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Was the first case really in the Northwest?

But every flu effects people differently. I had a flu two years ago that knocked me on my ass, had a dry hacking cough that lasted at least a month....obviously not the Coronavirus. Just because people had something that they don’t feel they had before doesn’t mean it was Coronavirus.
 
The Spin Meister said:
Only makes sense it has been here since December if not Nov. 15,000 travel from China every day. If only 1% were positive for C19, that is 150 people every day.Then they spread it around.

I also think we are approaching herd immunity and that is why case numbers are dropping. Did you see the story that Tom McAndrew posted about every single country, no matter what controls theh instituted peaked at eight weeks and then declined.
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Yea, but we are well past the range this professor laid out. First reported cases in early Feb; we are 11-12 weeks in, just from reported cases.
 
rudedude said:
Thanks for posting this. Hope we can meet up sometime soon in the future.
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Sounds like a plan. FWIW, my good friend and PSU roommate lives near Seaman's and my other PSU roommate lives out past Handsome Pond. Both are transplants from nearby towns that wanted houses with acreage. WE ARE...everywhere.
 
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It’s interesting to see so many people with relevant situations indicating it has been here since early winter.

The week of Thanksgiving I developed a nasty dry cough, fever, extreme fatigue, significant body aches, significant digestive issues...thought maybe it was the antibiotic although I’ve taken it many times and it was never that bad. Diagnosed as “well we will call it bronchitis”, 3rd visit of 4 total in 2 1/2 weeks a different doc said it looked more like pneumonia. Tried 2 different antibiotics that did nothing (antibiotics don’t work on viral diseases). Cough and chest tightness lingered for weeks as well.

Would love to know if it was in fact COVID-19
 
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The Spin Meister said:
Only makes sense it has been here since December if not Nov. 15,000 travel from China every day. If only 1% were positive for C19, that is 150 people every day.Then they spread it around.

I also think we are approaching herd immunity and that is why case numbers are dropping. Did you see the story that Tom McAndrew posted about every single country, no matter what controls they instituted peaked at eight weeks and then declined.
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I could not find the story you are referencing but there is zero reason to believe we are near herd immunity, otherwise, places like Hong Kong would not have had a second wave after prematurely relaxing their shutdown. If we are peaking, it’s because intelligent people started social distancing after observing a month of exponential growth - even if their government is not imposing a stay at home order.
 
Sproul said:
There were 2 strains of the flu this year. Yet anybody that was sick from October to April will tell you they had the Rona, nobody will say they had the flu. Everyone was just the first person in the country to have the Vid.
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Well there's this.

"Florida on Monday night removed data from the Department of Health website that showed 171 patients had coronavirus symptoms or positive test results in January and February, before any cases were announced to the public."

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/...s-in-florida-had-symptoms-as-early-as-january
 
PearlSUJam said:
I've posted this on different threads but never really told the entire story because it's a long one. I'm 45 years old and live in NEPA.

On January 14, while at work, I started with a dry cough and came home and bitched because my co-worker coughed days before and didn't cover his mouth. I thought I was coming down with the cold. Wrong.

I woke up the next day with a fever of 101.7 and felt like garbage but it was manageable with Advil and rest. I still had an appetite and figured it was the flu and I'd get through it like I've done every other time I got hit with it. After all, there's nothing the doctors can do with the flu except prescribe Tamiflu and help you feel better.

Four or five days later with the high fever, which went into the weekend, I started to develop a horrible cough and lost my all taste and smell which made eating pointless. I couldn't sleep because laying down would make the cough worse so I was on 2 days of no sleep. The headache was unbearable. 10x worse than a hangover with those Milwaukee's Best Ice 12 packs we used to get at Pennsylvania Pizza late night.

On January 21st, around 4 am, I was struggling to get my breath and went downstairs to tell my wife who was sleeping on the couch. I passed out before I could get to her but the thud of me hitting the floor woke her up. We argued about calling an ambulance and I went outside and got my breath back.

Later that morning, I went to the ER and they did flu swabs up my nose and a CHEST X RAY. The physician's assistant was very nice and she told me I tested negative for the flu but I had pneumonia and a fever. I was sent home with a strong antibiotic and an inhaler. I was hesitant but I'm not a doc.

I didn't sleep an hour that night, and spent most of that day in the bathroom with diarrhea. Our bathroom is on the second floor and I could hardly breathe by the time I reached the top stair all day. I decided it was time to head back to the ER on January 22nd.

