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What the FBI thinks caused the train crash near Philly.

Someone threw a Baltimore rock and hit the engineer window

and in an instant knocked the engineer unconscious ; Baltimore

rocks were big. (Hence the crash)


From what I have read I think that is what the FB I thinks.



Freeh farted a two point freep.
 
Someone threw a Baltimore rock and hit the engineer window

and in an instant knocked the engineer unconscious ; Baltimore

rocks were big. (Hence the crash)


From what I have read I think that is what the FB I thinks.
Then why is Amtrak taking full responsibilty for the crash? And why was the train traveling at twice the speed limit at the time of the crash? Wouldn't there be a deadman's switch that would cause the train to come to a halt if the driver was unconscious? And if the driver was unconscious in Baltimore why did the accident not happen until the train got to Philadelphia? And if the driver was unconscious, why did the train suddenly speed up right before the crash?

And I doubt that you could throw a rock through a train window from a distance and still have enough velocity to knock the driver unconscious. Dropping a rock from an overpass would be a different matter but that's not what you wrote.
 
So what's the theory on the speed (106 in a 50)? Did the engineer panic thinking someone had shot at the train and floor it to get out of there?
 
Someone threw a Baltimore rock and hit the engineer window

and in an instant knocked the engineer unconscious ; Baltimore

rocks were big. (Hence the crash)


From what I have read I think that is what the FB I thinks.
Nothing like some classy fatal accident humor.
 
So what's the theory on the speed (106 in a 50)? Did the engineer panic thinking someone had shot at the train and floor it to get out of there?
The thrown object theory doesn't add up for me. And a train isn't like a car in which you can push the gas pedal and get to 100+ MPH in a few seconds. Maybe someone with a railroad background can tell us how long it would take for a train to accelerate to 100 MPH if it was already traveling at 70 MPH, for example.
 
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If the train was traveling at 70 mph, it wouldn't take more than 20 seconds to get to 100 mph. If the engineer was knocked out, he may have fell forward and opened the throttle. The engineer did throw on the brakes, but it was too late. We're not talking about him being out for a long time.
I'm sure they're going over the forward cameras and the black box info to see what makes sense. They were recovered early.

According to news sources, what put them onto the rock theory is one of the SEPTA trains had a front window broken yesterday. They weren't sure if it was a rock or a bullet on the SEPTA.
 
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Then why is Amtrak taking full responsibilty for the crash? And why was the train traveling at twice the speed limit at the time of the crash? Wouldn't there be a deadman's switch that would cause the train to come to a halt if the driver was unconscious? And if the driver was unconscious in Baltimore why did the accident not happen until the train got to Philadelphia? And if the driver was unconscious, why did the train suddenly speed up right before the crash?

And I doubt that you could throw a rock through a train window from a distance and still have enough velocity to knock the driver unconscious. Dropping a rock from an overpass would be a different matter but that's not what you wrote.

Does it ever occur to you that maybe you should STFU when you don't know what you're talking about?

No one knows how this is going to play out, but the Feds are indeed looking at the possibility that a projectile was thrown/launched at the train. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/16/us-usa-train-derailment-idUSKBN0NZ18Z20150516

And FWIW, I don't think that it's very helpful to call it a "Baltimore rock." We have no idea who threw/launched the projectile.
 
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Does it ever occur to you that maybe you should STFU when you don't know what you're talking about?

No one knows how this is going to play out, but the Feds are indeed looking at the possibility that a projectile was thrown/launched at the train.

Moron.
Since, over the years, I've handled four railroad crossing accidents and about a half-dozen FELA suits, I daresay I know infinitely more about how trains operate than you do.

I know my mere existence on this board bugs the hell out of you and that thought gives me great pleasure.
 
Since, over the years, I've handled four railroad crossing accidents and about a half-dozen FELA suits, I daresay I know infinitely more about how trains operate than you do.

I know my mere existence on this board bugs the hell out of you and that thought gives me great pleasure.

Well, since you were unaware that the Feds are examining the projectile angle, you clearly don't know much about THIS SPECIFIC ACCIDENT.
 
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It took roughly one minute to accelerate from 70 to roughly 106. Nothing in the engr's history suggests recklessness, and if he were suicidal, why hit the brake? second thoughts? who knows.

The possibility that he was knocked unconscious for that minute, woke, realized the situation, and hit the brake... is certainly worth pursuing. I think I'll wait a good bit longer before passing judgment.

And since you can remote control cars and planes (plenty of intel there), why not a train (and when i ask "why not" it's because i don't know if that is technically possible with that particular system -- which was older).
 
If the train was traveling at 70 mph, it wouldn't take more than 20 seconds to get to 100 mph. If the engineer was knocked out, he may have fell forward and opened the throttle. The engineer did throw on the brakes, but it was too late. We're not talking about him being out for a long time.
I'm sure they're going over the forward cameras and the black box info to see what makes sense. They were recovered early.

According to news sources, what put them onto the rock theory is one of the SEPTA trains had a front window broken yesterday. They weren't sure if it was a rock or a bullet on the SEPTA.
Isn't the opposite true? Doesn't the switch require constant positive pressure from the operator? If the pressure is relieved due to the operator losing consciousness (typically due to a heart attack or stroke, hence dead man's switch) power is cut off to the wheels. This technology has been around for over a hundred years (you have it on your lawn mower).
 
