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It is downright frightening that this article would be taken down. This kind of censorship is downright un-American.

I think it is getting clearer to even the science deniers - this is indeed the China virus.
Tom is a real punk. I have no respect for the guy.

He says no politics and then posts positively about Hannah Nicole Jones.
 
So you are for a mandate for folks that fall into your categories? Locally numerous 40, 50, and 60 year old unvaxxed folks have swirled and booted. One of my neighbors was 56, also healthy from what I understand.
The point is he really has zero knowledge to make his medical "advice". What normal person would go around saying...yeah, you don't need to listen to your own doctors, trust me. The sheer level of arrogance to make these claims with no real medical background is pretty astonishing, but it's normalized online. Could you imagine if someone walked up to you and said, don't get the shot if you are under 40 and healthy....what do you do....I'm a retired electrician. People love to die on stupid hills they create for themselves.....so he can go on thinking he knows something, but I know he is completely FOS. So does anyone with a brain. It's more intelligent to say I don't know more than the doctors than to pretend you do....but here we are.
 
Last comment then i think i will take a pass on any dialogue with you. You talk about moving goal posts. you are the classic. You read something you disagree with and then suggest that person is the extreme. Let's see who is really moving the posts
. My original comment was if you are under 40 and healthy I am "not sure" if a vaccine makes sense. Everyone else should be vaxxed and if you are over 60 should be boosted. I also said I was vaxxed and boosted. You immediately called me an anti vaxxer. I'll let anyone else reading this decide who moved the goal posts.
. Then you asked how I arrived at my conclusions. I provided data from CDC and Statistica to show you how I arrived at my conclusion. [less than 2.5% of deaths were under 40 and clearly some of them were unhealthy and or had been vaxxed] I did make the leap that the general relationship between hospitalization and death is reasonably consistent across age groups. Then you went off on the unvaxxed filling up the hospitals. I never disputed that. The only people I ever questioned were the under 40 healthy individuals who are unvaxxed and in the hospital because of Covid . If that is the group filling up hospitals I will admit I am wrong. Again going from a very small subset of folks to all unvaxxed is you moving the goal posts.
. Then you suggest I am giving advice. My only comment ever in this thread was "I am not so sure" moving goalposts?
. Finally when all else fails you launch into the ad hominon attacks. FTR you probably watch Tucker more than I do. I probably watch Tucker less then 4 times PER MONTH and I couldn't begin to tell you his feelings on vaccines
Ok Doc, where did you do your "research" again? Listen to real Doctors and stop giving medical advice....somehow that offends you as well as others or you actually think you know more than they do. Telling people to listen to their own Doctors during a pandemic is not what we should do apparently. Listen to random people on the internet saying I think or I read....it's Murica in 2022. Sorry buddy, you're talking out your arse here, but your pride won't let you admit it.
 
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It is downright frightening that this article would be taken down. This kind of censorship is downright un-American.

I think it is getting clearer to even the science deniers - this is indeed the China virus.
That isn't censorship. They are a privately owned business and Tom wouldn't have let that stand here. They would have moved it to the Test board here as he doesn't want that stuff on his board. People may not like his decisions, but you can still access that article directly. On3 isn't a government entity blocking you from a right wing paper, it's a board where they just want to keep it light. It's their site, their rules.

Just look at the topics being discussed on the link below. People aren't going there for that stuff....and honestly it's not an awful thing either IMO. I wouldn't post this Covid BS there or other political BS because I can respect their wishes. Here, they are new guys running the site and will basically take any click they want which is smart for them from a business standpoint. So it's not really censorship, it's a personal business decision.

 
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More stuff that you just see out there and people run with it like they themselves were doing the studies. Gee imagine that, people taking a clip of what someone said, completely misinterpreting it, and then spreading it. It's almost like there is a misinformation war out there.....nahhhh.


The claims, based on an edited clip of a TV interview, misrepresent what she said.

She was referring to a study that involved vaccinated individuals only, and said over 75% of deaths in that group involved individuals who had multiple other diseases and conditions. She cited the statistic as evidence that the vaccines were effective in preventing severe disease.

We rate this False.
 