In the ER they started pumping me full of fluids because I still had a fever and was dehydrated. The doc sent me for ANOTHER chest x ray and when I got back to my ER room the physicians assistant for the day earlier came in to check on me. She started grilling me on why I was back because "THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE". The nurse that was now taking care of me told her that I tested positive for Influenza A1 after labs. This was after a day earlier they did the tests and sent me home.

After a lot of fluids in the ER, I was admitted into a room and at that point I had a hard time getting off of the stretcher and onto the bed. The nurse tried to coach me how to breathe to keep my oxygen level above 90 after he put it on my face. I later learned I had to be above 90 or I'd have to be in ICU.

Another night of no sleep. The fever was still so intense that I had the nurse bring in ice packs to put on my chest and behind my neck.

For the first 4 days, I feared going to the bathroom 6 feet away from my chair to take a piss because I would get out of breath and stand for 3 minutes trying to catch my breath, on oxygen mind you. To drop a deuce on the mini child toilet still with diarrhea, 5 minutes of trying to catch my breath like drowning.

My doc would come daily and let me know what was going on. He admittedly told me judging by my numbers he thought I wouldn't look good. He was very happy by how I was responding. He sent me for another chest x ray telling THEY USUALLY DON'T DO THIS.

So by day 7 of steroids and antibiotics and mucinex and loss of 20 pounds of they thought it would be a good idea to release me from the hospital. My oxygen was 92 sitting still and I felt ok. On the day I was released, my doc had me walk the hallway and my oxygen dropped to 84.

So at that point it was decided I would be sent home with oxygen. THE NURSE ON MY SHIFT SAID SHE'S NEVER SEEN THIS . She said no one my age gets sent home with oxygen. I was just happy to get into my own bed. My insurance doesn't cover oxygen for a 45 year old that doesn't have COPD so I paid out of pocket. Whatever.

In a follow up with my family doc he went over all of my hospital results and said my lactic acid, calcium and potassium were dangerously low, a sign of going septic.

I went back to work in a limited setting 2 weeks later. A follow up chest x ray came back with "unresolved pneumonia". A second follow up came back with the same. My doctor set me up with a appt with a pulmonologist and he asked if I had traveled, etc. He actually said it's very suspicious. I have a video appt with him in a week. He's hesitant to do more testing to put me at risk at a lab. I asked to be tested for antibodies. He said its not available in PA yet. We need this testing.

I truly believe many more people had it than suspected, and we might be able to relax sooner than later.
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As tests become more accurate and available, you should get one as well as your immediate family. All of your symptoms certainly checked the boxes for COVID.
Let us know the outcome if you can.
 
83wuzme said:
As tests become more accurate and available, you should get one as well as your immediate family. All of your symptoms certainly checked the boxes for COVID.
Let us know the outcome if you can.
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Will do. I have one scheduled in a week and a half. I had to pay $130 out of pocket up front but don't want to wait anymore. I'm actually very excited for it which is weird in these times.
 
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83wuzme said:
As tests become more accurate and available, you should get one as well as your immediate family. All of your symptoms certainly checked the boxes for COVID.
Let us know the outcome if you can.
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Read up on PCR, IgG, and IgM tests before you decide what tests if any are appropriate for your symptoms and suspected time of infection . Hopefully you have a good internist as a sounding board .
 
katchthis said:
Read up on PCR, IgG, and IgM tests before you decide what tests if any are appropriate for your symptoms and suspected time of infection . Hopefully you have a good internist as a sounding board .
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If it was mid January is there a good internest NEPA at this point? My pulmonologist said he's thinking about paying for his as well.
 
As many have said....this has been around for a while. Apparently as early as December in Paris.

 
PearlSUJam said:
I've posted this on different threads but never really told the entire story because it's a long one. I'm 45 years old and live in NEPA.

On January 14, while at work, I started with a dry cough and came home and bitched because my co-worker coughed days before and didn't cover his mouth. I thought I was coming down with the cold. Wrong.

I woke up the next day with a fever of 101.7 and felt like garbage but it was manageable with Advil and rest. I still had an appetite and figured it was the flu and I'd get through it like I've done every other time I got hit with it. After all, there's nothing the doctors can do with the flu except prescribe Tamiflu and help you feel better.

