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WDLion, wanted to give you a shout to say THANK YOU! Question on Toftrees.....

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Actually arrived in record time - 5:03 from Archbold, OH to CC Peppers (exit 25 of Ohio Turnpike is Archbold. Our drive is 372 miles. We made really good time!
CC Peppers down Waddle to a Sheetz to fill up truck with gas before game. Easiest in I have had in years going Waddle to Toftrees to Fox Hollow. Pulled up with no back ups and parked in back portion of RV lots. In our seats by 6:00.

Toftree's question; What is that place? Is it a municipality? A very large development? Seemed like apartments, condos, hotels, meeting and community centers. Had always heard of the place, but never drove through it. Quite expansive. Guessing EXpensive also.

Anyone have a guess as to the number of RVs there this weekend? I took a shot at 600.

Thanks again, WDLion,

OL
 
Actually arrived in record time - 5:03 from Archbold, OH to CC Peppers (exit 25 of Ohio Turnpike is Archbold. Our drive is 372 miles. We made really good time!
CC Peppers down Waddle to a Sheetz to fill up truck with gas before game. Easiest in I have had in years going Waddle to Toftrees to Fox Hollow. Pulled up with no back ups and parked in back portion of RV lots. In our seats by 6:00.

Toftree's question; What is that place? Is it a municipality? A very large development? Seemed like apartments, condos, hotels, meeting and community centers. Had always heard of the place, but never drove through it. Quite expansive. Guessing EXpensive also.

Anyone have a guess as to the number of RVs there this weekend? I took a shot at 600.

Thanks again, WDLion,

OL
OL - Until WD chimes in, I can tell you a few things about Toftrees. I do not own property there but my best friend does.

I do not who the original developers were, but they really struck gold in the late 60's. It was really the first development outside State College Borough. They started with the golf course, which is very good. They had a resort hotel and the usual amenities, tennis, restaurants, etc.

Over time as PSU became more of a National university (thanks in no small part to some cranky guy who coached a little football), the place expanded. They built townhouses, apartment homes, and single-family homes.

It's pretty nice. You can't beat the location. But like anything else there are pluses and minuses. First of all there is a severe dearth of parking. You buy property there because you want convenience to the Stadium. So when you have a houseful of people in for the game - every one of your neighbors is doing the same thing, so there is no place to park.

The townhouses were built in the '70's with the low end construction materials and techniques of the time, so the owners today have higher than average maintenance. One thing I would like to see is a big tree removal program - the trees are way too dense around the buildings and you get a lot of debris and reduced life on your roof.

You have lots of apartment residents, young faculty, young professionals starting out. The equity properties, I'd say they are about 50-50 between year rounders and people who basically were in a position to buy a place for PSU activities. Many of them have a desire to return full time after they retire.

Average apartment rents are in a good range spread - $900 to $1500 plus. Townhouse properties are, IMO, high for what you get - average is in the neighborhood of $300 grand. Then again, all of the State College area has gotten very, very expensive. State College, Boalsburg, even Centre Hall average sales are $340 and up. Even if you are making low six figures, and a lot of people are, those kind of prices are a real stretch, unless you have a lot of equity built up in your present home. People do it of course, but me, I bought a small, easily affordable home and was able to bank fair cash through the years.
 
Actually arrived in record time - 5:03 from Archbold, OH to CC Peppers (exit 25 of Ohio Turnpike is Archbold. Our drive is 372 miles. We made really good time!
CC Peppers down Waddle to a Sheetz to fill up truck with gas before game. Easiest in I have had in years going Waddle to Toftrees to Fox Hollow. Pulled up with no back ups and parked in back portion of RV lots. In our seats by 6:00.

Toftree's question; What is that place? Is it a municipality? A very large development? Seemed like apartments, condos, hotels, meeting and community centers. Had always heard of the place, but never drove through it. Quite expansive. Guessing EXpensive also.

Anyone have a guess as to the number of RVs there this weekend? I took a shot at 600.

Thanks again, WDLion,

OL
I'm impressed with your average speed of 73.7 mph. That's outstanding considering toll booths, Troopers and the perpetual I-80 construction. Well done!!
 