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The point is he really has zero knowledge to make his medical "advice". What normal person would go around saying...yeah, you don't need to listen to your own doctors, trust me. The sheer level of arrogance to make these claims with no real medical background is pretty astonishing, but it's normalized online. Could you imagine if someone walked up to you and said, don't get the shot if you are under 40 and healthy....what do you do....I'm a retired electrician. People love to die on stupid hills they create for themselves.....so he can go on thinking he knows something, but I know he is completely FOS. So does anyone with a brain. It's more intelligent to say I don't know more than the doctors than to pretend you do....but here we are.
I guarantee you I've gotten more right about this virus than your doctor did.

Seriously, it's not even disputable. Your average doctor can't figure out much about a pandemic for himself.

Your average doctor supported the government line because he did not have the ability to do anything else.

On masks, your average doctor/nurse was saying that masks really helped. I said that only N95 masks helped to any significant degree (yes, a cloth mask must be better than zero, but what sort of idiot doesn't know that?). Now, your "approved medical sources of information" are saying I was right. Period.

As soon as it became obvious that the vaccine was "leaky", I was clear that "everyone" is going to get Covid since the R0 is somewhere between 6 and 10, it is only a question of the date. Your "medical professional" was on TV telling people that if you get vaxxed, you stop the pandemic. I was right. Period.

Yes, some on this board have been about finding a reason to not get a vaccine shot regardless of age. That's just wrong. Even though it still spreads, there's very little question that it helps reduce the severity of the disease. For every person on this board that tried to argue against vaccines for the adult population, 10 of us were saying "No, that's wrong, get the vaxx".

The idea that children need the vaxx, as suggested by "approved medical sources" is just laughable. Once we knew, back in the summer, that everyone was going to get Covid, there was no reason to vaccinate children. Now, can they get the vaxx if they want it? Sure. Almost surely there will be no consequences. I was right. Period.

Stupid sheeple are STILL parroting the company line, but haven't any ability to question things on their own. Only a sheeple doesn't say, "If the vaccine is stopping the spread, then why do all the Pittsburgh Penguins have Covid"? Some idiots then ask, "Yeah, but did any of them get seriously sick?" Wow, insightful. As if any cardiovascular machine like a pro hockey player in his 20s is going to need hospitalized for Covid (regardless of vaxxed or not).

You don't have a scientific bone in your body. I'm guessing the toughest math course you ever passed was algebra II.
 
That isn't censorship. They are a privately owned business and Tom wouldn't have let that stand here. They would have moved it to the Test board here as he doesn't want that stuff on his board. People may not like his decisions, but you can still access that article directly. On3 isn't a government entity blocking you from a right wing paper, it's a board where they just want to keep it light. It's their site, their rules.

Just look at the topics being discussed on the link below. People aren't going there for that stuff....and honestly it's not an awful thing either IMO. I wouldn't post this Covid BS there or other political BS because I can respect their wishes. Here, they are new guys running the site and will basically take any click they want which is smart for them from a business standpoint. So it's not really censorship, it's a personal business decision.

Tom is a vajajay. He wants "no politics" but posts about Hannah Nicole Jones, or whatever that moron's name is.

Yeah, Tom wants no politics.

Tom is a complete piece of garbage.
 
1. Of course this thing was man made and accidentally got out of the lab.
2. They need to stop selling the shot as a vaccine and start selling it as a preemptive therapeutic. Take it and you won't get AS SICK but you could still feel bad AND pass it on.
3. The new variant is basically the beginning of the end.
A. the worse the Presidents approval rating gets the more they will do anything to make it go away. Three card monte at its best.
B. The virus is infecting every single thing in the world and it isn't going to have anything to infect by mid February.
C. It is the only thing the Democrats can hope to hang their head on. The rest of the rest year has been a disaster.
4. You will start to see the media talk about deaths, not cases.
 
Saw my PCP yesterday. March 2021 I came down with Covid-19. It knocked me on my butt for about 10 days. Never went after my lungs. Bad migraine like headaches, chills, fever for 2 days, aches, and lost taste for 12 hours. In July 2021 I tested positive for antibodies. So yesterday I asked to be tested again. 10 months after infection I just tested positive for antibodies. Absolutely maddening that CDC isn’t tracking natural immunity.
 
