Who is the best Wrestler today in D1?

[dunkej01]

go to 17 min mark of latest FRL

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...n-everything-nolf-the-best-in-d1#.WLCQIlUrJhE

spyker who wins in the room?

 

[Rhino80]

Kyle Snyder

 

[LemonPie]

Snyder. Though I would love to see Nolf at 70KG after a couple years training FS

 

[Cowbell Man]

Good to know Pyles and Saylor know the rules........regarding qualification for NCAAs, re: Suriano. Everyone should know by now...including talking about Schlatter....that you HAVE to wrestle the qualifying event (conference championship) in order to participate in NCAA. C'mon guys....


OMG. I have to turn them off. Pyles "just did the calculations" and Dean is more dominant than Nolf.

Unless you just look at the NCAA's list, where Nolf is ahead of Dean....and so is Rutherford.

 

[El-Jefe]

OMG. I have to turn them off. Pyles "just did the calculations" and Dean is more dominant than Nolf.

Unless you just look at the NCAA's list, where Nolf is ahead of Dean....and so is Rutherford.

But he did a 2-hr analysis.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Snyder. Though I would love to see Nolf at 70KG after a couple years training FS

Why would he wrestler 70 kg and not 74 kg when 70 kg is not an Olympic Weight Class?

 

[Ja1339]

Good to know Pyles and Saylor know the rules........regarding qualification for NCAAs, re: Suriano. Everyone should know by now...including talking about Schlatter....that you HAVE to wrestle the qualifying event (conference championship) in order to participate in NCAA. C'mon guys....


OMG. I have to turn them off. Pyles "just did the calculations" and Dean is more dominant than Nolf.

Unless you just look at the NCAA's list, where Nolf is ahead of Dean....and so is Rutherford.

Hoping the Bo victory in the finals makes this debate irrelevant.

 

[Real-Lion]

Why would he wrestler 70 kg and not 74 kg when 70 kg is not an Olympic Weight Class?

Nolf will be going for Gold at 74 for the USA.....

 

[Real-Lion]

go to 17 min mark of latest FRL

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...n-everything-nolf-the-best-in-d1#.WLCQIlUrJhE

spyker who wins in the room?

Bo is going to beat Dean and i don't think it will be that close....You should see him wrestling DT and you would agree....

 

[LemonPie]

Why would he wrestler 70 kg and not 74 kg when 70 kg is not an Olympic Weight Class?

I suppose he can grow into it, but looked pretty small last summer.

 

[PSU James]

Nolf will be going for Gold at 74 for the USA.....

I would think Nolf needs to add a lot more muscle to compete internationally and is that something he could do with all the talent in PSU. Would he move up and boot out Joseph.

 

[NittanyLion84]

go to 17 min mark of latest FRL

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...n-everything-nolf-the-best-in-d1#.WLCQIlUrJhE

spyker who wins in the room?

Depends on whether we are talking Free or Folk.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Do we even know if Jason aspires to wrestle beyond college? Maybe he will want to hang it up and move on to other dreams...

 

[WildTurk]

Kyle Snyder is a man among boys. He gets my vote.

 

[El-Jefe]

Snyder. Though I would love to see Nolf at 70KG after a couple years training FS

Short-term goal of gaining international experience when 74 kg is cluttered with Burroughs, Dake, Ringer, Martinez, etc , while he's undersized makes sense. 70 kg is only 3 lb lighter than his current NCAA weight class.

Long term other issues: rumors of weight classes being re-evaluated; he could and probably will lift his way out of 70 kg in a couple years; and OBTW 70 kg not an Olympic weight.

 

[Stanley75]

Imar would be in the conversation.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

1a) Snyder
1b) Dean
1c) Nickal
1d) IMar
1e) Nolf
1f) Zain
1g) Cox

 

[Lyco1990]

Snyder period. Defending NCAA, World and Olympic champ. Never happened before.

