Updated roster observations

[GregInPitt]

After practicing and playing some at Safety as a true freshman, reportedly due to the lack of depth at Safety, Belgrave-Shorter is now listed back at CB, the position he was reportedly recruited to play at PSU.

Transfer Enai White is listed at 6'5", 262, pretty much a clone of DDS size wise. Looking forward to seeing him healthy and practicing this Spring.

The true freshman Dayshaun Burnett is beginning his PSU career practicing at DE. There were indications he would grow out of his positional recruiting projected position of LB. Still interesting that the staff put him at DE from the word go.

DT Mupoyi after practicing at DT for over a year is still only 261 lbs, not exactly DT size

The true freshman DT Adirika is already 285 which could lead to him being physically ready to contribute in the Fall if he does well in the S&C and adjusts to the demands of the position at PSU, and he's needed.

The highly sought after 2024 class DT Andrews who redshirt in 2024 is still reportedly 275 lbs. Hope he can put on some additional muscle in the Winter S&C. Many here were expecting him to contribute early in his career as he reportedly had the ability to play either OL or DL in P4 football.

Arrington being listed at 200 lbs seems to have his work cut out for himself in the S&C to be ready to perform like a PSU #11......

 

[lazydave841]

I love these, but I wonder if everything is accurate roster wise save for the roster #s and info on the freshman?

Examples.

-read an article that Belgrave-Shorter was fully a S now and in Dex's room
-read Andrew's was up to 286 (*EDIT: "Standing 6-foot-4, he has bulked up from 257 pounds to 287 pounds through one year in State College." https://247sports.com/college/penn-...as-penn-state-practice-participant-245630629/)
-believe Mupoyi is a DE unless he's a DT now. If so, I'd expect him to put weight on this off season. Believe he was in the 230s when he arrived
-Burnett was always growing to an edge.

Official winter workouts haven't even began. I suspect the weight fluctuations will be updated after that.

 

[Delcolion915]

After practicing and playing some at Safety reportedly due to the lack of depth at Safety, Belgrave-Shorter is now listed at CB.

Transfer Enai White is listed at 6'5", 262, pretty much a clone of DDS size wise. Looking forward to seeing him healthy and practicing this Spring.

Dayshaun Burnett, true freshman DE is beginning his PSU career practicing at DE. There were indications he would grow out of his positional recruiting projected position of LB.

DT Mupoyi after practicing at DT for over a year is still only 261 lbs, not exactly DT size

The true freshman DT Adirika is already 285 which could lead to him being physically ready to contribute in the Fall if he does well in the S&C and adjusts to the demands of the position at PSU, and he's needed.

The redshirt and highly recruited DT Andres is still reportedly 275 lbs. Hope he can put on some additional muscle in the Winter S&C.

Arrington being listed at 200 lbs seems to have his work cut out for himself in the S&C to be ready to perform like a PSU #11......

Tony Rojas came in at 200 also

 

[GregInPitt]

Tony Rojas came in at 200 also

Yep, but Rojas played a lot of RB in high school and excelled at RB at a relatively light weight. Fortunately for PSU and Rojas, his body took to the rapid muscle gain effectively.

It seems stranger to me that Arrington, who would seem to have every opportunity and guidence (i.e. his father and as well as exposure to his fathers NFL friends) to train and who seemingly was a defensive player recruit wouldn't have already bulked up beyond 200 lbs. If he's really still 200 lbs it's possible that his metabolism may not allow him to follow a similar path as Rojas. Guess we'll find out somewhat when the B/W roster is posted.

 

[Delcolion915]

Yep, but Rojas played a lot of RB in high school and excelled at RB at a relatively light weight. Fortunately for PSU and Rojas, his body took to the rapid muscle gain effectively.

It seems stranger to me that Arrington, who would seem to have every opportunity and guidence (i.e. his father and as well as exposure to his fathers NFL friends) to train and who seemingly was a defensive player recruit wouldn't have already bulked up beyond 200 lbs. If he's really still 200 lbs it's possible that his metabolism may not allow him to follow a similar path as Rojas. Guess we'll find out somewhat when the B/W roster is posted.

This is a world class weight and nutrition program. He will get to 220 this fall. Relax.

 

[GregInPitt]

This is a world class weight and nutrition program. He will get to 220 this fall. Relax.

Talking about what the roster shows has nothing to do with relaxing for me and we all know that PSU's S&C program gives results. Relax or whatever, it's just discussion for me.

But with LA his father my comment was that he likely was exposed to a better S&C program during his high school days than Rojas was, but yet supposedly his frame is larger than Rojas and he enrolled at a similar weight, which seems odd to me.

 

[Obliviax]

Talking about what the roster shows has nothing to do with relaxing for me and we all know that PSU's S&C program gives results. Relax or whatever, it's just discussion for me.

But with LA his father my comment was that he likely was exposed to a better S&C program during his high school days than Rojas was, but yet supposedly his frame is larger than Rojas and he enrolled at a similar weight, which seems odd to me.

