appear higher than it was/is. He was a nice novelty when needed; happy he’s getting a shot somewhere.

Yea, I like Stevens but never understood how his upside got so elevated. Somehow running over an Iowa defender at the goal line made him a likely NFL QB

 

[BlueBand]

Yea, I like Stevens but never understood how his upside got so elevated. Somehow running over an Iowa defender at the goal line made him a likely NFL QB

He showed moxie. LOL

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Injuries aside, Tommy Stevens should have went to some small school, tore it up, and rode off into the sunset. Thinking he was going to succeed in the SEC was a mistake.

He wanted a chance to start. Can't begrudge him for that.

Here's hoping he heals and gets a chance to impress some NFL scouts. The kid was a solid, but not world-beating, prospect. He grew and matured and he's trying to make it in a very competitive field. He took his shot and he was competitive, maybe still will be.

We can all wish him the best, regardless of whether he clears the bar or falls short. He got his PSU degree. We are.

 

[Madsol]

I agree that TE would have been good for him, but I don't think that was planned or was likely to happen. I also think Lion was a good role for him -- BTW, has anyone played the Lion position so far this year? Is it still a thing?

Boy, I sure hope not. That was a made up position that they would often force to placate Stevens. Everytime he ran with the ball was a time Barkley or Sanders wasn't running with it. Everytime they threw him the ball was a time they weren't throwing it to Gesicki or Hamilton or Blacknall. Hope the Lion is dead.

 

[Howie'81]

He is what what we thought he is......

Loved Tommy while he was here, but I think it's clear now that he wouldn't have beat out Sean Clifford and I think Tommy knew it.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Yea, I like Stevens but never understood how his upside got so elevated. Somehow running over an Iowa defender at the goal line made him a likely NFL QB

Running over people is not why some said he had an NFL future. All that shows is strength and determination.

I thought he had a bright future because he is tall, strong, moves well, and throws accurately (at least when not injured or running for his life). To develop into a prototypical NFL passer, a Brady or Roethlisberger, requires time in a system to learn to read defenses and respond correctly. That is where Tommy never got a chance.

People are judging him unfairly. It's not much different than being critical of an injured freshman starter. No one develops as a QB sitting on the bench or playing a different position. That didn't help Michael Robinson develop into an NFL QB, and it certainly hasn't helped Stevens.

 

[acg116]

I'm pretty certain Moorhead wasn't the offensive genius everyone thinks. He got lucky to coach one best rb and QB ever at PSU.

also, currently the NFL's leading receiver...

 

[Sproul]

Injuries aside, Tommy Stevens should have went to some small school, tore it up, and rode off into the sunset. Thinking he was going to succeed in the SEC was a mistake.

He was Mr Football for the state of Indiana. He shouldn’t have gone to a small school, he had many offers for good schools.

 

[Woodpecker]

He wanted a chance to start.

Was he not given a chance at Penn State?

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Was he not given a chance at Penn State?

That's the hair you're splitting? Really?

Let's not take this any further. I'll just assume that as you ascended to greatness, nobody had to understand a tough decision you felt you needed to make along the way, whether right or wrong.

Best to you.

 

[Woodpecker]

That's the hair you're splitting? Really?

Let's not take this any further. I'll just assume that as you ascended to greatness, nobody had to understand a tough decision you felt you needed to make along the way, whether right or wrong.

Best to you.

OK, you lost me. Maybe I didn't understand your original statement or I simply assumed that you felt that he was not given what he wanted (a chance) at Penn State and that was the reason he moved on.
You then seem to project all sorts of things on me based on my question to you. I'm not sure what any of it has to do with me. As far as my feelings about Tommy's decision, yes, I think that it was a difficult one. Do I understand it? I think I do but I'm not sure if that is relevant. I don't begrudge him the decision but I don't feel that he did not get the chance to start at Penn State. It is my hope that he moved away for other reasons.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Running over people is not why some said he had an NFL future. All that shows is strength and determination.

I thought he had a bright future because he is tall, strong, moves well, and throws accurately (at least when not injured or running for his life). To develop into a prototypical NFL passer, a Brady or Roethlisberger, requires time in a system to learn to read defenses and respond correctly. That is where Tommy never got a chance.

People are judging him unfairly. It's not much different than being critical of an injured freshman starter. No one develops as a QB sitting on the bench or playing a different position. That didn't help Michael Robinson develop into an NFL QB, and it certainly hasn't helped Stevens.

Right.

Matt Cassel is the only notable guy (EDIT: modern QB) in my mind who really made it as an NFL QB after riding the pine in college. But that's one example on a very special team, running a pro set with a past (and now current) NFL HC during a string of Heisman trophies/candidates, etc. and all sorts of plus factors not applicable here. TS didn't have that roster, coach, or that pedigree or those starters ahead of him. TS needed to start, or felt he did. Trace and Clifford are great, but they're not Palmer and Leinart (or at least they're not regarded that way yet). He didn't get the job (at least by the time he'd left) and, right or wrong, wanted some assurance. Seeing Clifford and knowing TS was still hurt (again), it's hard to now say he should have stayed and waited his turn--AGAIN.

It was his decision. Yes. He had a chance and backup QB is OK unless you want more and think you can get it--and want more control over the glass ceiling above.

We can regret it but this judgy crap is just that. Crap.