What is the Zain rumor Dice? ###
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Yes, heard that 149 might be his weight next year. This guy usually knows whats going on, but stress that he said it's way early and he wasn't sure.
Still, not the first time he has heard something to this effect. And where there is smoke..... We saw a lot of smoke last year and it all turned into fire.
Still, not the first time he has heard something to this effect. And where there is smoke..... We saw a lot of smoke last year and it all turned into fire.
It's amazing how things change. A lot of people thought he was smallish for 141 last year. Must be hitting those weights. Oh well, at least he's not leaving or anything 
Nico 125
Conaway 133
Jimmy 141
Zain 149
Nolf 157
Hammond or ... 165
Bo 174
Mouse 184
Morgan 197
Neville hvy
Count on it !
Sorry about the guest appearance but season is almost over. Champs next year ! And for years to come ! Just my 2 cents !
Conaway 133
Jimmy 141
Zain 149
Nolf 157
Hammond or ... 165
Bo 174
Mouse 184
Morgan 197
Neville hvy
Count on it !
Sorry about the guest appearance but season is almost over. Champs next year ! And for years to come ! Just my 2 cents !
Welcome back JD. Stay here for those of us that want to hear what you have to say. Will Mouse be ready for Nationals? Lawson?
Not sure about last year but when Zain wrestled about a month ago didn't he go at 143? I thought I saw that somewhere, maybe Tom wrote that.
He was 143.3 for the Dave Schultz tourney on Jan. 30th.
This post was edited on 3/9 7:20 AM by CholleyVandine
This post was edited on 3/9 7:20 AM by CholleyVandine
That would be a dynamite lineup for next year, JD. But it means that we'd lose both Nico and JC. If this comes to pass, do we recruit two lightweights for the 2016 class (probably from among Red, Suriano, and Pletcher), or do we wrestle either Yanokovich or Carpenter in '16-'17 and bank on getting Lee in 2017? Either way, we'd be counting on true freshmen to come through.
If ZR ends up being the future 149#, were does Vincenzo Joseph fit in during the 2016-2017 season?
2015-2016
Nico 125
Conaway 133
Jimmy 141
Zain 149
Nolf 157
Hammond or ... 165
Bo 174
Mouse 184
Morgan 197
Neville hvy
2015-2016
Nico 125
Conaway 133
Jimmy 141
Zain 149
Nolf 157
Hammond or ... 165
Bo 174
Mouse 184
Morgan 197
Neville hvy
Cael knew that it would be a real possibility that ZR wouldn't be able to hold 141# throughout his collegiate career and that explains why PSU was recruiting Ke-Shawn Hayes MO so hard. PSU won't have any issues recruiting a 141#, I'd be curious who they plan on recruiting for that spot.
I think Nolf follows the path Taylor did. RS Freshman at 157; Cenzo is a RS. Nolf moves to 165 the following year and stays at 165 for his career; Cenzo moves into the 157 slot as a RS Freshman.
The larger concern is 125 and 133 after Nico and Jordan leave. Ideally the next potential starters at 125 and 133 would be entering Penn State academically this fall and take a RS. Those wrestlers are unknown as of today which increases the liklihood that whomever they are will be true freshman starters in both weights in the 2016/2017 season.
A more interesting question at this point is how do Manville and Stout fit into the lineup? I think Stout may go 184 if McCutcheon moves up to 197 or Stout replaces Morgan at 197. That leaves the question of where does Manville fit in? Perhaps Manville sees the same problem and is checking out Minnesota prospects?
Does Cael convince Franklin to let Jan Johnson back-up Nevills (assuming Johnson is still interested in wrestling)? The Nevills injury has to cause some level of concern for the future; so who is the back-up?
This post was edited on 3/9 8:53 AM by Lion-around
This post was edited on 3/9 9:10 AM by Lion-around
The larger concern is 125 and 133 after Nico and Jordan leave. Ideally the next potential starters at 125 and 133 would be entering Penn State academically this fall and take a RS. Those wrestlers are unknown as of today which increases the liklihood that whomever they are will be true freshman starters in both weights in the 2016/2017 season.
A more interesting question at this point is how do Manville and Stout fit into the lineup? I think Stout may go 184 if McCutcheon moves up to 197 or Stout replaces Morgan at 197. That leaves the question of where does Manville fit in? Perhaps Manville sees the same problem and is checking out Minnesota prospects?
Does Cael convince Franklin to let Jan Johnson back-up Nevills (assuming Johnson is still interested in wrestling)? The Nevills injury has to cause some level of concern for the future; so who is the back-up?
This post was edited on 3/9 8:53 AM by Lion-around
This post was edited on 3/9 9:10 AM by Lion-around
I hope Joseph gets in the lineup after his RS season because he's a talent that needs to be in the lineup.
"A more interesting question at this point is how do Manville and Stout fit into the lineup? I think Stout may go 184 if McCutcheon moves up to 197 or Stout replaces Morgan at 197. That leaves the question of where does Manville fit in? Perhaps Manville sees the same problem and is checking out Minnesota prospects?
Does Cael convince Franklin to let Jan Johnson back-up Nevills (assuming Johnson is still interested in wrestling)? The Nevills injury has to cause some level of concern for the future; so who is the back-up? "
Strictly my guesses - Nickal replaces Brown at 174 next year, then moves to 184. Cutch and Stout compete to replace Smack at 197, and Manville/Hammond/Rasheed compete for 174. Cassar follows the Ruggear route and backs up Nevills; along with (hopefully) another heavyweight (walkon or little scholly money) from the 2015 class.