The point is he really has zero knowledge to make his medical "advice". What normal person would go around saying...yeah, you don't need to listen to your own doctors, trust me. The sheer level of arrogance to make these claims with no real medical background is pretty astonishing, but it's normalized online. Could you imagine if someone walked up to you and said, don't get the shot if you are under 40 and healthy....what do you do....I'm a retired electrician. People love to die on stupid hills they create for themselves.....so he can go on thinking he knows something, but I know he is completely FOS. So does anyone with a brain. It's more intelligent to say I don't know more than the doctors than to pretend you do....but here we are.
What about listening to a doctor from Harvard? Or Stanford? Or Johns Hopkins? Or many, many more?

My sister saved my sister in-law recently. SIL sees several specialists for some complex medical issues. SIL was severely overdosed and was going downhill fast. Sister and her husband stepped in, cut her medicines in half, and SIL rebounded nicely. And sister has no....zero...zilch....nada......medical background.
 
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Last comment then i think i will take a pass on any dialogue with you. You talk about moving goal posts. you are the classic. You read something you disagree with and then suggest that person is the extreme. Let's see who is really moving the posts
. My original comment was if you are under 40 and healthy I am "not sure" if a vaccine makes sense. Everyone else should be vaxxed and if you are over 60 should be boosted. I also said I was vaxxed and boosted. You immediately called me an anti vaxxer. I'll let anyone else reading this decide who moved the goal posts.
. Then you asked how I arrived at my conclusions. I provided data from CDC and Statistica to show you how I arrived at my conclusion. [less than 2.5% of deaths were under 40 and clearly some of them were unhealthy and or had been vaxxed] I did make the leap that the general relationship between hospitalization and death is reasonably consistent across age groups. Then you went off on the unvaxxed filling up the hospitals. I never disputed that. The only people I ever questioned were the under 40 healthy individuals who are unvaxxed and in the hospital because of Covid . If that is the group filling up hospitals I will admit I am wrong. Again going from a very small subset of folks to all unvaxxed is you moving the goal posts.
. Then you suggest I am giving advice. My only comment ever in this thread was "I am not so sure" moving goalposts?
. Finally when all else fails you launch into the ad hominon attacks. FTR you probably watch Tucker more than I do. I probably watch Tucker less then 4 times PER MONTH and I couldn't begin to tell you his feelings on vaccines
I put that radical far left lunatic on ignore long ago. He’s obviously been living in the land of fruits and nuts for far too long. There is no middle ground debating that dude, or presumably a dude 🤔🤷‍♂️
 
Last comment then i think i will take a pass on any dialogue with you. You talk about moving goal posts. you are the classic. You read something you disagree with and then suggest that person is the extreme. Let's see who is really moving the posts
. My original comment was if you are under 40 and healthy I am "not sure" if a vaccine makes sense. Everyone else should be vaxxed and if you are over 60 should be boosted. I also said I was vaxxed and boosted. You immediately called me an anti vaxxer. I'll let anyone else reading this decide who moved the goal posts.
. Then you asked how I arrived at my conclusions. I provided data from CDC and Statistica to show you how I arrived at my conclusion. [less than 2.5% of deaths were under 40 and clearly some of them were unhealthy and or had been vaxxed] I did make the leap that the general relationship between hospitalization and death is reasonably consistent across age groups. Then you went off on the unvaxxed filling up the hospitals. I never disputed that. The only people I ever questioned were the under 40 healthy individuals who are unvaxxed and in the hospital because of Covid . If that is the group filling up hospitals I will admit I am wrong. Again going from a very small subset of folks to all unvaxxed is you moving the goal posts.
. Then you suggest I am giving advice. My only comment ever in this thread was "I am not so sure" moving goalposts?
. Finally when all else fails you launch into the ad hominon attacks. FTR you probably watch Tucker more than I do. I probably watch Tucker less then 4 times PER MONTH and I couldn't begin to tell you his feelings on vaccines
Not taking up any dialogue with that "expert"- good move, trust me.
 
