Why do they give this jerk a forum on national TV?
You may not like him personally, nor do I, but he is insightful and knows football. A few weeks ago he was on a pregame show explaining offensive line play, it was fascinating, no question he knows football. In spite of baggage, you probably would take him as your coach.Why do they give this jerk a forum on national TV?
Would not take him.You may not like him personally, nor do I, but he is insightful and knows football. A few weeks ago he was on a pregame show explaining offensive line play, it was fascinating, no question he knows football. In spite of baggage, you probably would take him as your coach.
ehhh...how many colleges have actually fired him?even places that are crazy about winning seem to send him packing. too many red flags
I’m with you on thatWould not take him.
Don't get me wrong--his teams at Florida included some of the worst human being to ever play the sport but the man does win. Winning typically overrides anything unless you have to go due to sanctionswe don't know. Nobody can say zero and have any confidence that it is true.
Fair enough--I'd take Urban in a second because he would dominate recruiting in NY, PA, MD and VA plus add top kids from places like Florida and Texas. He'd take us to another level and then whomever follows just has to sustain it. Easier said than done but easier than getting there.it does not override everything because there are multiple people who win and do not seem to be lowlifes. I'd much rather have someone like Day, who also wins. Would not want PSU to waste its time and money helping Urban do whatever he does.
Do we basically dominate them? I feel like we don't get the top guys other than for 2022 especially in PA.He would., but we already basically dominate recruiting in those places. Any coach who wins at a very high level would dominate recruiting in the region
You all know this as well as I do, but Urb has always liked Penn State as a destination and there was a lot of talk about him replacing Joe at one point. (until of course the stuff blew up in 2011).Fair enough--I'd take Urban in a second because he would dominate recruiting in NY, PA, MD and VA plus add top kids from places like Florida and Texas. He'd take us to another level and then whomever follows just has to sustain it. Easier said than done but easier than getting there.
Rhule's honestly my nightmare lolYou all know this as well as I do, but Urb has always liked Penn State as a destination and there was a lot of talk about him replacing Joe at one point. (until of course the stuff blew up in 2011).
But if Franklin left, wouldn't your administration immediately hire Rhule? I think he'd be fantastic.
Urb is one of the best ever, no doubt. He has some character flaws to say the least. But that dude turns programs around and builds contenders as well as anybody I've ever seen. I love Ryan Day as a person far, far more. But I'll admit that I miss the toughness and edge we had with Urb's teams.
To be clear, I never said it was a done deal. Only that when Meyer was getting the itch to come back -- during the 2011 season -- Penn State would have been an attractive option had Joe announced his retirement earlier and worked to find an eventual replacement. But once it was clear that OSU wasn't retaining Fickell, that was the #1 job on Urb's checklist.I don't think they would automatically hire Rhule.
Also this legend about how Urban was a done deal to PSU until things went south is getting old. If it was such a done deal, where was he? I don't buy it, and, even James Franklin was able to win the Big Ten within 5 years of that situation.
To be clear, I never said it was a done deal. Only that when Meyer was getting the itch to come back -- during the 2011 season -- Penn State would have been an attractive option had Joe announced his retirement earlier and worked to find an eventual replacement. But once it was clear that OSU wasn't retaining Fickell, that was the #1 job on Urb's checklist.
Point being, PSU is a job that Urb really respects and could be tempted to take if available. Other than OSU (if Day bolts for the NFL), the jobs I could see him considering would be Notre Dame, Penn State, and Texas. That is of course if he comes back to coaching. Not saying those schools would actually want him after the Jacksonville fiasco.
The Texas job was available and I believe UT and Meyer couldn't come to some sort of initial agreement and they went with Sarkisian.To be clear, I never said it was a done deal. Only that when Meyer was getting the itch to come back -- during the 2011 season -- Penn State would have been an attractive option had Joe announced his retirement earlier and worked to find an eventual replacement. But once it was clear that OSU wasn't retaining Fickell, that was the #1 job on Urb's checklist.
