Who wins the tie breaker if there are 4 7-2 teams in the East Division?

[francofan]

If Michigan wins their last 2 games against Wisconsin and Ohio State (I know it is a BIG if, but anything is possible) and Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Penn State all have 7-2 records in the East Division, who would win the tie-breaker and represent the East Division in the Big 10 Championship game?

 

[katchthis]

IIRC, the team with the best overall record is the first tie breaker.

 

[fastlax16]

IIRC, the team with the best overall record is the first tie breaker.

Why does everyone get this wrong? It’s h2h among the tied teams. Overall record is like the 7th tiebreaker. OSU would go.

 

[katchthis]

Why does everyone get this wrong? It’s h2h among the tied teams. Overall record is like the 7th tiebreaker.

I have a life outside of the board.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/archive/081011aaa.html

 

[fastlax16]

Not when there is 3 or more teams I believe. Could be wrong , but I have a life outside of the board.

You’re wrong. It’s h2h among the tied teams. Osu and MSU would be 2-1. Psu and um 1-2. Osu then goes thanks to their h2h. Win % aka overall record is the 7th tiebreaker.

 

[PaoliLion]

Not when there is 3 or more teams I believe. Could be wrong , but I have a life outside of the board.

Here are the rules
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/archive/081011aaa.html

 

[cavic]

Why does everyone get this wrong? It’s h2h among the tied teams. Overall record is like the 7th tiebreaker.

Yeah, but I think the point is you still could have a tie based on h2h in the hypothetical w/ UM over OSU

 

[PSU65]

I believe Phil said he checked with the B10 office and they go by overall record, not h2h.

 

[JDale83]

It looks like tiebreaker number one is best record. PSU would be the only two loss team if OSU loses to UM and UM loses to Wisconsin. Am I right or am I reading tiebreaker 1 wrong.

 

[djr4rebs]

Michigan can't lose to Wisconsin and this scenario work. It gives them three losses. They have to win out. Which leaves us tied with them at 10-2, if we also win out.

 

[daveM.]

The way it's worded it's not 100% clear but I believe it's head to head combined record. If it overall record we would win the east if Michigan beats OSU. But like I said it most likely is OSU. The tiebreaker rules need to be updated to clarify.

 

[daveM.]

I believe Phil said he checked with the B10 office and they go by overall record, not h2h.

This is a VERY important point. If overall record we have a chance.

 

[Cpeplion]

Really don’t think there is anyway PSU wins the East

 

[JDale83]

This is a VERY important point. If overall record we have a chance.

I agree and while I am not overly confident in UM over PSU, at least its a shot!

 

[ClarkstonMark]

The way it's worded it's not 100% clear but I believe it's head to head combined record. If it overall record we would win the east if Michigan beats OSU. But like I said it most likely is OSU. The tiebreaker rules need to be updated to clarify.

overall record is the 7th tiebreaker

 

[gohigh79]

This is a VERY important point. If overall record we have a chance.

It's definitely the best record of head-to-head among the tied teams.

Penn State ONLY wins the Big Ten East (all tiebreakers considered) if:

Penn State beats Nebraska AND Maryland
AND
Ohio State loses to Illinois AND Michigan
AND
Michigan State loses to Maryland OR Rutgers

The result of Michigan @ Wisconsin has no bearing on Penn State's Big Ten East chances.

 

[Cpeplion]

The team is better off finishing 10-2 and getting a NY6 bowl. They are just as likely to do that as to win the BIG and go to a NY6 bowl.

 

[daveM.]

Agreed it is head to head records and that would make sense. My point is the way the rules are worded it is not absolutely clear.
"1. The records of the three tied teams will be compared against each other."

The term "The records" could mean the overall record vice head to head. So it could be read: "The records (10-2) of the teams will be compared against each other tied team records (10-2)" In this case PSU would win.

 

[TJD88]

You’re wrong. It’s h2h among the tied teams. Osu and MSU would be 2-1. Psu and um 1-2. Osu then goes thanks to their h2h. Win % aka overall record is the 7th tiebreaker.

This is exactly how it works. We need for OSU to lose to IL and Mich, and we need Mich St to lose one more to either Rutgers or Maryland. Neither are very likely to happen. But, who knows....

 

[RGWhirly]

Everything needed is possible except Ohio State losing to Illinois.

 

[psu00]

So in a 4 way tie, PSU loses out to OSU and MSU. Assuming PSU wins out and UM beats OSU in Ann Arbor- what happens if MSU loses 1 of its last 2 games? That gives them 3 conference losses and then makes it a 3 way tie between PSU, OSU, and UM (where all 3 are 1-1 in records against each other)?

 

[KCLion]

So in a 4 way tie, PSU loses out to OSU and MSU. Assuming PSU wins out and UM beats OSU in Ann Arbor- what happens if MSU loses 1 of its last 2 games? That gives them 3 conference losses and then makes it a 3 way tie between PSU, OSU, and UM (where all 3 are 1-1 in records against each other)?

I believe it goes to division record, we have two in east, UM would have two in east and OSU would get the nod as they would have one in east and one in west.

 

[psu00]

I believe it goes to division record, we have two in east, UM would have two in east and OSU would get the nod as they would have one in east and one in west.

Thanks.

 

[Andy84]

That first tiebreaker for more than two teams is h2h among tied teams, and is quite clear. For instance, say PSU and MSU win out and OSU loses to Illinois and beats UM. The three state schools would be tied at 7-2. Looking at first tiebreaker OSU would, rightfully so, win division since they beat both teams with whom they are tied. For PSU to win east they will need to win out, OSU to lose twice and MSU once.

 

[JosephNit]

A few things would have to happen for Penn State to win our division. Unfortunately, one of them is that Ohio State, playing at home, would have to lose to Illinois. Therefore, I would not advise booking plane tickets to Indianapolis.

 

[sss]

This is a VERY important point. If overall record we have a chance.

Big 10 kept it this way so it can be interpreted differently each year if needed. It's getting more and more difficult with this internet thingy, but there is a secret meeting to decide the real winner. Invitation only. Delaney, Harbaugh , and Urban invited.
The list goes:
1. OSU or UM
2. UM or OSU
3. Straw vote between the attendees.