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I think you all are being a bit too hard here. There are certainly incremental benefits to masking and vaccines given your personal situation. And, as a person who can be accused of being a Pollyanna, it took me quite a while to come to admit that we were all "played" by the CDC and various govt groups. I still can't believe the depths of the game, which included every major media outlet including social. Regardless, it is sad and troubling to have to come to admit that the great United States of America is nothing more than a banana republic today. That is complete with no freedom of speech or accountability once exposed.

I mean, I listen to NPR and they sound so nice, so believable. Then, over time, you realize that they are a bought-and-sold outlet for the government (in order to get more govt funding, I suppose). I also spoke to a few CEO's of major companies and ask them why they go along. And they simply say something in the order of "so people don't riot". They can't fight city hall and have a board to report to. So they go through the motions and say the right things.

It is difficult to come to a realization that these things are now true. But that is where we are. I don't blame the people.
 
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I think you all are being a bit too hard here. There are certainly incremental benefits to masking and vaccines given your personal situation. And, as a person who can be accused of being a Pollyanna, it took me quite a while to come to admit that we were all "played" by the CDC and various govt groups. I still can't believe the depths of the game, which included every major media outlet including social. Regardless, it is sad and troubling to have to come to admit that the great United States of America is nothing more than a banana republic today. That is complete with no freedom of speech or accountability once exposed.

I mean, I listen to NPR and they sound so nice, so believable. Then, over time, you realize that they are a bought-and-sold outlet for the government (in order to get more govt funding, I suppose). I also spoke to a few CEO's of major companies and ask them why they go along. And they simply say something in the order of "so people don't riot". They can't fight city hall and have a board to report to. So they go through the motions and say the right things.

It is difficult to come to a realization that these things are now true. But that is where we are. I don't blame the people.
I think the problem that we see here going forward is what you say about CEO's. Everyone just went along because they trusted the government. When it came to vaccines--they LIED--but got everyone to go along. If you said anything about it they shut you down. What happens the next time? It's been over 2.5 years...the first 12 months we had to fight to stay open. Court cases took over a year plus to be heard. Then look at the vaccine "mandates" all based on a LIE. People are still fighting today over them in some places for a vaccine that does NOTHING to prevent illness and never did.

If corporations go along so there are no riots what will they try next?
 
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I think the problem that we see here going forward is what you say about CEO's. Everyone just went along because they trusted the government. When it came to vaccines--they LIED--but got everyone to go along. If you said anything about it they shut you down. What happens the next time? It's been over 2.5 years...the first 12 months we had to fight to stay open. Court cases took over a year plus to be heard. Then look at the vaccine "mandates" all based on a LIE. People are still fighting today over them in some places for a vaccine that does NOTHING to prevent illness and never did.

If corporations go along so there are no riots what will they try next?
Agreed. And we are now seeing this being used as a "path" after the Supreme Court allowed these "emergency powers" during a time of health crises (like Marshal law). We are now seeing efforts to use all kinds of issues under the guise of "healthcare emergency". Global Climate Change is one. And that will manifest itself in changes to energy, cars, infrastructure funding, etc.
 
I think you all are being a bit too hard here. There are certainly incremental benefits to masking and vaccines given your personal situation. And, as a person who can be accused of being a Pollyanna, it took me quite a while to come to admit that we were all "played" by the CDC and various govt groups. I still can't believe the depths of the game, which included every major media outlet including social. Regardless, it is sad and troubling to have to come to admit that the great United States of America is nothing more than a banana republic today. That is complete with no freedom of speech or accountability once exposed.

I mean, I listen to NPR and they sound so nice, so believable. Then, over time, you realize that they are a bought-and-sold outlet for the government (in order to get more govt funding, I suppose). I also spoke to a few CEO's of major companies and ask them why they go along. And they simply say something in the order of "so people don't riot". They can't fight city hall and have a board to report to. So they go through the motions and say the right things.

It is difficult to come to a realization that these things are now true. But that is where we are. I don't blame the people.
I have no issue with people getting vaccines. I didn't even have a huge issue with the original vaccine mandate. But we know now that the current vaccine does nothing stop infection (and thereby transmission) so all vaccine mandates should be gone. There is literally no scientific reason to have a vaccine mandate at this point. And no reason to have kids being recommended by the CDC to get vaccines. But yet the CDC (and govt) still demanding it and social media deplatforming anybody that questions it. That is what is horribly wrong right now.

