Volunteers organize cleanups in Baltimore (link)

[demlion]

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/28/cleanup-underway-in-w-baltimore/

Is this because the people who live there are bad people, too? Or does this counter the narrative?

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/28/cleanup-underway-in-w-baltimore/

Is this because the people who live there are bad people, too? Or does this counter the narrative?

Another example of how a few bad eggs can create a colossal mess and a negative narrative that is hard to reverse / shed.

The same can be said about PSU's BOT and Administration. The majority of PsU'ers and Baltimorans are good, decent people but the narrative and labels for both have already been undeservedly established.

 

[LionJim]

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/28/cleanup-underway-in-w-baltimore/

Is this because the people who live there are bad people, too? Or does this counter the narrative?

Yes, and I've been thinking of the pastor whose congregation's senior-housing complex burned last night. His courage, his integrity, his passion,damn, that was something to see. When have any of us found ourselves in a situation that required the sort of strength he showed yesterday, and probably needs to show every day?

 

[demlion]

Another example of how a few bad eggs can create a colossal mess and create a negative narrative that is hard to reverse / shed.

The same can be said about PSU's BOT and Administration. The majority of PsU'ers and Baltimorans are good, decent people but the narrative and labels for both have already been undeservedly established.

yes, and the same can be said about the Baltimore cops and Ferguson cops. All inner-city residents are not rioters, all cops do not kill unarmed suspects, and all PSU FB fans do not enable pedophilia. It remains to be seen if all TSM board members enable pedophilia though.

 

[Obliviax]

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/28/cleanup-underway-in-w-baltimore/

Is this because the people who live there are bad people, too? Or does this counter the narrative?

First, one does have to ask why such a "cleanup" is necessary.

Secondly, it has been reported much of the trouble has been caused by kids and people from out of town. I don't know if all of that is true.

Regardless, several businesses were damaged, cops and people were hurt, and the city's reputation has been horribly tarnished. I applaud those that are attempting to clean up the mess. But, as my wife says, there are two parts to ever apology: A) I am sorry and B) It will never happen again.

 

[demlion]

First, one does have to ask why such a "cleanup" is necessary.

Secondly, it has been reported much of the trouble has been caused by kids and people from out of town. I don't know if all of that is true.

Regardless, several businesses were damaged, cops and people were hurt, and the city's reputation has been horribly tarnished. I applaud those that are attempting to clean up the mess. But, as my wife says, there are two parts to ever apology: A) I am sorry and B) It will never happen again.

The cleanup is necessary because some people trashed the place--people from the same neighborhood that got trashed are now out cleaning it up.

 

[Obliviax]

The cleanup is necessary because some people trashed the place--people from the same neighborhood that got trashed are now out cleaning it up.

Put that way, its a bad overall statement on the community. While there are good, there weren't enough good to stop a catastrophe for the community. Hasn't happened in my community nor in 99.999% of the communities in the USA. So, if you are going to lump + & - into a blanket statement, it is a bad review.

 

[demlion]

Put that way, its a bad overall statement on the community. While there are good, there weren't enough good to stop a catastrophe for the community. Hasn't happened in my community nor in 99.999% of the communities in the USA. So, if you are going to lump + & - into a blanket statement, it is a bad review.

Let the Cleveland cops kill a few unarmed suspects and lets see how it goes. With luck they will have the political skill and enough community faith and strength to avoid it altogether. They will also have Baltimore's example.

 

[Obliviax]

Already happened. A couple in a car chase was shot 100 times (man and woman) with no gun found in the car. (you can follow the cop's trial here) A kid was shot with a plastic toy gun by a cop who probably shouldn't have been in uniform. Having said that, there's a reason why I don't live in downtown CLE, nor any other major city.

 

[kgilbert78]

Already happened. A couple in a car chase was shot 100 times (man and woman) with no gun found in the car. (you can follow the cop's trial here) A kid was shot with a plastic toy gun by a cop who probably shouldn't have been in uniform. Having said that, there's a reason why I don't live in downtown CLE, nor any other major city.

The "kid" was 5'7' and 195 lbs. At 12. I can at least understand why the cop thought he was older, even though I don't think he used good judgement. Still tragic. I used to have a couple of water pistols that looked like real guns. I threw them away many years ago (smashed them first, as I recall) as i was living in a iffy neighborhood. I decided that I didn't want to take a chance that someone might think they were real.

One solution I *have* seen is a simple one. Better training. There's a course out there that puts the trainees in real life type situations to see how they respond and then trains the proper course of action. The success rate for this program is pretty high (cannot recall which one it is)--questionable incidents dropped noticeably in departments that went through the training. Given all the $$ we throw at solutions that don't work, it might be worth while throwing some at ones that do.