Vegas may win a bid for NCAAs next time they try

[NoVa Lion]

See link to an article below. Current NCAA policy is not to have championship events in any state that has legalized gambling on sporting events. That is going to be a lot of states pretty soon. Not sure this is a good thing but NCAAs in Vegas is fine with me.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sport...a-policy/?mc_cid=9083028cef&mc_eid=b39a3df633

 

[tikk10]

This case has been going on for a long time and it's been interesting to watch the facts change around it to the point where yesterday's result seemed inevitable. Once Nevada gained an NHL team, with the NFL's Raiders soon to follow, it was game over because the pro leagues had been arguing that the discriminatory aspect of the law (disfavoring all states except Nevada) was justified because athletes given unfettered access to sports books would otherwise be tempted to throw games. Yesterday's opinion didn't go there (it was decided on rarely used federalism grounds) but I think the fact that the world had changed from when this case was first filed (and it wasn't the first) was an invisible factor.

Which kind of goes to the question Nova posed. Vegas's uniqueness had already broken down and now that SCOTUS has put other states on par with Nevada, the NCAAs regulation relying on Vegas' uniqueness should likewise collapse.

Incidentally, kicking myself for having been in Vegas and not dropping $10 on the Vegas Golden Knights to win the cup. I don't remember what the odds were but they were lonnnng.

 

[psumacw]

Incidentally, kicking myself for having been in Vegas and not dropping $10 on the Vegas Golden Knights to win the cup. I don't remember what the odds were but they were lonnnng.

I was in Vegas in February for the Flyers game and pretty much every cashier at a sports book I talked to said they had money on the Knights at 100:1 or better. I think they were down to like 4:1 at that point because the books didn't want any more money on them.

 

[tikk10]

I was in Vegas in February for the Flyers game and pretty much every cashier at a sports book I talked to said they had money on the Knights at 100:1 or better. I think they were down to like 4:1 at that point because the books didn't want any more money on them.

I think it was close to 1000-1 in October since it was only game 5 of the season when I was there (which I attended).

 

[Ian]

Vegas will be the capital of the sports world in 10 years. The NBA and MLB will arrive. Super Bowls, CFB Championships will be played there along with Final Fours... the PGA will create a fifth major to be played there. All sports will go through Vegas.

 

[mcruny42]

I assume an NCAA Championship would be held where the Golden Knights play and not out where they do the Freestyle and Greco tournament, right?

 

[1AA]

I assume an NCAA Championship would be held where the Golden Knights play and not out where they do the Freestyle and Greco tournament, right?

Southpoint is nowhere near big enough. T-Mobile arena holds 20,000 that's where knights play and where NCAAs would be held.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Southpoint is nowhere near big enough. T-Mobile arena holds 20,000 that's where knights play and where NCAAs would be held.

Plus there will be a football stadium for the Raiders sometime in the near future. We will see how well that works or doesn't work in 2019 in Minneapolis.

 

[Ban Basketball]

And, they have legal weed!

 

[matter7172]

It's interesting, because pro athletes get paid so much these days it's not like 50 years ago when they could be paid enough to throw games that their income would be increased dramatically. But college athletes in basketball and football ....

 

[RoarLions1]

The NCAA Championships bid package (all sports) for 2019-2022 states;

"NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP POLICY RELATED TO SPORTS WAGERING: No predetermined session of an NCAA championship may be conducted in a state with legal wagering that is based on single-game betting or the outcome of any event (i.e., high school, college or professional) in a sport in which the NCAA conducts a championship. This policy currently excludes the state of Nevada."

As far as Nevada...yes, the only arena that would be considered next cycle (2023-2026) is the T-Mobile Arena in Paradise, NV. The Thomas & Mack Center appears to be slightly too small. As NoVa says, we'll have to wait to see how the football arena thing works out. Regardless, we're several years away from any action in Nevada.

As far as history, only 3 times since 1928, has the Championships been held west of Nevada, all on college campuses. Twice at Oregon State (1961 and 1980), and once at the University of Washington (1973). I may be mistaken, we'll see, but Nevada may be a hard sell for Wrestling Championships given it's proximity to fan bases.

 

[tikk10]

I may be mistaken, we'll see, but Nevada may be a hard sell for Wrestling Championships given it's proximity to fan bases.

Vegas may not be nearby most fan bases but it's usually not hard to convince people to travel there. I think it would sell out as quickly as any big Eastern or Central time zone city.

 

[1AA]

Vegas may not be nearby most fan bases but it's usually not hard to convince people to travel there. I think it would sell out as quickly as any big Eastern or Central time zone city.