EDIT - forgot about Phipps. He may have to back up Smack next year if Cassar moves to 285, then compete with Cutch and/or Stout in '16-'17
This post was edited on 3/9 12:24 PM by Maddog
Does Cael convince Franklin to let Jan Johnson back-up Nevills (assuming Johnson is still interested in wrestling)? The Nevills injury has to cause some level of concern for the future; so who is the back-up? "
Strictly my guesses - Nickal replaces Brown at 174 next year, then moves to 184. Cutch and Stout compete to replace Smack at 197, and Manville/Hammond/Rasheed compete for 174. Cassar follows the Ruggear route and backs up Nevills; along with (hopefully) another heavyweight (walkon or little scholly money) from the 2015 class.
EDIT - forgot about Phipps. He may have to back up Smack next year if Cassar moves to 285, then compete with Cutch and/or Stout in '16-'17
This post was edited on 3/9 12:24 PM by Maddog
Re: TY for your info!
Gulibon had trouble making weight all last year, seems to be doing better this year, but is two years older than when he was having trouble. I know he tends to look small out there, but I think that is more a function of his build - specifically, shoulder breadth and arm size. He would probably be fine with an offseason to get there.
Conaway - you might be right. He looks about perfect as a 125. I think Nico could go to 133 with no issues at all and compete for a NC.
I don't know if I agree with this. JD says Zain is 157 currently - he is also in competition shape and ripped. 16 pounds is not out of whack with college drops, but considering Zain's physique - it's going to involve either quite a bit of muscle loss or some dehydration. I know some will come on here with tales of the "good old days" but 1) the weighin rules are different, and 2) there are studies out there specifically targeted for wrestling that a 7% loss of body weight over 24 hours will result in an average reduction of 20% in cardiovascular performance - we know better now. I know he wrestled at 143.3 a few weeks ago, but that is a 1 weighin tournament with plenty of recovery time. You do that over a season and it's a whole different ball game. I would say that Zain is probably pretty large for a 141 right now, maybe a bit undersized for a 149.
Gulibon had trouble making weight all last year, seems to be doing better this year, but is two years older than when he was having trouble. I know he tends to look small out there, but I think that is more a function of his build - specifically, shoulder breadth and arm size. He would probably be fine with an offseason to get there.
Conaway - you might be right. He looks about perfect as a 125. I think Nico could go to 133 with no issues at all and compete for a NC.
If Freddie Rodriguez is the light weight target he would be a good one. Former top 100 guy, just won 125 NJCAAs after being ranked #1 all season for Iowa Lakes.
Ellsworth (also in Iowa) also had a former top 100 guy DeShun Brown that would be a great addition. Brown is talented and just didn't really turned it on until the NJCAAs, I think he was ranked 6th. He finished 2nd to Freddie.
Ellsworth (also in Iowa) also had a former top 100 guy DeShun Brown that would be a great addition. Brown is talented and just didn't really turned it on until the NJCAAs, I think he was ranked 6th. He finished 2nd to Freddie.
Re: TY for your info!
ZR may have bulked up, but last year he clearly looked significantly smaller then basically every guy he wrestled. I'm just surprised that he may go 149, as I would not have expected that after seeing him last season. I just can't wait for him to be back next year!!!!!!
ZR may have bulked up, but last year he clearly looked significantly smaller then basically every guy he wrestled. I'm just surprised that he may go 149, as I would not have expected that after seeing him last season. I just can't wait for him to be back next year!!!!!!
Re: TY for your info!
I think that's the point. Zain looked smaller at 141 because he doesn't cut much weight. He got bigger and still doesn't want to cut much weight...hence the theoretical move to 149. He knows himself best and how he wrestles cutting or not.
I think that's the point. Zain looked smaller at 141 because he doesn't cut much weight. He got bigger and still doesn't want to cut much weight...hence the theoretical move to 149. He knows himself best and how he wrestles cutting or not.
Re: Zain, Sorensen, Steiber and Tsirtisis....
On the positive side, if he he were to finish atop 149, he likely outscores Hunter and Sorenson by 4-7 team points, whereas Beitz would be a big surprise to finish within 3-4 points of them. That could be a good h2h advantage if it works out.
At this point I just hope for no serious injuries and await seeing it play out. I like watching Beitz anyway.
On the positive side, if he he were to finish atop 149, he likely outscores Hunter and Sorenson by 4-7 team points, whereas Beitz would be a big surprise to finish within 3-4 points of them. That could be a good h2h advantage if it works out.
At this point I just hope for no serious injuries and await seeing it play out. I like watching Beitz anyway.
Re: TY for your info!
Assuming though that Nico returns to the line-up, I see Nico, Gulibon, Zane, Bietz > Nico, Conaway, Gulibon, Zane.
While Zane makes us stronger at 149, we get weaker at 133 and 141, IMO.
This post was edited on 3/9 9:20 PM by jack66
I'm looking at it from a strength of line-up perspective only. I don't know the particulars on how much each guy will have to cut. If the cut to 141 is too much for Zane, then I'm all for him bumping up ... it is what it is.
Assuming though that Nico returns to the line-up, I see Nico, Gulibon, Zane, Bietz > Nico, Conaway, Gulibon, Zane.
While Zane makes us stronger at 149, we get weaker at 133 and 141, IMO.
This post was edited on 3/9 9:20 PM by jack66
Rodriguez graduated several years ago. He was a High School phenom! Then disappeared for a few years, rumors of MMA and coaching and then resurfaced last year on the JUCO scene. He must be at least 23-24 years old?
