As Fox News often does, one of the reporters, Abby Huntsman at a restaurant, I believe in or named the Villages in Florida was interviewing several individuals in the segment who were commenting on the political issues of the day. Before the interview started I thought one of the guys looked like Wade Schalles...as it turned out it was. His comments basically called for civility, and rued the divisiveness of today. Well done no matter the political position of the viewer in my opinion. Still looked like he could pin any opponent.
Wade Schalles
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Good for Wade--and I agree whole-heartedly. We need wrestlers to lead the way!
I saw Chicago live at the Farm Show Arena in Harrisburg in 1971. Great performance then and they are still good now. I don't think there are any younger groups today that can match the performances you saw back in that era.
The question is should Wade Schalles be considered for the all-time D1 Pinning list? Flo thinks not because Clarion was a D2 school back in the 70's. Most think that he should be, though, as D2 in the 70's was much tougher than it is today. Schalles only got to wrestle in two D1 NCAA's, where he pinned 8 of 10 opponents, won two titles, and was named Outstanding Wrestler both times. That indicates to me that the division wouldn't have mattered in determining the number of pins that he registered.
My friend did the portraits that were included in the album packaging for Chicago (or Chicago 2 as some call it).
I had previously thought Schalles only got to wrestle in two NCAAs, but that was wrong.
He did compete as a FR, winning 2 matches, 1 by fall.
Then was ineligible as a SR
He did compete as a FR, winning 2 matches, 1 by fall.
Then was ineligible as a SR
Where do you find that Schalles competed in NCAA post season as a freshman?
Here is what the Open Mat article says https://news.theopenmat.com/blog/2017/05/11/ncaa-wrestlings-time-pin-king-part-one/
"The debate begins with Wade Schalles, a two-time Division I and Division II NCAA champion, winning titles at both levels, back then finalists at the Division II tournament advanced to the Division I tournament, in 1972 and 1973 for Clarion. A misunderstanding over the changing eligibility rules for freshmen ended up costing Schalles his post season in 1974..."
NCAA 1971.pdf
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Jammenz - not sure i copied those links correctly, but according to NCAA tourney records he wrestled 158 in 1971 tournament.
I thought he had been ineligible both FR and SR yrs.
Found this while looking for something else.
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Jammenz - not sure i copied those links correctly, but according to NCAA tourney records he wrestled 158 in 1971 tournament.
I thought he had been ineligible both FR and SR yrs.
Found this while looking for something else.
I remember watching Chicago perform in Rec Hall in 1970. Shortly thereafter the Jefferson Airplane came to Rec Hall and there was so much dope smoked that they banned further concerts at Rec Hall.
And not at Chicago?
I just watched a PBS viewing of Chicago doing Chicago 2 in its entirety for the 50th (? Someone can't count, as it was released in 1970) anniversary of same. Great piece of music.
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Well, that is the problem with wrestling stats, they're often wrong or incomplete. D1 does have him listed as winning two matches before falling into consies where he disappears. This contradicts multiple reports that he only wrestled D1 as a Soph & JR. The clincher for me is that he is not listed at all in the D2 AA's while the top 3 placers all did wrestle at the D1 tourney: http://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/Division II/NCAA II 1971.pdf
He didn't "disappear" from the consys. He lost to someone that did not make the finals ergo he was never "in" the consys.
1971 is the year he pinned Clyde Frantz at an Eastern regional tournament, which I attended, so I dont know what made me think he didnt go to NCAAs as FR. Stan Dziedzic (who had Wade's number) from same league won NCAAs at 150.
So, Schalles must have wrestled that year.
Dziedzic may have been the reason he as at 158 since Dziedzic won 150; and next year Wade went down to 150.
None of this obscures the fact that Wade Schalles is one of the all-time, all-time greats, probably the greatest pinner and certainly unique.
It is appropriate the pinning award is named for him.
So, Schalles must have wrestled that year.
Dziedzic may have been the reason he as at 158 since Dziedzic won 150; and next year Wade went down to 150.
None of this obscures the fact that Wade Schalles is one of the all-time, all-time greats, probably the greatest pinner and certainly unique.
It is appropriate the pinning award is named for him.
That changed by the time I was a student. Saw a few concerts there, and also saw Jim Martin and Ken Chertow smoke many dopes.
