What Joe deserves...

[#1 Nittany in VA]

I've seen "The People's Joe" and attended the Grand Experiment showing where the former lettermen talk about Joe. Both excellent, but both incomplete IMO.

I did not watch the HBO story last night. I will not. It's garbage.

What we need is a 90 minute to 2 hour documentary that covers everything the guy did right from 1950 to 2011. From the family stories of salad bar stealing to returning university pencils to the FBI investigation in the late 70s and his concern for former players to the handling of guys like Enis and Engram. There are 100 other stories that need to be detailed for the public to see.

That is what we need. Joe deserves that much.

 

[Phil's Rug]

It won't matter, those that have already made up their minds will shit all over it.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

What Joe deserves is for the BOT to resign, the President to denounce the Freeh Report, the University to apologize to Sue and the family for firing him and to return his statue to it’s home at Beaver Stadium.

That would be a good start!

 

[#1 Nittany in VA]

What Joe deserves is for the BOT to resign, the President to denounce the Freeh Report, the University to apologize to Sue and the family for firing him and to return his statue to it’s home at Beaver Stadium.

That would be a good start!

Illinois....so right, but I ponder if we ever get that. I won't donate another dollar until they do as you say. I once thought PSU would be the school I wanted all my kids to attend. That died when the school turned their back on Joe.

 

[michnittlion]

How does this documentary end?

You could end it like this: "on October 29, 2011, Joe Paterno won his 409th career football game, setting an all-time record for D-1 coaches. A couple weeks later, he was diagnosed with cancer and sadly he died on January 22, 2012."

But there was a reason that Joe never got a chance for win number 410. A biography of the man which doesn't address that point is incomplete.

 

[BobPSU92]

It won't matter, those that have already made up their minds will shit all over it.

It's not about them. It would be for Penn Staters.

 

[#1 Nittany in VA]

It's not about them. It would be for Penn Staters.

For me, it's for everybody. Given the media portrayal, the movie portrayal, the opportunity to show the complete man. Have not just Penn Staters testify to who Joe was but also those who are not blue/white and respected him as a person.

I had the chance in Baltimore to sit with Lenny Moore and Lydell Mitchell after the Joe We Know showings. Two guys who most know from the NFL but their testimony of Joe at that table deserves to be shown. I'll never forget Mr. Moore making sure I could drive my son home safely. A 35 year old white guy with a 10 year old son driving home to Richmond, here this all time great wanted to make sure we were ok. I think if I would have hesitated he would have taken care of us. That is Joe's influence on them as people.

 

[BobPSU92]

For me, it's for everybody. Given the media portrayal, the movie portrayal, the opportunity to show the complete man. Have not just Penn Staters testify to who Joe was but also those who are not blue/white and respected him as a person.

I had the chance in Baltimore to sit with Lenny Moore and Lydell Mitchell after the Joe We Know showings. Two guys who most know from the NFL but their testimony of Joe at that table deserves to be shown. I'll never forget Mr. Moore making sure I could drive my son home safely. A 35 year old white guy with a 10 year old son driving home to Richmond, here this all time great wanted to make sure we were ok. I think if I would have hesitated he would have taken care of us. That is Joe's influence on them as people.

What I mean is I don't care what outsiders who need Joe to be evil think. If such a documentary were made, sure, market it to them to try to educate them. Hopefully they would watch it. However, I am not naive enough to believe that it would change many opinions. Many people have made up their mind, and not because of the children.

 

[indynittany]

It's the university that refuses to rewrite the narrative.

 

[Nitt1300]

What I mean is I don't care what outsiders who need Joe to be evil think. If such a documentary were made, sure, market it to them to try to educate them. Hopefully they would watch it. However, I am not naive enough to believe that it would change many opinions. Many people have made up their mind, and not because of the children.

+1. We live in a world where most everyone has strongly held beliefs based on whatever "facts" they prefer. There is so much noise out there that actual open and honest discussion is a very rare commodity indeed.

 

[razpsu]

I love though how all the haters kept their mouths shut and enabled Harvey Weinstein. But they are heroes for now saying something!!! Too funny the double standard out there

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I love though how all the haters kept their mouths shut and enabled Harvey Weinstein. But they are heroes for now saying something!!! Too funny the double standard out there

Yeah Hollywood feigns outrage over this story; meanwhile they lauded Kevin Spacey as an acting genius and give standing ovations to Roman Polanski. Is it any wonder the movie is all about Paterno and not at all about Sandusky?

 

[PSU65]

What Joe deserves is for the BOT to resign, the President to denounce the Freeh Report, the University to apologize to Sue and the family for firing him and to return his statue to it’s home at Beaver Stadium.

That would be a good start!

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^ And I might add that if this were to happen, I'd again feel good about Penn State and about donating money.

 

[Gnat91]

 

[Alphalion75]

It won't matter, those that have already made up their minds will shit all over it.

A truthful documentary would not be done for those people.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

I think we should start a few more threads about the movie to give it even more attention.

 

[zzang]

I for one know nothing about joe before 2004 except he was a good coach. Maybe the greatest.

I would love to see a documentary like that. I have no clue about any of those stories.

 

[Osprey Lion]

What Joe deserves is for the BOT to resign, the President to denounce the Freeh Report, the University to apologize to Sue and the family for firing him and to return his statue to it’s home at Beaver Stadium.

That would be a good start!