I guarantee you I've gotten more right about this virus than your doctor did.

Seriously, it's not even disputable. Your average doctor can't figure out much about a pandemic for himself.

Your average doctor supported the government line because he did not have the ability to do anything else.

On masks, your average doctor/nurse was saying that masks really helped. I said that only N95 masks helped to any significant degree (yes, a cloth mask must be better than zero, but what sort of idiot doesn't know that?). Now, your "approved medical sources of information" are saying I was right. Period.

As soon as it became obvious that the vaccine was "leaky", I was clear that "everyone" is going to get Covid since the R0 is somewhere between 6 and 10, it is only a question of the date. Your "medical professional" was on TV telling people that if you get vaxxed, you stop the pandemic. I was right. Period.

Yes, some on this board have been about finding a reason to not get a vaccine shot regardless of age. That's just wrong. Even though it still spreads, there's very little question that it helps reduce the severity of the disease. For every person on this board that tried to argue against vaccines for the adult population, 10 of us were saying "No, that's wrong, get the vaxx".

The idea that children need the vaxx, as suggested by "approved medical sources" is just laughable. Once we knew, back in the summer, that everyone was going to get Covid, there was no reason to vaccinate children. Now, can they get the vaxx if they want it? Sure. Almost surely there will be no consequences. I was right. Period.

Stupid sheeple are STILL parroting the company line, but haven't any ability to question things on their own. Only a sheeple doesn't say, "If the vaccine is stopping the spread, then why do all the Pittsburgh Penguins have Covid"? Some idiots then ask, "Yeah, but did any of them get seriously sick?" Wow, insightful. As if any cardiovascular machine like a pro hockey player in his 20s is going to need hospitalized for Covid (regardless of vaxxed or not).

You don't have a scientific bone in your body. I'm guessing the toughest math course you ever passed was algebra II.
Ok Doc. I'm sure your posting this from your lab too. Stupid sheeple follow parties and politicians like a GD religion now in this country. So much so they deep dive into it head first and parrot the same BS non stop until they believe it. The fact that you say say "you were right" is the best,,,,sure you were. Can you link your own studies and these definitive outcomes you came to all by yourself? LOL....you're a product of social media brainwashing and are too stupid to even know it. It's 50% ignorance and 50% arrogance to even type that stuff and sincerely think it's true. You really are convinced you know it all.....and I'm sure it wasn't hard at all to convince yourself of it too. Get yourself a participation trophy, you solved Covid.

Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.
 
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i never signed up for the ON3, is there still that deal to sign up there?
its free like this one./ set up a log in and then log out and then log back in and you can post.

But yes Tom is a douche, even in person at a BW game when he was an ass to me about not giving him info about one of my players who was a recruit at the game
 
its free like this one./ set up a log in and then log out and then log back in and you can post.

But yes Tom is a douche, even in person at a BW game when he was an ass to me about not giving him info about one of my players who was a recruit at the game
I'm just curious as to how you know who he was? Never saw a picture. I assumed it wasn't even his real name since there was little in his posts to identify him.
 
1. Of course this thing was man made and accidentally got out of the lab.
2. They need to stop selling the shot as a vaccine and start selling it as a preemptive therapeutic. Take it and you won't get AS SICK but you could still feel bad AND pass it on.
3. The new variant is basically the beginning of the end.
A. the worse the Presidents approval rating gets the more they will do anything to make it go away. Three card monte at its best.
B. The virus is infecting every single thing in the world and it isn't going to have anything to infect by mid February.
C. It is the only thing the Democrats can hope to hang their head on. The rest of the rest year has been a disaster.
4. You will start to see the media talk about deaths, not cases.
You dear sir just nailed #4 on your list. AP will no longer report on new cases. Such bullshit!
 
I'm just curious as to how you know who he was? Never saw a picture. I assumed it wasn't even his real name since there was little in his posts to identify him.
When I brought my player up to the game I walked by his tent outside the stadium. He recognized my kid from the picture and recruit list. He told me to come back and talk to him once my guy went with the rest of the recruits. When I came back he just kept needling me about where the kid was looking at and some of the other kids that were there so he could get insider information. Came off as a total dickhead.
 