For masking. I never question when I see an old person wearing a mask. But college kids and twenty somethings that I see wearing them are who I question.
 
I have no issue with people getting vaccines. I didn't even have a huge issue with the original vaccine mandate. But we know now that the current vaccine does nothing stop infection (and thereby transmission) so all vaccine mandates should be gone. There is literally no scientific reason to have a vaccine mandate at this point. And no reason to have kids being recommended by the CDC to get vaccines. But yet the CDC (and govt) still demanding it and social media deplatforming anybody that questions it. That is what is horribly wrong right now.

For masking. I never question when I see an old person wearing a mask. But college kids and twenty somethings that I see wearing them are who I question.
I don't disagree but that is a personal choice. Secondly, it is just another example where the majority of people in the USA are smarter than our federal government.
 
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I don't disagree but that is a personal choice. Secondly, it is just another example where the majority of people in the USA are smarter than our federal government.
I agree it is a personal choice. It is a personal choice if I want to wear a turtleneck, heavy sweater and a winter coat with a hat and gloves and snow boots in Miami in August. But when you do that, I can also make fun of you and think you are strange.

I think the bigger issue to me is the reason behind the mask wearing is a political statement more about being one of the hive and the growing sentiment amongst younger people that socialism and marxism are the better form of government not recognizing the massive pitfalls in that thinking.
 
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In fairness, they are young. They have also been told their entire lives to listen to what the adults tell them. No worse place to follow those orders than a campus setting.
Isn't that the opposite. most of the time college was the opportunity to get away from your parents and be yourself and defy authority.
 
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Maybe a generation or 2 ago
Some enterprising doctoral student should write his or her thesis about this because it doesn't make sense. God, back in the late 60s and 70s, you had students taking over college presidents' offices for various complaints. There's no way that the college students of the late 60s and 70s would've let these idiotic college administrators get away with their vaccine and mask edicts, which still are in effect at many of these institutions of idiocy. Many if not most of these students today act like lambs being led to the slaughter and this doesn't bode well for the future of this country; group think seldom is a positive.
 
I read that article and it just is so all over the place zero idea what it is saying. Horrible journalism. Other than the Lancet is basically and bought and paid for propaganda magazine for somebody.
 
I read that article and it just is so all over the place zero idea what it is saying. Horrible journalism. Other than the Lancet is basically and bought and paid for propaganda magazine for somebody.
Lancet was the periodical that shut down the "man made wuhan virus" issue. They are the ones that paid for 22 "experts" to say there was no way it was invented in the Wuhan lab. Later it came out that Lancet, or somebody, paid these "scientists" to say it. They then used it to shut down anyone who dared suggest the virus was man-made in any way.

it was all orchestrated by some consultant in NY who was used to hand out money that came from the CDC for research. This dude took CDC money and funded Wuhan because it was illegal to do this kind of work in the USA. Canada was funding it as well. It was all a CYA issue so that they didn't get caught circumventing the rules.
 
Lancet was the periodical that shut down the "man made wuhan virus" issue. They are the ones that paid for 22 "experts" to say there was no way it was invented in the Wuhan lab. Later it came out that Lancet, or somebody, paid these "scientists" to say it. They then used it to shut down anyone who dared suggest the virus was man-made in any way.

it was all orchestrated by some consultant in NY who was used to hand out money that came from the CDC for research. This dude took CDC money and funded Wuhan because it was illegal to do this kind of work in the USA. Canada was funding it as well. It was all a CYA issue so that they didn't get caught circumventing the rules.
I remember. Combine that with the Fauci/Collins FOIA emails saying to shut things down and going after anybody that voiced an opinion and just like the JS scandal, this was a gigantic cover up. NIH was funding GOF through an intermediary at Wuhan. So when the leak happened (which I think was most likely an accident) they went into the shutdown mode (Corbett in the JS scandal who knew he would have been uncovered for not putting JS behind bars when the DA). Democrats saw an opportunity to get Trump out of office and have huge power and money to do some social engineering (this is Surma, Peetz who saw the JS scandal as a way to get something out of PSU or revenge on Joe, etc..).
 