Four or five days later with the high fever, which went into the weekend, I started to develop a horrible cough and lost my all taste and smell which made eating pointless. I couldn't sleep because laying down would make the cough worse so I was on 2 days of no sleep. The headache was unbearable. 10x worse than a hangover with those Milwaukee's Best Ice 12 packs we used to get at Pennsylvania Pizza late night.

On January 21st, around 4 am, I was struggling to get my breath and went downstairs to tell my wife who was sleeping on the couch. I passed out before I could get to her but the thud of me hitting the floor woke her up. We argued about calling an ambulance and I went outside and got my breath back.

Later that morning, I went to the ER and they did flu swabs up my nose and a CHEST X RAY. The physician's assistant was very nice and she told me I tested negative for the flu but I had pneumonia and a fever. I was sent home with a strong antibiotic and an inhaler. I was hesitant but I'm not a doc.

I didn't sleep an hour that night, and spent most of that day in the bathroom with diarrhea. Our bathroom is on the second floor and I could hardly breathe by the time I reached the top stair all day. I decided it was time to head back to the ER on January 22nd.

In the ER they started pumping me full of fluids because I still had a fever and was dehydrated. The doc sent me for ANOTHER chest x ray and when I got back to my ER room the physicians assistant for the day earlier came in to check on me. She started grilling me on why I was back because "THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE". The nurse that was now taking care of me told her that I tested positive for Influenza A1 after labs. This was after a day earlier they did the tests and sent me home.

After a lot of fluids in the ER, I was admitted into a room and at that point I had a hard time getting off of the stretcher and onto the bed. The nurse tried to coach me how to breathe to keep my oxygen level above 90 after he put it on my face. I later learned I had to be above 90 or I'd have to be in ICU.

Another night of no sleep. The fever was still so intense that I had the nurse bring in ice packs to put on my chest and behind my neck.

For the first 4 days, I feared going to the bathroom 6 feet away from my chair to take a piss because I would get out of breath and stand for 3 minutes trying to catch my breath, on oxygen mind you. To drop a deuce on the mini child toilet still with diarrhea, 5 minutes of trying to catch my breath like drowning.

My doc would come daily and let me know what was going on. He admittedly told me judging by my numbers he thought I wouldn't look good. He was very happy by how I was responding. He sent me for another chest x ray telling THEY USUALLY DON'T DO THIS.

So by day 7 of steroids and antibiotics and mucinex and loss of 20 pounds of they thought it would be a good idea to release me from the hospital. My oxygen was 92 sitting still and I felt ok. On the day I was released, my doc had me walk the hallway and my oxygen dropped to 84.

So at that point it was decided I would be sent home with oxygen. THE NURSE ON MY SHIFT SAID SHE'S NEVER SEEN THIS . She said no one my age gets sent home with oxygen. I was just happy to get into my own bed. My insurance doesn't cover oxygen for a 45 year old that doesn't have COPD so I paid out of pocket. Whatever.

In a follow up with my family doc he went over all of my hospital results and said my lactic acid, calcium and potassium were dangerously low, a sign of going septic.

I went back to work in a limited setting 2 weeks later. A follow up chest x ray came back with "unresolved pneumonia". A second follow up came back with the same. My doctor set me up with a appt with a pulmonologist and he asked if I had traveled, etc. He actually said it's very suspicious. I have a video appt with him in a week. He's hesitant to do more testing to put me at risk at a lab. I asked to be tested for antibodies. He said its not available in PA yet. We need this testing.

I truly believe many more people had it than suspected, and we might be able to relax sooner than later.
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At one point you said you had been tested for Coronavirus in mid-January, and another time you said you weren’t tested. So, were you?
 
PearlSUJam said:
I was tested for Coronavirus not Covid-19. You know the difference, right?
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Covid-19 IS a coronavirus. But many people, when referring to the current novel coronavirus causing this current health crisis, simply say "coronavirus." There are a number of coronaviruses floating out there all the time ... some cause variants of the common cold, and others are variants like SARS ... but no one is tested for "coronavirus," unless you're referring to the generic reference for this current iteration - covid-19. If you're tested for SARS, for instance, you're tested for SARS, a coronavirus. So I'm not sure what you were tested for in mid-January.
 