Several scientists state that they always suspect virus came from a lab but were afraid to speak out because it would hurt their careers
Just to add a little. Not just any scientists but folks within the inner circle of Fauci. Apparently their emails to Fauci et al raise a very high level of doubt this thing could have come from nature but their public pronouncements say something else supporting the nature hypothesis. Nothing to see here..... Sure
 
1. Of course this thing was man made and accidentally got out of the lab.
2. They need to stop selling the shot as a vaccine and start selling it as a preemptive therapeutic. Take it and you won't get AS SICK but you could still feel bad AND pass it on.
3. The new variant is basically the beginning of the end.
A. the worse the Presidents approval rating gets the more they will do anything to make it go away. Three card monte at its best.
B. The virus is infecting every single thing in the world and it isn't going to have anything to infect by mid February.
C. It is the only thing the Democrats can hope to hang their head on. The rest of the rest year has been a disaster.
4. You will start to see the media talk about deaths, not cases.
Well said and spot on. [at least I sure hope so especially point B
 
Ok Doc. I'm sure your posting this from your lab too. Stupid sheeple follow parties and politicians like a GD religion now in this country. So much so they deep dive into it head first and parrot the same BS non stop until they believe it. The fact that you say say "you were right" is the best,,,,sure you were. Can you link your own studies and these definitive outcomes you came to all by yourself? LOL....you're a product of social media brainwashing and are too stupid to even know it. It's 50% ignorance and 50% arrogance to even type that stuff and sincerely think it's true. You really are convinced you know it all.....and I'm sure it wasn't hard at all to convince yourself of it too. Get yourself a participation trophy, you solved Covid.

Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.
All that typing and you still can't just come out and say it:

"Yeah, you were right on the money on masks. We were wrong when we believed the nonsense spewing out of Fauci's mouth."
 
its free like this one./ set up a log in and then log out and then log back in and you can post.

But yes Tom is a douche, even in person at a BW game when he was an ass to me about not giving him info about one of my players who was a recruit at the game
I was in a free trial period for a couple months when it first started, now they want money.
 
@LaJollaLion

Here is an engineer with very strong math skills telling you in September exactly why everyone is going to get Covid. You can read the rest of the thread at your leisure.

Note that Rt indicates the reproductive success factor of the virus at any point in time, while R0 is the reproductive success factor of the virus at introduction into a population with no immunity from prior exposure or vaccines.

Enjoy. Ask questions if you'd like.

Hell, you could have known that "everyone was going to get it" in September. Instead, you only know it now.

Could be. For Delta, I've seen 8, and just saw one article saying between 6 and 7, and another estimate in the last week of 6.40, I haven't seen a number as low as 5, but could be.

But until the Rt number goes under 1.0, it is still spreading.

I think it goes without saying that all of these numbers are functions of time. So the vaccine's effectiveness might be 60% against infection now, but in a month with the same population of individuals, it might only be 50%, or whatever.

The real point is - vaccination isn't preventing the spread, only slowing it. For comparison - the flu - 2.0 approximately. Obviously the flu spreads like wildfire.


Here is "Dr." Fauci speaking yesterday, giving you the OK to believe the engineer:

But it's BREITBART QUOTING HIM!
 
Theory: DeSantis failure to lockdown, promote the vaccine, and otherwise mismanage the pandemic is why Florida has a huge death toll and a huge caseload recently, while other states that locked down and masked up are doing really well.

Feynman: "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, how smart you are.....if the theory doesn't agree with observation, it's wrong. That's all there is to it."

Engineer: Please see graphs below.

Liberal: I hate Engineer!


New-York-Cases-over-Time.png


Pennsylvania-Deaths-with-Time.png
 
Theory: DeSantis failure to lockdown, promote the vaccine, and otherwise mismanage the pandemic is why Florida has a huge death toll and a huge caseload recently, while other states that locked down and masked up are doing really well.

Feynman: "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, how smart you are.....if the theory doesn't agree with observation, it's wrong. That's all there is to it."

Engineer: Please see graphs below.

Liberal: I hate Engineer!