I believe Johnny Mathis said that your request will happen on the 12th.

 

[Osprey Lion]

I for one know nothing about joe before 2004 except he was a good coach. Maybe the greatest.

I would love to see a documentary like that. I have no clue about any of those stories.

If you take the number of people who watched "Paterno" on HBO and divided by 1000, that
would be the audience for the documentary you would like to see.

 

[pandaczar12]

If you take the number of people who watched "Paterno" on HBO and divided by 1000, that
would be the audience for the documentary you would like to see.

If you take your number of likes, and divided by 1000, that would be the number of people who care about your opinion.

 

[littlebluetrike]

The only people who would watch, or even care, about such a documentary are people who have made up their minds that Joe is a completely innocent bystander in all this. They are the only ones who seem to care about his legacy. It won’t change any minds. I could be wrong but I’d be surprised if the HBO movie gets great ratings. Most people don’t really care outside of the PSU world. So, someone can make a documentary but i think few would tune in.

 

[BobPSU92]

The only people who would watch, or even care, about such a documentary are people who have made up their minds that Joe is a completely innocent bystander in all this. They are the only ones who seem to care about his legacy. It won’t change any minds. I could be wrong but I’d be surprised if the HBO movie gets great ratings. Most people don’t really care outside of the PSU world. So, someone can make a documentary but i think few would tune in.

Thanks in advance for f*cking yourself.

 

[PSU2UNC]

How does this documentary end?

You could end it like this: "on October 29, 2011, Joe Paterno won his 409th career football game, setting an all-time record for D-1 coaches. A couple weeks later, he was diagnosed with cancer and sadly he died on January 22, 2012."

But there was a reason that Joe never got a chance for win number 410. A biography of the man which doesn't address that point is incomplete.

I'd be happy to write a text scroll (Star Wars style) to play after fade to black.

How about:

"Joe Paterno's on the field record of 409 wins will likely never be broken, but it is the off the field accomplishments of his players of which he was most proud. Shortly after the final scene of this film, Paterno was unfairly scapegoated in criminal proceedings against a former coach. Despite being praised by the Attorney General for his testimony in the matter and never being charged with a crime, Paterno was abruptly fired from his position at PSU in 2011. He died from lung cancer a short time later, but "Success with Honor" lives on."

 

[Osprey Lion]

The only people who would watch, or even care, about such a documentary are people who have made up their minds that Joe is a completely innocent bystander in all this. They are the only ones who seem to care about his legacy. It won’t change any minds. I could be wrong but I’d be surprised if the HBO movie gets great ratings. Most people don’t really care outside of the PSU world. So, someone can make a documentary but i think few would tune in.

The only people who would care are the cult members. Most of who Joe "mentored" even
though they never met him.

 

[psugisher]

I doubt the rating was very good for the Paterno movie. An awful lot of Penn Staters weren't going to watch it. I'm trying to figure out what people home on a Saturday night would want to put themselves through a movie like that? The topic is awful. Maybe fans of Al Pacino would put it on. I'm curious about the reaction to it, but there's not really any way I can bring myself to watch. Feels like it's been a real life 7 year movie with everything that's happened.

 

[razpsu]

That ending scene was totally bull and Levinson for all of his “neutral”. biased!!!! Opinion came out and steered the audience with an omg ending.

Omg so he did know all along and his career was really bs. He let this guy work for him for twenty more years so he could be successful.

That is what people watching will take away from this. Watching this I was sick to my stomach. Some questions the family was saying or people were saying is why did the police do nothing etc. but the main focus was with joe. plus some of this stuff was when paterno was alone which again was the director putting his own spin on it. Creative licensing and obviously his biased views kicked in. I thought Pacino was pretty good on his mimicking paterno although they showed him very frail.

I was talking to someone from Georgia and about msu etc and the fact that know one their is even close to the level of paterno is why they didn’t do anything and plus the over reaction about paterno instead of now the reaction to the creep who did it which was Nassar.

 

[denniskembala]

Did anyone watch the poop, and what happened?

 

[Madsol]

The only people who would care are the cult members. Most of who Joe "mentored" even
though they never met him.

Love it that Joe still gets under your skin even though he's been dead for 6 years. Hope it keeps up for a long, long time.

 

[pandaczar12]

That ending scene was totally bull and Levinson for all of his “neutral”. biased!!!! Opinion came out and steered the audience with an omg ending.

In a rational world, the reporter questions the 70s victim and the entire case against PSU starts to unravel. I'm sure that is where Paterno Part 2 will pick up.

Omg so he did know all along and his career was really bs. He let this guy work for him for twenty more years so he could be successful.

I realize the movie was trying to basically say that all this stuff happened but Joe was too focused on the success of his team to notice. But JS was the linebackers coach when the first allegation occurred, and he had not yet started his charity. He was nobody. If Joe was really so laser focused on his team's success, common sense says you get rid of the lowly linebackers coach ASAP.

 

[littlebluetrike]

A good friend of mine sat with Joe, at his bedside, after he was fired. He was ill but still in his home. I didn't ask my friend to share the conversation as that was private. But the one thing he did share was, when he told Joe he was sorry for all that he was going through, Joe's response was to not feel sorry for him. I wonder if Joe had found some peace. I lived on the same street as the Paternos and my husband is same age as Jay, went through school together. Joe was so pragmatic, which I'm sometimes not, so it hard to imagine what his thoughts were.