 

[Real-Lion]

1a) Snyder
1b) Dean
1c) Nickal
1d) IMar
1e) Nolf
1f) Zain
1g) Cox

Bo should definitley be ahead of Dean....

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Bo should definitley be ahead of Dean....

Bo will be ahead of Dean when he beats him (definitely looking forward to that match). Until then, Dean's 2 NCs and another dominant season (so far) keeps him higher on the list.

 

[matter7172]

Not the biggest fan of Snyder. Too much weakness in the top position and not enough of a pinner. I have to respect his success, obviously, but having a huge hole at one of the three positions makes me feel about as warm about watching him as as watching anyone play the takedown game with nothing else thrown in. Imar and Cox are two guys who, too often, do what is necessary to win a decision and no more. Although Imar does pile up on lesser guys.

Yep, I'm old school and value pinning at the pinnacle of wrestling. I have Dean, Bo, Nolf and Zain at the top of those 7 because of their pinning prowess this season. We are talking about 7 undefeated wrestlers, so we have to parse them in some fashion. I am a huge fan of the NCAA Most Dominant index. You can pretty much use that for me.

Imagine if we went back to the team scoring from 40 years ago. You would need two Snyders to equal one Dean, Bo, Nolf and Zain and we'd be looking at this a lot differently. Of course, Snyder may have actually worked on the top position in that case.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Snyder period. Defending NCAA, World and Olympic champ. Never happened before.

Wasn't Uetake of OSU all 3 of those in college?

 

[ev_flores0331]

Not the biggest fan of Snyder. Too much weakness in the top position and not enough of a pinner. I have to respect his success, obviously, but having a huge hole at one of the three positions makes me feel about as warm about watching him as as watching anyone play the takedown game with nothing else thrown in. Imar and Cox are two guys who, too often, do what is necessary to win a decision and no more. Although Imar does pile up on lesser guys.

Yep, I'm old school and value pinning at the pinnacle of wrestling. I have Dean, Bo, Nolf and Zain at the top of those 7 because of their pinning prowess this season. We are talking about 7 undefeated wrestlers, so we have to parse them in some fashion. I am a huge fan of the NCAA Most Dominant index. You can pretty much use that for me.

Imagine if we went back to the team scoring from 40 years ago. You would need two Snyders to equal one Dean, Bo, Nolf and Zain and we'd be looking at this a lot differently. Of course, Snyder may have actually worked on the top position in that case.

Unlike Taylor and Nolf, right?

 

[matter7172]

Unlike Taylor and Nolf, right?

I think Taylor and Nolf pile(d) up against better guys, too. At least they were looking to do so - if not 100% of the time, then 99% of the time.

 

[SRATH]

Snyder
Cox

Rest of field. Lots of potential, but guys who won Olympic medals are on another level in my humble opinion.
Cox may only have a bronze but he can sing the Natonal Anthem and that counts in my book.

 

[El-Jefe]

Not the biggest fan of Snyder. Too much weakness in the top position and not enough of a pinner. I have to respect his success, obviously, but having a huge hole at one of the three positions makes me feel about as warm about watching him as as watching anyone play the takedown game with nothing else thrown in.

This is like not being the biggest fan of Kate Upton because of the color of her bikini.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Snyder period. Defending NCAA, World and Olympic champ. Never happened before.

But it's most dominant NCAA wrestler, not most dominant NCAA, World, and Olympic wrestler.

 

[Cowbell Man]

I think Taylor and Nolf pile(d) up against better guys, too. At least they were looking to do so - if not 100% of the time, then 99% of the time.

Good Lord. DT was a Pin away from pinning his way through the NCAA tourney. He TF'd the final. Where did Flores come up with that comparison. DT was definitely a Pinner and is second on our all time list.

 

[psualt]

Unlike Taylor and Nolf, right?

Taylor's opponents repeatedly turtled up underneath to avoid the 5 pt tech fall. Unfortunately, the refs never hit them with stalling.

 

[NittanyLion84]

But it's most dominant NCAA wrestler, not most dominant NCAA, World, and Olympic wrestler.