New-York-Cases-over-Time.png


Pennsylvania-Deaths-with-Time.png

I said 14+ months ago that this was more about power, control, and money then medical science as the politicians (on both sides of the aisle) had more of it then in the history of the USA besides WWII. I think the people now are finally fed up with it.
 
Here are two shots of the CDC tracker. I didn't take the time to overlay the charts so use your imagination. Both are of the same timeframe which is June 13th thru January 13th. The chart shows by "sex" because it's the most clear depiction of the data I could easily find and both chart are "per 100,000 people" so that data is directly comparable. Someone needs to explain why we are even talking about omicron.

This chart is for "Cases"



This chart is for "Deaths"


Edit: I just noticed that although I set the upper limit the january 13th the data actually cuts off at January 8th.
 
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Here are two shots of the CDC tracker. I didn't take the time to overlay the charts so use your imagination. Both are of the same timeframe which is June 13th thru January 13th. The chart shows by "sex" because it's the most clear depiction of the data I could easily find and both chart are "per 100,000 people" so that data is directly comparable. Someone needs to explain why we are even talking about omicron.

This chart is for "Cases"



This chart is for "Deaths"
That is really great news as it appears that COVID is becoming far more infectious but far less lethal. This may well lead to that mysterious "herd immunity" level. Perhaps it is now, really, the "regular flu".
 
Here are two shots of the CDC tracker. I didn't take the time to overlay the charts so use your imagination. Both are of the same timeframe which is June 13th thru January 13th. The chart shows by "sex" because it's the most clear depiction of the data I could easily find and both chart are "per 100,000 people" so that data is directly comparable. Someone needs to explain why we are even talking about omicron.

This chart is for "Cases"



This chart is for "Deaths"
What I find interesting is how quickly deaths dropped. Mid Nov Delta was still pretty strong although starting to fade. Then when Omi hit in mid dec death fell as Omi went up. Which seems a little too early for the deaths to drop as most deaths take a few weeks from infection to happen. But it does appear to be good news.
 
What I find interesting is how quickly deaths dropped. Mid Nov Delta was still pretty strong although starting to fade. Then when Omi hit in mid dec death fell as Omi went up. Which seems a little too early for the deaths to drop as most deaths take a few weeks from infection to happen. But it does appear to be good news.
yeah...and Omicron swept across the world at a speed that is hard to believe when you consider what "protections" have been in place in terms of shots, masks, distancing and lockdowns. I mean, we are talking worldwide in a month.
 
What I find interesting is how quickly deaths dropped. Mid Nov Delta was still pretty strong although starting to fade. Then when Omi hit in mid dec death fell as Omi went up. Which seems a little too early for the deaths to drop as most deaths take a few weeks from infection to happen. But it does appear to be good news.
Guys, that data is wrong/misleading. I SUSPECT, but do not know, that it is a lagging issue with reporting.

Deaths are actually on the rise, and are about 50% of the all time peak.

Now, are cases WAY, WAY up? Yes. But I don't know how much of that is due to more infections and how much is due to more testing.

So, do I think that Omicron is less lethal than Delta - absolutely. But I don't think it is 20% as lethal....maybe more like 50% as lethal.

As noted elsewhere, the vaccine effectiveness against Omicron is really poor. Earlier in this thread, I posted some VE for Omicron - if you are only "fully vaccinated but not boosted", the vaccines work with an effectivity of less than 50% after a few months. The booster shows better results, BUT they only showing the impact of a booster for a very short timeframe after the third shot....my suspicion - the booster will quickly diminish in effectivity.



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Here are two shots of the CDC tracker. I didn't take the time to overlay the charts so use your imagination. Both are of the same timeframe which is June 13th thru January 13th. The chart shows by "sex" because it's the most clear depiction of the data I could easily find and both chart are "per 100,000 people" so that data is directly comparable. Someone needs to explain why we are even talking about omicron.

This chart is for "Cases"



This chart is for "Deaths"


Edit: I just noticed that although I set the upper limit the january 13th the data actually cuts off at January 8th.
Because we can‘t talk about supply chain shortages, inflation, the border crisis, the rise in crime, Putin flexing his muscles, same with China, same with NK.......
 
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