Fox Chapel, thanks for the information. I would agree with both the parking and density of the trees. A lot of cars along the street, and a lot of "temporary order no parking" signs as well. It did have an older look to it, but would be a great location.

PPB, well, yes, I have been lucky for some 20 years driving back and forth to State College from Archbold. I live just under 5 miles from I-80/90 and then don't get off of i-80 until Woodland exit 126. Cruise at 78 in Ohiya and then use the pedal in PA. Doing 80 and getting passed in PA usually results in me bumping it up to a high cruising speed of 83.

Was just glad friends were home in Phillipsburgh for the good night's sleep.

OL
 
OL - Until WD chimes in, I can tell you a few things about Toftrees. I do not own property there but my best friend does.

I do not who the original developers were, but they really struck gold in the late 60's. It was really the first development outside State College Borough. They started with the golf course, which is very good. They had a resort hotel and the usual amenities, tennis, restaurants, etc.

Over time as PSU became more of a National university (thanks in no small part to some cranky guy who coached a little football), the place expanded. They built townhouses, apartment homes, and single-family homes.

It's pretty nice. You can't beat the location. But like anything else there are pluses and minuses. First of all there is a severe dearth of parking. You buy property there because you want convenience to the Stadium. So when you have a houseful of people in for the game - every one of your neighbors is doing the same thing, so there is no place to park.

The townhouses were built in the '70's with the low end construction materials and techniques of the time, so the owners today have higher than average maintenance. One thing I would like to see is a big tree removal program - the trees are way too dense around the buildings and you get a lot of debris and reduced life on your roof.

You have lots of apartment residents, young faculty, young professionals starting out. The equity properties, I'd say they are about 50-50 between year rounders and people who basically were in a position to buy a place for PSU activities. Many of them have a desire to return full time after they retire.

Average apartment rents are in a good range spread - $900 to $1500 plus. Townhouse properties are, IMO, high for what you get - average is in the neighborhood of $300 grand. Then again, all of the State College area has gotten very, very expensive. State College, Boalsburg, even Centre Hall average sales are $340 and up. Even if you are making low six figures, and a lot of people are, those kind of prices are a real stretch, unless you have a lot of equity built up in your present home. People do it of course, but me, I bought a small, easily affordable home and was able to bank fair cash through the years.

Toftrees is a planned residential community that's part of Patton Township and has a State College mailing address. The original plan (from the late 60s) called for single family homes, 2 and 3 story apartment buildings, and townhouses, all built around a hotel, restaurant, and golf course. The original developers were Phil Sieg and Alex Gregory (current owners are a local group spearheaded by Lance Shaner and Bob Poole). The concept was to develop the hotel and golf course as a destination resort. While the golf course has pretty much always been considered the best in the area, it never took off as a destination property (the course is currently managed by Marriott). The hotel has undergone a couple of renovations but is very much under need of a major overhaul (it's managed by the Shaner Group).

After the initial construction in the late 60s, early 70s, further development stalled for decades. Things took back off about 20 years ago with the development of the Village at Penn State, a retirement community built on property leased from the University and adjacent to Toftrees. Since then, several multi-family cluster style homes have gone up along Toftrees Avenue and some student housing has gone up (a new student housing project just broke ground along Toftrees Ave a couple of weeks ago). There is also a significant portion of land undeveloped just off the Toftrees exit on I99. There have been plans on the books for decades for a large planned community of homes and rental properties right there but nothing has ever come of it. Supposedly, development has been stalled awaiting expansion of the roadway at the highway exit. That bridge project just finished up this summer (the bridge was expanded from three lanes to six) so it wouldn't surprise me to see things get going there in the next couple of years.
 
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Thanks, UncleLar.

I wouldn't mind having extra time some visit and get a better look around there.

Does the team still stay at the hotel on home game Fridays?

OL

No. I think they stay at the Penn Stater.

They've redone the restaurant at the hotel. It's now called the Field and is an upscale burger joint. The burgers are pretty good, the fries are awesome (might be the best in town - right up there with Local Whiskey's), and they have a nice selection of local brews on tap (they also have awesome milkshakes - both hard and regular - made with Creamery ice cream). The place is packed most evenings which is something you couldn't say about their restaurant for decades.
 
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