You are wasting your time, with that very logical argument.

 

[JOESTROSSER]

Kyle Snyder is a man among boys. He gets my vote.

I'm a PSU homer, but he gets my vote as well.

 

[Ranger Dan]

You are wasting your time, with that very logical argument.

Snyder still may be the most dominant (best) NCAA wrestler, but the fact that he did those other things is irrelevant.

 

[dmm53]

While Snyder is a great wrestler, I'm just not that impressed by his skill level, mastery of positions, and creativity relative to guys who are in lighter weight classes. There are simply more competitors and much greater competition at lower weights in part because there is a larger pool of candidates there. The best athletes in the US who are in the 200 plus pound range tend to compete in football, baseball and basketball, among other sports. Snyder has nowhere near the range of comparative talent (athleticism etc.) in my estimation, than folks like Taylor, Nolf, Dake, and Borroughs, among others. Snyder has fewer mat skills and a much narrower range of leg attacks than Nolf, for example.

 

[El-Jefe]

Unlike Taylor and Nolf, right?

I'm old enough to remember Nolf pinning Martinez.

 

[Lyco1990]

But it's most dominant NCAA wrestler, not most dominant NCAA, World, and Olympic wrestler.

How about 100% Bonus? Including #s 3,7 and14.

Snyder still may be the most dominant (best) NCAA wrestler, but the fact that he did those other things is irrelevant.

We can agree to disagree, but how can the fact that he wins World and Olympic gold be irrelevant? It solidifies the point IMO. Hey I would love to say Bo and come one Saturday in March he can very possibly jump Snyder.

 

[Cowbell Man]

How about 100% Bonus? Including #s 3,7 and14.



We can agree to disagree, but how can the fact that he wins World and Olympic gold be irrelevant? It solidifies the point IMO. Hey I would love to say Bo and come one Saturday in March he can very possibly jump Snyder.

Yes. You can disagree, but the fact that he wins World and Olympic gold is irrelevant to what happens in the NCAA.

Is he outstanding? No question about it. Do people come just to see him? Yes they do. But he hasn't wrestled a whole season by his own choice. The reality is...the winner at 184 will clearly be the Hodge winner. They will have put in the most hours on an NCAA mat and smacked everyone around while doing it.

IF Bo wins......will Snyder have pinned the #4 and #5 in the process during the season and beaten a 2 time NC? IF Dean wins, will Snyder have hammered last years NC and beaten Bo Nickal.

No....he will not.

The best wrestler in D1 bears zero relevance to what he does in the Ukraine or Turkey. But....like others, I would pay to watch him.

 

[dsites52]

Pyles using a different metric to decide his hodge rankings than NCAA's standings. Dean's bonus point percentage is higher but Zain and Jason have a higher team point per match average. As a wrestling media outlet, they have to find a way to make storylines out of what is making to be a non-competitive team race.

 

[El-Jefe]

Yes. You can disagree, but the fact that he wins World and Olympic gold is irrelevant to what happens in the NCAA.

Is he outstanding? No question about it. Do people come just to see him? Yes they do. But he hasn't wrestled a whole season by his own choice. The reality is...the winner at 184 will clearly be the Hodge winner. They will have put in the most hours on an NCAA mat and smacked everyone around while doing it.

IF Bo wins......will Snyder have pinned the #4 and #5 in the process during the season and beaten a 2 time NC? IF Dean wins, will Snyder have hammered last years NC and beaten Bo Nickal.

No....he will not.

The best wrestler in D1 bears zero relevance to what he does in the Ukraine or Turkey. But....like others, I would pay to watch him.

Is it conceivable that the best wrestler in D1 =/= Hodge winner?

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Is it conceivable that the best wrestler in D1 =/= Hodge winner?

I'm becoming more convinced that the winner of 184 = Hodge.

 

[Abro1975]

There's not a man at any weight in D1 that can beat, or even stay within 10 points of Snyder. He'd pin Gilman in 30 seconds.