I remember. Combine that with the Fauci/Collins FOIA emails saying to shut things down and going after anybody that voiced an opinion and just like the JS scandal, this was a gigantic cover up. NIH was funding GOF through an intermediary at Wuhan. So when the leak happened (which I think was most likely an accident) they went into the shutdown mode (Corbett in the JS scandal who knew he would have been uncovered for not putting JS behind bars when the DA). Democrats saw an opportunity to get Trump out of office and have huge power and money to do some social engineering (this is Surma, Peetz who saw the JS scandal as a way to get something out of PSU or revenge on Joe, etc..).
I think you left off a lot of funding from organizations that were closely tied to China and Chinese companies.
 
I think you left off a lot of funding from organizations that were closely tied to China and Chinese companies.
Yeah, Wuhan lab wasn't solely sponsored by US. China was the main actor, but NIH had some money in it against the spirit of the USA law against GOF hence their cover-up. I am sure China is behind some of the anti-Wuhan lab leak virus stuff. And China owned the WHO who helped them cover this all up.
 
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Yeah, Wuhan lab wasn't solely sponsored by US. China was the main actor, but NIH had some money in it against the spirit of the USA law against GOF hence their cover-up. I am sure China is behind some of the anti-Wuhan lab leak virus stuff. And China owned the WHO who helped them cover this all up.
That is my suspicion. There was big money against this to unify the push to suppress questioning voices. I suspect that came from China. I recall, at the same time, the trailers from the new Top Gun movie came out and they took the "Taiwan" patch off of his flight jacket.

Here is an interesting article, that I've posted on several occasions, from Vanity Fair. Basically, they expose the Lancet and apologize for lying to their readers...but, Trump and all of that, you know. How can you blame us?

The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins

Throughout 2020, the notion that the novel coronavirus leaked from a lab was off-limits. Those who dared to push for transparency say toxic politics and hidden agendas kept us in the dark.
 
That is my suspicion. There was big money against this to unify the push to suppress questioning voices. I suspect that came from China. I recall, at the same time, the trailers from the new Top Gun movie came out and they took the "Taiwan" patch off of his flight jacket.

Here is an interesting article, that I've posted on several occasions, from Vanity Fair. Basically, they expose the Lancet and apologize for lying to their readers...but, Trump and all of that, you know. How can you blame us?

The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins

Throughout 2020, the notion that the novel coronavirus leaked from a lab was off-limits. Those who dared to push for transparency say toxic politics and hidden agendas kept us in the dark.
^^^ this is, BTW, the article that blew the top off of all of this for me. They basically say "we lied but it was for your own good". It was purposeful and blatant. Worse, nobody was held accountable. The consultant quit and faded away but it is possible the blood of millions of people, worldwide, is on his (or their) hands. We've spent years investigating if Trump said a or b in a phone call (at the time) and zero on what happened that caused the death of millions of people. Why? It has to be power and money. And that leads me to the next thought......

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They may not want to touch it but they sure like mail in and expanded voting timelines. Basically anything other than voting in person in front of poll watchers is favored by dems and definitely no ID to confirm someone is voting in the correct location once.
My son does an after school club sports program a local college. So my wife and I dropped him off and got dinner at this food truck area they have that has some tables as such a beautiful night out. You see more mask wearing on a college campus then you do anywhere else that I have been. And considering the risk factor of people age 18-23 is basically zero outside of a triple co-morbidity (who are not the type of people walking around a college campus looking pretty healthy), what is the explanation that the largest percentage of the population wearing masks is the group that has the lowest, non-existent risk.
Poor things are scared to death.
 
I read that article and it just is so all over the place zero idea what it is saying. Horrible journalism. Other than the Lancet is basically and bought and paid for propaganda magazine for somebody.
Well "there were rats and bats and mice but who was so forlorn?
The most likely virus host was the lovely Unicorn"

All of these people are full of shxxt. It did, no it didn't , well it might have, but then again maybe not.
 