Here are your D2 AA's from 1971 at 158: The top three AA's qualified for D1 NCAA's. No Schalles.
http://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/Division II/NCAA II 1971.pdf
1st: Clint Young - Northern Iowa (2-1)
2nd: Gerald Strauman - Western Illinois
3rd: John Finch - Cal Poly-SLO (4-0)
4th: Ralph Pizzo - SUNY-Oswego
5th: Pat Miller - Humboldt State (8-8, 2-2 RD)
6th: Jim Gildersleeve - MN State-Moorhead
http://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/Division II/NCAA II 1971.pdf
1st: Clint Young - Northern Iowa (2-1)
2nd: Gerald Strauman - Western Illinois
3rd: John Finch - Cal Poly-SLO (4-0)
4th: Ralph Pizzo - SUNY-Oswego
5th: Pat Miller - Humboldt State (8-8, 2-2 RD)
6th: Jim Gildersleeve - MN State-Moorhead
Here is the 1971 D1 bracket at 158:http://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/brackets/NCAA 1971.pdf
Schalles, Lausch, Radman, and Frantz all lose in Quarterfinals; Only Lausch and Frantz appear in consies.
Clearly the D1 and D2 results don't jibe.
Schalles, Lausch, Radman, and Frantz all lose in Quarterfinals; Only Lausch and Frantz appear in consies.
Clearly the D1 and D2 results don't jibe.
It looks like only guys who lost to the two finalists went to consis back then.
You will see that fellas who lost the very first round are in consis IF they lost to
Mike Jones or Carl Adams.
And I think that regional tournament I mentioned had something to do with Schalles.
Perhaps he didnt wrestle in the D2 tournament.
Someone else can probably answer this, if they wish to.
You will see that fellas who lost the very first round are in consis IF they lost to
Mike Jones or Carl Adams.
And I think that regional tournament I mentioned had something to do with Schalles.
Perhaps he didnt wrestle in the D2 tournament.
Someone else can probably answer this, if they wish to.
I can't help you if you are going to be deliberately dense. Laush and Frantz's opponents won their semis so they drop into the consys. Scahlles and Radman's opponents lost in the semis so they were eliminated from the tournament.
Schalles career is confusing, due to his enrolling at one school then quickly transferring to Clarion.
I see he only won D2 twice, the same yrs he won DI.
So...as a FR in 1971, he wrestled the regular season; then he either didnt wrestle in D2, or lost early (guessing he wasnt allowed to compete?); but won regional tournament to obtain 5th seed for D1, then lost in D1.
He won both divisions in 1972 and 1973.
As SR in 1974, NCAA decided they had made mistake in allowing him to wrestle in 1971 so they did not let him compete in D1; and he must have been prohibited in D2 as well.
I see he only won D2 twice, the same yrs he won DI.
So...as a FR in 1971, he wrestled the regular season; then he either didnt wrestle in D2, or lost early (guessing he wasnt allowed to compete?); but won regional tournament to obtain 5th seed for D1, then lost in D1.
He won both divisions in 1972 and 1973.
As SR in 1974, NCAA decided they had made mistake in allowing him to wrestle in 1971 so they did not let him compete in D1; and he must have been prohibited in D2 as well.
I'm sure the Jefferson Airplane did their best to squelch the dope smoking, but there were limits to what they could do!Who would have guessed that at a Jefferson Airplane concert!?
Pretty sure that Schalles pinned PSU's previous NCAA 3rd, Clyde Franz, at that regional tournament.
Sorry--Randy. Reading through this thread today I see you already posted of being present when Schalles pinned Franz! That was pretty amazing at the time, as Franz was the established collegiate star at the time. It was first period I believe.
Division II and Division III weren't formally created until 1973, so prior to that, Division I, as we now know it, was known as the University Division and the smaller schools were in the College Division.
In 1970, the championships were "open." That year saw a record 394 entries at Northwestern. In 1971, the NCAA went to a qualification system, with regional qualifiers and conference tournaments. Interestingly enough, the EIWA and PSAC weren't qualifiers.
As mentioned above, Schalles pinned Frantz in what was at the time called the "District II Qualifier."
Clarion only competed in the "college division" in 1972 and only competed as a Division II member in 1973.
Research credits: The History of Collegiate Wrestling, March 17, 1973 edition of Amateur Wrestling News, some of the posts above, and my own personal stash of stuff.
In 1970, the championships were "open." That year saw a record 394 entries at Northwestern. In 1971, the NCAA went to a qualification system, with regional qualifiers and conference tournaments. Interestingly enough, the EIWA and PSAC weren't qualifiers.
As mentioned above, Schalles pinned Frantz in what was at the time called the "District II Qualifier."
Clarion only competed in the "college division" in 1972 and only competed as a Division II member in 1973.
Research credits: The History of Collegiate Wrestling, March 17, 1973 edition of Amateur Wrestling News, some of the posts above, and my own personal stash of stuff.