I agree. It would sell out as fast as any venue. Selling Vegas would be to the NCAAs and old school wrestling guys. Fans would show up big time

 

[matter7172]

I stopped going to NJ states when they moved it to Atlantic City. Imo, an awful atmosphere for a wrestling tournament, high school or college. Vegas is too similar.

 

[ecdcr]

I agree. It would sell out as fast as any venue. Selling Vegas would be to the NCAAs and old school wrestling guys. Fans would show up big time

Would Vegas put lines on individual matches and the team races?

 

[RoarLions1]

Vegas may not be nearby most fan bases but it's usually not hard to convince people to travel there. I think it would sell out as quickly as any big Eastern or Central time zone city.

It makes more sense for other sports, imo. Las Vegas is ok to visit, doesn't add any extra appeal to me knowing how much time is committed to attending the wrestling. 4 years is a bit of a wait to find out...

 

[Cali_Nittany]

I stopped going to NJ states when they moved it to Atlantic City. Imo, an awful atmosphere for a wrestling tournament, high school or college. Vegas is too similar.

Vegas to Atlantic City comparison:

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Regarding the ruling, and the NCAA, only time will tell.

Here's a quote from the NCAA:

"While we are still reviewing the decision to understand the overall implications to college sports, we will adjust sports wagering and championship policies to align with the direction from the court," NCAA chief legal officer Donald Remy said in a statement Monday. (And for those that have forgotten, Remy was an absolute a-hole during the JS saga, and his advice proved to be costly to the NCAA.)

Several states have passed bills that basically positioned themselves to be ready to get involved with this rather quickly if the SCOTUS ruled in favor of New Jersey. NJ was one, and PA was another. You'd have to look at each respective bill to analyze how this might impact college sports, and I don't have time to do that right now. I know that NJ's bill did not allow betting on any competition involving a NJ college, or a college event taking place in NJ. (It also prohibited betting on HS events.) It would not surprise me if most states that got involved with this adopted similar limitations, in part so that NCAA playoff/championship events can be staged within their borders.

 

[tikk10]

It makes more sense for other sports, imo. Las Vegas is ok to visit, doesn't add any extra appeal to me knowing how much time is committed to attending the wrestling. 4 years is a bit of a wait to find out...

Having only recently visited there for the first time I was surprised at how family friendly it was, at least relative to my expectation going in. Maybe family friendly is a bit much but there were kids in strollers everywhere. There's enough to do that doesn't involve gambling. But I agree that for most fans the wrestling consumes much of the time and it'd be a waste to experience Vegas for the first time via the NCAA tournament. One big advantage, though, is that there might be no better city to host in terms of accommodations. Like NYC, 20k wrestling fans will only register as a blip on the tourist radar. Plenty of flights from everywhere and hotel prices would remain reasonable.

 

[amattaro]

I'm hoping Phoenix gets an opportunity. It was miserable cold in Cleveland. It would be nice to go outside the arena between sessiones and not be miserable.

 

[NoVa Lion]

I'm hoping Phoenix gets an opportunity. It was miserable cold in Cleveland. It would be nice to go outside the arena between sessiones and not be miserable.

Has Phoenix submitted a bid? They only get an opportunity if they want one.

 

[amattaro]

Has Phoenix submitted a bid? They only get an opportunity if they want one.

I don't even know if PSUPaul ever got a Bo bobble head or how he could go about doing so, let alone what Phoenix thinks about hosting the NCAA.

I'm just saying it would be good for me. That's all that matters here!

 

[NoVa Lion]

I don't even know if PSUPaul ever got a Bo bobble head or how he could go about doing so, let alone what Phoenix thinks about hosting the NCAA.

I'm just saying it would be good for me. That's all that matters here!

I just like to keep people on point on the subject of where NCAAs may be held. Cleveland weather (as I expected) was lousy. Lots of cities I would like to see NCAAs at that won't EVER host because they don't even bid, or even consider bidding. Phoenix is probably one of those.

 

[El-Jefe]

I'm flying to Vegas on Friday, will be my 4th trip and I don't gamble. (In this trip, splitting my time between Vegas and the southern Utah national parks.)

The arguments against Vegas could be used to disqualify nearly every potential host city.

Aside from the usual arguments for: the city stays open late at night. Non-fan spouses can amuse themselves for a few days. An excellent oppprtunity to extend the trip -- and favorable weather to do so.

One more: it would be more fun for the athletes, comparable to how special the NYC trip was. Very few cities can measure up to the NYC experience for the athletes. The usual suspects do not. Vegas absolutely does.

 

[86PSUPaul]

I don't even know if PSUPaul ever got a Bo bobble head or how he could go about doing so, let alone what Phoenix thinks about hosting the NCAA.