Thank God, Biden says the pandemic is over! You can now resume normal activity.

Now I'm worried, because my MO is to do and believe the exact opposite of what his administration says and does, which almost always produces a positive result.
 
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so NPR wants to keep the pandemic going forever basically is the jist of the article.
WaPo also chimes in. Lots of people invested in ‘pandemic’. Gravy train may be ending. Also saw a report from Horvitz and the CDC sounding the alarm on kids not getting vaccinated. Apparently less than .5 of 1% . They are really struggling to come to grips with the fact that nobody believes them anymore, be that god our bad.



 
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WaPo also chimes in. Lots of people invested in ‘pandemic’. Gravy train may be ending. Also saw a report from Horvitz and the CDC sounding the alarm on kids not getting vaccinated. Apparently less than .5 of 1% . They are really struggling to come to grips with the fact that nobody believes them anymore, be that god our bad.



Interesting Freudian slip as the CDC may have saw itself as God during these draconian measures they backed.
 
WaPo also chimes in. Lots of people invested in ‘pandemic’. Gravy train may be ending. Also saw a report from Horvitz and the CDC sounding the alarm on kids not getting vaccinated. Apparently less than .5 of 1% . They are really struggling to come to grips with the fact that nobody believes them anymore, be that god our bad.



yeah, the reasons they give to not end the pandemic are not medical but policy issues that the 'emergency' will not take away. So admitting that the pandemic was a not about the medical but about the emergency powers and all the govt. programs put in place.
 
So a data update:

New hospital admissions are still on the same basic decline that they have been since the end of July. So and steady. Current new hospital admission 7 day average is 3859. So a ways to go before we get back down to less than 2000 per day which was the low points in July 2020 and April 2022. I am just happy that it appears that we did not have a spike due to kids going back to school. I thought potentially with colleges and high schools back in session we might see a leveling off or even an uptick but it appears that is not happening.

7 day on the fatality has some strange data. Average was 352 on September 11 and then went up to 405 on September 15. Remember these are 7 day averages so very strange large jump in a few day period. I have not looked into why but typically anomalies like that occur due to a data dump although I thought the fatality data was not actually dated to when the person died not when it was reported (which was one of the very stupid things being done in the beginning of the pandemic and was an early indicator this was not about medical science but politics). The average is coming back down the last few days and at 360 as of September 18th. So basically since September 8th the fatality data makes no sense as the new hospital admission data has been on a steady decline with no anamolies. But the fatality data, which should track the same is not on that same steady decline even though it was tracking perfectly from August 12 for a month period of time.
 
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So a data update:

New hospital admissions are still on the same basic decline that they have been since the end of July. So and steady. Current new hospital admission 7 day average is 3859. So a ways to go before we get back down to less than 2000 per day which was the low points in July 2020 and April 2022. I am just happy that it appears that we did not have a spike due to kids going back to school. I thought potentially with colleges and high schools back in session we might see a leveling off or even an uptick but it appears that is not happening.

7 day on the fatality has some strange data. Average was 352 on September 11 and then went up to 405 on September 15. Remember these are 7 day averages so very strange large jump in a few day period. I have not looked into why but typically anomalies like that occur due to a data dump although I thought the fatality data was not actually dated to when the person died not when it was reported (which was one of the very stupid things being done in the beginning of the pandemic and was an early indicator this was not about medical science but politics). The average is coming back down the last few days and at 360 as of September 18th. So basically since September 8th the fatality data makes no sense as the new hospital admission data has been on a steady decline with no anamolies. But the fatality data, which should track the same is not on that same steady decline even though it was tracking perfectly from August 12 for a month period of time.
The kids are ignoring it now. Have a nephew that's a freshman at PSU and according to him they all had it, at first people filled up the quarantine rooms, PSU advised local students to quarantine at home if their families were close as quarantine space was filled, and most kids simply ignored it and went on with life (no testing, no quarantine, having fun).
 
yeah, the reasons they give to not end the pandemic are not medical but policy issues that the 'emergency' will not take away. So admitting that the pandemic was a not about the medical but about the emergency powers and all the govt. programs put in place.
Reality is, if the govt says it is or isn't over, the citizens have turned the page. COVID is still a risk. More or less than a regular flu? Depends on what propaganda you read. But, and this is the scary part, the CDC has cried "wolf" far too much and now nobody is listening. I hope they feel ruining the credibility of the medical industry was worth it. Even today, many news outlets are continuing to sound the alarm bells. There is no self-awareness at all.
 