Point being, PSU is a job that Urb really respects and could be tempted to take if available. Other than OSU (if Day bolts for the NFL), the jobs I could see him considering would be Notre Dame, Penn State, and Texas. That is of course if he comes back to coaching. Not saying those schools would actually want him after the Jacksonville fiasco.
Not sure Day would have success if it wasn't for Urban setting up the program? Doubt it.....it does not override everything because there are multiple people who win and do not seem to be lowlifes. I'd much rather have someone like Day, who also wins. Would not want PSU to waste its time and money helping Urban do whatever he does.
He's great at winning college football games, no doubt. But as a fan, is it so important to you that your team wins that you would want him representing your school? Thankfully, there are still a few fans (a minority perhaps) who still think that things such as character and moral standing help define us.Urban is a winner, like him or not!
Would take him in a heart beat…this crap is getting old!Would not take him.
Something like 16 of the 22 starters on the championship team were drafted by the NFL. Extremely talented team. Check out 01,02 and particularly 03 buckeyes who played as sophomores.And won it with a team that had no business winning an NC
Joe Paterno hand picked him as successor. How is that for moral character?He's great at winning college football games, no doubt. But as a fan, is it so important to you that your team wins that you would want him representing your school? Thankfully, there are still a few fans (a minority perhaps) who still think that things such as character and moral standing help define us.
Add Ohio to that list.Fair enough--I'd take Urban in a second because he would dominate recruiting in NY, PA, MD and VA plus add top kids from places like Florida and Texas. He'd take us to another level and then whomever follows just has to sustain it. Easier said than done but easier than getting there.
Who Joe Paterno hand picked to succeed him.He's an amoral douchebag ...
Joe Paterno also hired Jerry Sandusky. Even the wisest of men can't always predict what kind of person someone will reveal himself to be.Joe Paterno hand picked him as successor. How is that for moral character?
Literally no one cares about that video--no one if he can win gamesUrban wouldn't get hired at any respectable school after that video of him with that girl at the club. OSU basically told him to retire after they determined he was covering up for the wr coach, so OSU wouldn't hire him if Day left for the NFL.
Why does that matter?He's an amoral douchebag ...
True but the concern with Meyer isn't his coaching, right? It's him "morality" which supposedly Paterno is the expert onJoe also hired an offensive staff consisting of Galen Hall, his own son, and Mike McQuery
and did nothing about it when we lost games only because they were bad at their jobs
We have had far worse people as popes as wellWhy does that matter?
He's an analyst or a football coach not the pope. We have far worse people we elect to run the country on both sides.
Oh completely agreed but Urban, at the time, was the best or second best coach in college football. Hard to argue with wanting him as the next guy if you ignore the morality nonsense.i'm just responding to the idea that joe picking his successor has some deep meaning. Joe was barely even running the program at the end. Bradley, Vanderlinden and Johnson were holding the whole thing together with tape and bubble gum
Yeah, Schiano seems the most plausible to me as well with Cowher or Dungy seeming the least likely. Meyer does make sense though--so did Spurrieryes but i don't know if i believe it
we heard a lot of weird stuff about his successor in the last decade, including Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher visiting Tim Curley's home, Rick Neuheisel, and Steve Spurrier. I think almost all of it was made up or had only a tiny, tiny amount of truth
the only one i believe is that Spanier wanted to go to Schiano around the mid 2000s. that one actually seems plausible
I could have respected your opinion if you had said most people or not many people. When you say "literally no one", it shows you're very out of touch with reality.Literally no one cares about that video--no one if he can win games
It's very, very sad if you think moral standing shouldn't matter in choosing a college football coach. Culture could end up being the downfall of this country.Why does that matter?
He's an analyst or a football coach not the pope. We have far worse people we elect to run the country on both sides.
No one in a decision-making role if you prefer. I don't care if you or I care about it. Those that hire do so to win.I could have respected your opinion if you had said most people or not many people. When you say "literally no one", it shows you're very out of touch with reality.
It shouldn't matter and it doesn't. I would get into the culture discussion with you but that seems like a test board discussion.It's very, very sad if you think moral standing shouldn't matter in choosing a college football coach. Culture could end up being the downfall of this country.
No, why does it matter?dude what are you talking about, it doesn't matter at all?