DingerzForDaze said:
Covid-19 IS a coronavirus. But many people, when referring to the current novel coronavirus causing this current health crisis, simply say "coronavirus." There are a number of coronaviruses floating out there all the time ... some cause variants of the common cold, and others are variants like SARS ... but no one is tested for "coronavirus," unless you're referring to the generic reference for this current iteration - covid-19. If you're tested for SARS, for instance, you're tested for SARS, a coronavirus. So I'm not sure what you were tested for in mid-January.
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Ok. So my primary physician told/showed me I was tested for Coronavirus while in the hospital in my 2 week post hospital follow up and came up negative. So what did they test me for? I saw it on his computer screen and it said Coronavirus negative. He actually joked and said good thing you didn't have it.The test for COVID wasn't available then.
 
DingerzForDaze said:
Covid-19 IS a coronavirus. But many people, when referring to the current novel coronavirus causing this current health crisis, simply say "coronavirus." There are a number of coronaviruses floating out there all the time ... some cause variants of the common cold, and others are variants like SARS ... but no one is tested for "coronavirus," unless you're referring to the generic reference for this current iteration - covid-19. If you're tested for SARS, for instance, you're tested for SARS, a coronavirus. So I'm not sure what you were tested for in mid-January.
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To be technically accurate, COVID-19 is not a coronavirus, it is a disease. The virus that causes the disease is one of seven identified coronaviruses, specifically SARS-CoV-2.

If you want an analogy, think of AIDS and HIV. HIV is the virus that causes AIDS. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that causes COVID-19.
 
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PearlSUJam said:
Ok. So my primary physician told/showed me I was tested for Coronavirus while in the hospital in my 2 week post hospital follow up and came up negative. So what did they test me for? I saw it on his computer screen and it said Coronavirus negative. He actually joked and said good thing you didn't have it.The test for COVID wasn't available then.
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He could have been testing you for SARS and/or MERS, both of which are coronaviruses.
 
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Test for corona virus means that you have the virus in your system and test for Covid-19 is the antibody test?
 
lj4heisman1 said:
Test for corona virus means that you have the virus in your system and test for Covid-19 is the antibody test?
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Perhaps not in PearlSUJam's case since, I assume, that the test that he would have been given in a follow up session would likely have been for antibodies not for the virus.
 
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Test for corona virus means that you have the virus in your system and test for Covid-19 is the antibody test?
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Simple terms - PCR test usually deep nasal swab checking for the virus being present in the sample
IgM/IgG- blood drawn antibody test. IgM antibody peaks sooner in the infection phase, and IgG later in the infection phase.
 
I think it’s pretty clear that no one KNOWS when the first case happened in America. It’s all speculation. My house passed around something in February/March that was respiratory related. Wife had it hang Around for a month straight (she refused to take meds because she was breast feeding so that probably had something to do with it) and mine was bad for a week then lingered for 2 more. Hell, my 2 year old got it. Could have been a bad cold. Could have been corona. We have no idea and the only thing we can do is speculate if/until we get an antibody test.

it’s all speculation at this point.
 
nittanyfan333 said:
I think it’s pretty clear that no one KNOWS when the first case happened in America. It’s all speculation. My house passed around something in February/March that was respiratory related. Wife had it hang Around for a month straight (she refused to take meds because she was breast feeding so that probably had something to do with it) and mine was bad for a week then lingered for 2 more. Hell, my 2 year old got it. Could have been a bad cold. Could have been corona. We have no idea and the only thing we can do is speculate if/until we get an antibody test.

it’s all speculation at this point.
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Here it is if you're willing to pay $130.

https://questdirect.questdiagnostic...response/b580e541-78a5-48a6-b17b-7bad949dcb57
 
PearlSUJam said:
Ok. So my primary physician told/showed me I was tested for Coronavirus while in the hospital in my 2 week post hospital follow up and came up negative. So what did they test me for? I saw it on his computer screen and it said Corona negative. The test for COVID wasn't available then.
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Dunno. Maybe one of the resident docs can chime in on what that indicated.
 
wilbury said:
This article seems to make it pretty clear - it wasn't in the US until mid-February.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/virus-mutations-reveal-how-covid-19-really-spread1/
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There was a 30 year old man in Washington state who had recently traveled to Wuhan and tested positive on January 22. He recovered.
News reports described Santa Clara County, CA with no travel history who died from COVID February 6. If this is accurate, it means there was already some community transmission going on weeks before she died.
With the number of international travelers flying in and out of the US on a daily basis and what we know about it’s transmissibility, the prospect of it appearing before mid February is far more likely than not.
 
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