I just read that he broke his school record in the 100m at 10.75. Yikes. Looks like he is only 17 or 18 years old. He is 6-3 and can easily carry 25 more lbs. Not sure why he's listed as 200 as a lot of sites still have him at 215 or 225. We'll see. But he appears to be on heck of an athlete. If he has the instincts to approach his father's, he'll be a good one.

 

[ryoder1]

I just read that he broke his school record in the 100m at 10.75. Yikes. Looks like he is only 17 or 18 years old. He is 6-3 and can easily carry 25 more lbs. Not sure why he's listed as 200 as a lot of sites still have him at 215 or 225. We'll see. But he appears to be on heck of an athlete. If he has the instincts to approach his father's, he'll be a good one.

His official PR in the 100 meter is 11.18 recorded last April. Not bad at all, solid speed. For perspective the elite HS sprinters in California are around that 10.2-10.3 range. Not sure where the 10.75 came from. Nevertheless he does need to bulk up if he is only 200lbs but maintain speed.

 

[GregInPitt]

Yep, but it seems that 100 meter speed is not exactly what determines success as a DE, or even LB for the most part. If a LB has to run down a ball carrier for even 40 yards that seems to be problem for a defense.

I wonder what Carter's 100 m speed is, but he has the elite first step and 5-10 yard burst which is more what seems to be needed at DE for the most part. But it sure doesn't hurt to have sustained longer run speed either....

 

[Obliviax]

Yep, but it seems that 100 meter speed is not exactly what determines success as a DE, or even LB. I wonder what Carter's 100 m speed is, but he has the elite first step and 5-10 yard burst which is more what is needed at DE for the most part. But it sure doesn't hurt to have sustained longer run speed either....

Agree and disagree. for a LBer, you need to cover a lot of ground against the run and in-pass coverage. In addition, you aren't going to have a great 100 if you can't get out of the blocks. So a time and that size suggests his acceleration is good to great.

But I really brought it up to suggest that he may not have wanted to gain weight until he got through all of his HS sports. That gaining weight in HS at his size probably was not a priority. As someone else stated, Rojas was ~ 200 lbs at this point as well.

I don't think he'll be playing DE in the next two years, if ever. He'd have to get up to 240 or so.

 

[Ward Hog]

Gaining weight or muscle mass can be exceedingly difficult for a kid who is still growing. The metabolism won't allow it. Some kids stop at 12 and others continue to grow until they're 20. However, once they stop, weight can usually be added quickly. However, not everyone can add weight no matter what efforts they make. We've seen guys come in at 255 for OL and graduate 4 years later at 265 having never been able to add enough weight to play.

I remember the Eagles picking up all-pro guard Ron Solt from the Colts in the late 80's when drug testing for steroids was just beginning. Solt played at about 285 - 290 for the Colts and was considered a steal for the Eagles. When he arrived at the Eagles he was about 265 and steadily dropped weight during practice and the season until he was well under 250. He could not hold weight without the steroids. Some guys, even big ones, just cannot maintain.

 

[demlion]

Gaining weight or muscle mass can be exceedingly difficult for a kid who is still growing. The metabolism won't allow it. Some kids stop at 12 and others continue to grow until they're 20. However, once they stop, weight can usually be added quickly. However, not everyone can add weight no matter what efforts they make. We've seen guys come in at 255 for OL and graduate 4 years later at 265 having never been able to add enough weight to play.

I remember the Eagles picking up all-pro guard Ron Solt from the Colts in the late 80's when drug testing for steroids was just beginning. Solt played at about 285 - 290 for the Colts and was considered a steal for the Eagles. When he arrived at the Eagles he was about 265 and steadily dropped weight during practice and the season until he was well under 250. He could not hold weight without the steroids. Some guys, even big ones, just cannot maintain.

Pretty sure if gaining weight is the struggle, that I could school him up. Not saying he, his coaches or the fans would be happy about his body shape by the end.

 

[bdroc]

Pretty sure if gaining weight is the struggle, that I could school him up. Not saying he, his coaches or the fans would be happy about his body shape by the end.

I've gained 25 lbs since graduating from college but that took several decades of commitment. I don't think these kids have that long.

 

[demlion]

I've gained 25 lbs since graduating from college but that took several decades of commitment. I don't think these kids have that long.

If he needs to gain 20 lbs he should come and hang at my house from Thanksgiving to Christmas.

 

[Ward Hog]

Pretty sure if gaining weight is the struggle, that I could school him up. Not saying he, his coaches or the fans would be happy about his body shape by the end.

I started college in August at 180 lbs and came home for Christmas at 225 lbs. Thus, I have similar expertise in weight gain as you. I learned that the key to success in weight gain is using the lighter 16oz weights in very high repetition. I took no days off for recovery or rest and it worked like a charm. I also didn't allow class or schoolwork to get in the way of my workouts. I was so successful and committed to lifting that I nearly lost my amateur status and was very close to not being allowed to continue my endeavors for the spring semester.