I'm just saying it would be good for me. That's all that matters here!

Made me chuckle. I will admit it is strange to be reading a thread that I haven't posted in and see my handle.

And for the record, no, still no Bo bobblehead, despite me offering about $19.95!! (plus reasonable shipping....)

 

[nitlion6]

Made me chuckle. I will admit it is strange to be reading a thread that I haven't posted in and see my handle.

And for the record, no, still no Bo bobblehead, despite me offering about $19.95!! (plus reasonable shipping....)

Just for the heck of it
Have to tried calling the wrestling office? I will bet you if you talked to Casey he could find you one.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Made me chuckle. I will admit it is strange to be reading a thread that I haven't posted in and see my handle.

And for the record, no, still no Bo bobblehead, despite me offering about $19.95!! (plus reasonable shipping....)

Ask Bendik if he'll buy a random bobblehead, repaint it to look like Bo, and send it to you for $30.

 

[86PSUPaul]

Just for the heck of it
Have to tried calling the wrestling office? I will bet you if you talked to Casey he could find you one.

I do have his email, plus Cael’s too. I could trade them a Hyvee chunky soup with Cael on the label! I think Cael might have a few cases though. Maybe Bo would trade me a can of soup for his Bobblehead, just so he could bug Coach!

 

[Notsofastmyfriend21]

Could this also help a program at UNLV?

 

[RoarLions1]

I'm flying to Vegas on Friday, will be my 4th trip and I don't gamble. (In this trip, splitting my time between Vegas and the southern Utah national parks.)

The arguments against Vegas could be used to disqualify nearly every potential host city.

Aside from the usual arguments for: the city stays open late at night. Non-fan spouses can amuse themselves for a few days. An excellent oppprtunity to extend the trip -- and favorable weather to do so.

One more: it would be more fun for the athletes, comparable to how special the NYC trip was. Very few cities can measure up to the NYC experience for the athletes. The usual suspects do not. Vegas absolutely does.

Enjoy your trip!! Sounds awesome...my oldest lives in Denver and has been to several of the southern Utah National Parks...loved it...hoping you do as well.

Didn't read too many arguments against LV here. I can't think of a reasonable National Championship venue (including LV) that wouldn't sell out, so it will come down to the almighty dollar, and how much the NCAA can make, for whichever cities decide to make a bid next cycle.

I am close enough to see the dramatic difference in PSU ticket application numbers based on venue location. in the past 7 years, St. Louis (twice), Des Moines, and Oklahoma City were off by multiples, not just a small percentage, as compared to New York City and Cleveland...and Pittsburgh will likely end up with even higher request numbers. Again, LV would surely be popular, though I'm also sure there would be fewer PSU'ers than at some of the recent arenas.

 

[dropster45]

Anywhere but Iowa for crying out loud

 

[CowboyUp61]

Anywhere but Iowa for crying out loud

didn't I read somewhere where terrorists were hiding in the cornfields? Or maybe a bunch of Iranians were there? Not sure, always get confused when reading Foley's rambling

 

[nitlion6]

didn't I read somewhere where terrorists were hiding in the cornfields? Or maybe a bunch of Iranians were there? Not sure, always get confused when reading Foley's rambling

Terrorists per corn stalk. A dangerous, scary place - Iowa. I just think Foley got his ass kicked whenever he wrestled a Hawkeye, Cyclone or Panther and is now conditioned to be fearful of anything Iowa.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

One other plus for Vegas is that it would seem to make Pitt's extracurricular activities easier to access, and even legal in some cases.

 

[dropster45]

Of course there’s Marco’s, Mickeys, and Bo James, so if it does go back to the children of the corn, I’ll make do

 

[Aardvark86]

See link to an article below. Current NCAA policy is not to have championship events in any state that has legalized gambling on sporting events. That is going to be a lot of states pretty soon. Not sure this is a good thing but NCAAs in Vegas is fine with me.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sport...a-policy/?mc_cid=9083028cef&mc_eid=b39a3df633

I would give it to Vegas based solely on the pre game promos that the golden knights run. So over the top Vegas but...awesome

https://www.russianmachineneverbrea...ts-destroy-jet-yet-another-epic-pregame-show/

 

[RoarLions1]

Anywhere but Iowa for crying out loud

Extremely doubtful any time soon, though I have been to Iowa several times for wrestling events, and had awesome experiences every time. The Wells Fargo Arena in Des Moines is the largest arena in Iowa, and rates around #65 largest in the country, give or take...nowhere near large enough to host now. It was the host for the 2013 Championships, though it was selected prior to the run of sellouts, starting in 2011.