It took roughly one minute to accelerate from 70 to roughly 106. Nothing in the engr's history suggests recklessness, and if he were suicidal, why hit the brake? second thoughts? who knows.

The possibility that he was knocked unconscious for that minute, woke, realized the situation, and hit the brake... is certainly worth pursuing. I think I'll wait a good bit longer before passing judgment.

And since you can remote control cars and planes (plenty of intel there), why not a train (and when i ask "why not" it's because i don't know if that is technically possible with that particular system -- which was older).


Interesting post N&B4PSU, especially the remote idea. Of course my OP just suggested that the FBI thought a projectile (big rock like they threw in
Baltimore riots) could be a cause but they still are investigating.
 
Interesting post N&B4PSU, especially the remote idea. Of course my OP just suggested that the FBI thought a projectile (big rock like they threw in
Baltimore riots) could be a cause but they still are investigating.

Why do you keep bringing Baltimore into this?
 
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...t-Amtrak-188-Before-Derailment-303949671.html

It is not humor, it is what the FBI is thinking; an object, rather large shattered the
glass window the engineer looks out of. (I used the Baltimore rock analogy because they
threw big rock chunks in the Baltimore riots....; NOT that a rock hit the engineer in Baltimore
and made him crash in Philly.


Where do you come up with Baltimore? They think the rock hit the train in PHILLY. A SEPTA train(Philly) reported being hit with a rock 10 minutes earlier on the same tracks.
 
OK forget the analogy with Baltimore and big rocks being thrown...just think of a big rock
thrown by a thug.

We don't know that. We know that the Feds are examining the possibility that a projectile (type undetermined) may have hit the train cab.

Speculation about the type of projectile and who may be responsible is worthless.
 
Isn't the opposite true? Doesn't the switch require constant positive pressure from the operator? If the pressure is relieved due to the operator losing consciousness (typically due to a heart attack or stroke, hence dead man's switch) power is cut off to the wheels. This technology has been around for over a hundred years (you have it on your lawn mower).


What guarantees the pressure will stop if the operator loses consciousness? Maybe the pressure can be increased if the driver loses consciousness causing the speed to increase.
 
What guarantees the pressure will stop if the operator loses consciousness? Maybe the pressure can be increased if the driver loses consciousness causing the speed to increase.
"A dead man's switch is a safety feature integrated into many machines which works to turn the machine off if the operator experiences a problem. As the name implies, it will turn a machine off even if the operator dies, but such devices will also turn off the engine if the operator becomes incapacitated. In many cases, such switches can also function when the operator is harassed or disrupted, as might be the case with a train operator being bothered by passengers.

There are a number of different styles of dead man's switch, but all of them require some sort of input from the operator. When the operator stops interacting with the switch, a signal is sent to cut the engine, thereby turning the machine off and applying the brakes, if applicable. While not an ideal fail-safe, this measure can prevent loss of life and property damage.

In a classic version, the switch is located on a lever or bar that the operator must maintain constant contact with. On a lawnmower, for example, users must hold the handle of the lawnmower in position to keep the engine on. A dead man's switch can also be a button or pedal which must be held down to keep the machine turned on, and some advanced systems use touch sensors which rely on very light pressure of hands or feet."

If the pressure can be increased by then operator passing out, then's it's a poorly designed switch.
 
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Then why is Amtrak taking full responsibilty for the crash? And why was the train traveling at twice the speed limit at the time of the crash? Wouldn't there be a deadman's switch that would cause the train to come to a halt if the driver was unconscious? And if the driver was unconscious in Baltimore why did the accident not happen until the train got to Philadelphia? And if the driver was unconscious, why did the train suddenly speed up right before the crash?

And I doubt that you could throw a rock through a train window from a distance and still have enough velocity to knock the driver unconscious. Dropping a rock from an overpass would be a different matter but that's not what you wrote.
 
Not sure why the reference to Baltimore was necessary here.

It would seem if a rock was coming at a train at ten miles an hr and the train was going 70 miles an hr toward the on coming rock, the rock would hit the window /train engineer as if it were going 80 miles an hr enough to knock out the driver and do damage.
 
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A dead man's switch is a safety feature integrated into many machines which works to turn the machine off if the operator experiences a problem. As the name implies, it will turn a machine off even if the operator dies, but such devices will also turn off the engine if the operator becomes incapacitated. In many cases, such switches can also function when the operator is harassed or disrupted, as might be the case with a train operator being bothered by passengers.

There are a number of different styles of dead man's switch, but all of them require some sort of input from the operator. When the operator stops interacting with the switch, a signal is sent to cut the engine, thereby turning the machine off and applying the brakes, if applicable. While not an ideal fail-safe, this measure can prevent loss of life and property damage.

In a classic version, the switch is located on a lever or bar that the operator must maintain constant contact with. On a lawnmower, for example, users must hold the handle of the lawnmower in position to keep the engine on. A dead man's switch can also be a button or pedal which must be held down to keep the machine turned on, and some advanced systems use touch sensors which rely on very light pressure of hands or feet."

If the pressure can be increased by then operator passing out, then's it's a poorly designed switch.

Not necessarily. It depends on he specific dead man's switch. Some are simply pressure activated and as long as there is pressure they machine runs. An unconscious person can apply pressure. The driver is even implying he might have passed out. The train did not stop did it?
 
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