The kids are ignoring it now. Have a nephew that's a freshman at PSU and according to him they all had it, at first people filled up the quarantine rooms, PSU advised local students to quarantine at home if their families were close as quarantine space was filled, and most kids simply ignored it and went on with life (no testing, no quarantine, having fun).
same for my daughter. In fact, getting sick was almost a sign of community. They partied like crazy the first month of school and all got sick. Nobody even tested. As a result, the formal infection rate is still below mask mandate levels. The University has been threatening to go to mask mandates so the kids quit testing to keep the rates at a moderate level. Crazy kids!
 
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Reality is, if the govt says it is or isn't over, the citizens have turned the page. COVID is still a risk. More or less than a regular flu? Depends on what propaganda you read. But, and this is the scary part, the CDC has cried "wolf" far too much and now nobody is listening. I hope they feel ruining the credibility of the medical industry was worth it. Even today, many news outlets are continuing to sound the alarm bells. There is no self-awareness at all.
Hate to say it but many of our institutions have ruined their credibility as of late. Who do you trust when your government and the media blatantly lies to you daily?
 
same for my daughter. In fact, getting sick was almost a sign of community. They partied like crazy the first month of school and all got sick. Nobody even tested. As a result, the formal infection rate is still below mask mandate levels. The University has been threatening to go to mask mandates so the kids quit testing to keep the rates at a moderate level. Crazy kids!
And people give that generation crap, maybe there is hope yet?
 
Hate to say it but many of our institutions have ruined their credibility as of late. Who do you trust when your government and the media blatantly lies to you daily?
I've said this for at least two years "We are on our own.". There is nobody to trust. My last holdout was NPR. I know they "lean" but had, at least, a low level of fairness. I heard an interview two years ago when they were discussing how the state of Arkansas was handling the financial drain on the increase in hospitalizations. The person in charge stated that they were getting more govt money if the person tested positive for COVID so there was no problem, financially, at all. And started to explain the drain on other diseases to conclude that there was a risk in that providers were admitting COVID cases over other, more pressing, health issues. The interviewer abruptly cut him off for no reason and you could tell she was pissed that he said that. That is when I knew the fix was in.
 
As we can see now with certain groups and outlets holding on to Covid, they are doing so for the money or to be able to keep the emergency powers in place so they can continue to mandate things without voting for it basically. This was about power and money since May of 2020 when it was known that Covid was a disease that only had severe negative consequences for those very old and very sick.
 
Reality is, if the govt says it is or isn't over, the citizens have turned the page. COVID is still a risk. More or less than a regular flu? Depends on what propaganda you read. But, and this is the scary part, the CDC has cried "wolf" far too much and now nobody is listening. I hope they feel ruining the credibility of the medical industry was worth it. Even today, many news outlets are continuing to sound the alarm bells. There is no self-awareness at all.
I have gotten the flu shot every year but now I am even debating that. My wife has never gotten the flu shot (egg allergy - yes I know there are non-egg shots), but she hasn't had the flu in 35 years. Thankfully we're both very healthy.
 
As we can see now with certain groups and outlets holding on to Covid, they are doing so for the money or to be able to keep the emergency powers in place so they can continue to mandate things without voting for it basically. This was about power and money since May of 2020 when it was known that Covid was a disease that only had severe negative consequences for those very old and very sick.
I agree...but maybe I was too naive...I thought the medical industry actually cared about people. I am quite certain that most doctors do but the institutional industry is no different than Democrats and Republicans, big business, big religion, news industry, etc.

Can't say it enough:

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I agree...but maybe I was too naive...I thought the medical industry actually cared about people. I am quite certain that most doctors do but the institutional industry is no different than Democrats and Republicans, big business, big religion, news industry, etc.

Can't say it enough:

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Yes, the covid pandemic opened up the eyes to me and a lot of people how broken the current society and government is. special interests now dominate everything.
 
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