 

[bdroc]

If he needs to gain 20 lbs he should come and hang at my house from Thanksgiving to Christmas.

To make matters worse I've also lost 2" of height. Thank goodness for relaxed fit trousers and extra wide shoes.

 

[Roar More]

To make matters worse I've also lost 2" of height. Thank goodness for relaxed fit trousers and extra wide shoes.

The real secret is sweat pants.

 

[PurposePitch]

After practicing and playing some at Safety reportedly due to the lack of depth at Safety, Belgrave-Shorter is now listed at CB.

Transfer Enai White is listed at 6'5", 262, pretty much a clone of DDS size wise. Looking forward to seeing him healthy and practicing this Spring.

Dayshaun Burnett, true freshman DE is beginning his PSU career practicing at DE. There were indications he would grow out of his positional recruiting projected position of LB.

DT Mupoyi after practicing at DT for over a year is still only 261 lbs, not exactly DT size

The true freshman DT Adirika is already 285 which could lead to him being physically ready to contribute in the Fall if he does well in the S&C and adjusts to the demands of the position at PSU, and he's needed.

The redshirt and highly recruited DT Andrews is still reportedly 275 lbs. Hope he can put on some additional muscle in the Winter S&C. Many here were expecting him to contribute early in his career as he reportedly had the ability to play either OL or DL in P4 football.

Arrington being listed at 200 lbs seems to have his work cut out for himself in the S&C to be ready to perform like a PSU #11......

I tried to tell folks that Andrews at DT didn't seem right. Guy has chicken legs (for that size). It made more sense for him to slim down than try to bulk up. And he even tore a pec trying to get bigger/stronger. Maybe he'll get there, but it didn't really make sense. I'd slim him down and put him on the edge.

 

[KCLion]

To make matters worse I've also lost 2" of height. Thank goodness for relaxed fit trousers and extra wide shoes.

I absolutely HATE the relaxed fit trousers and “stretch jeans”.

 

[lazydave841]

Maybe he'll get there, but it didn't really make sense.

FWIW, he's up to 287 now according to his latest interview (no picture included).

 

[ryoder1]

I gotta believe by fall camp Arrington could be at least 215. Does he have a 40 time? Based off his 100 time I would think he is around a 4.5 40 guy.

 

[lazydave841]

Love the LA2 talk, but does anybody think he sees the field in '25? He'd likely have to be very good or injury bug hits very bad.

Personally, his weight today is irrelevant. We aren't expecting him to play significant snaps. Let the staff do work and reassess in spring of '26.

 

[PSU20]

Most of the weights for the veterans appear to be from last year. Noticed that Smith-Vibert is listed. Is he coming back? hope so. Vanover was turned down for another year IIRC and is not listed.

 

[bdroc]

The real secret is sweat pants.

Pro tip

 

[ryoder1]

Love the LA2 talk, but does anybody think he sees the field in '25? He'd likely have to be very good or injury bug hits very bad.

Personally, his weight today is irrelevant. We aren't expecting him to play significant snaps. Let the staff do work and reassess in spring of '26.

You are absolutely correct. We should not need him in '25. Concern is why is he not bigger at this stage but to your point he has a lot of time to build muscle/bulk. He needs to maintain his speed too.

 

[GregInPitt]

Most of the weights for the veterans appear to be from last year. Noticed that Smith-Vibert is listed. Is he coming back? hope so. Vanover was turned down for another year IIRC and is not listed.

Yes, Vilbert was reportedly granted a 7th year due to multiple whole years missed due to injury.

I hope he can slim down some over the off season, regain some quickness, and be more of a force as a DE in the pass rush. When he got 3 sacks in the bowl game some years ago he was lighter, but then he bulked up and was slated to play more of a 3 tech DT role before moving back to DE for 2024 when he was healthy.

 

[PSU20]

Yes, Vilbert was reportedly granted a 7th year due to multiple whole years missed due to injury.

I hope he can slim down some over the off season, regain some quickness, and be more of a force as a DE in the pass rush. When he got 3 sacks in the bowl game some years ago he was lighter, but then he bulked up and was slated to play more of a 3 tech DT role before moving back to DE for 2024 when he was healthy.

Wasn't he suspended for a year? Might be when he put on the extra pounds.

 

[NittanyPirate]

Gaining weight isn’t hard, says I.

 

[demlion]

The real secret is sweat pants.

...Or pajama bottoms. The Walmart uniform!

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

First it was sweat pants, then pajama pants, now it's these really wide-legged pants. Having 2 teens in high school, I've seen it all. In a few years, it'll be back to skin tight jeans.

 

[87 Penn St8]

I've gained 25 lbs since graduating from college but that took several decades of commitment. I don't think these kids have that long.

I've gained 75.....graduated at 6'3 155.....way, way too thin....some called me White Ethiopian.

My dad was 6'5 235. I've got scoliosis so the other 2 inches is in the S curve. Combo of aging and metabolism slowing down.

During Covid I was down to 218- but I was working in my yard every day doing physical labor. That is a target weight down the line...