Will the long overdue release of the Freeh Report Review matter in the long run- meaning will it change the narrative in a significant way?
Understand, I'm not asking if it SHOULD- we can all agree that it should.
WILL it? Why or why not?
So not a great deal of optimism then?
What's "New" is that evidence in the form of documents, emails and interviews actually exits to support what most here have been saying all along. Outside of this insular Board, I'd surmise that 99.99% of the rest of the world would be very surprised to learn that Freeh was acting in cahoots with the NCAA, PA OAG and PSU BOT with the sole purpose of creating and defending a false narrative. Surely you must see that.What new meaningful information is in there?
Maybe there was something I missed in my repeated readings of the document.
I assume since you take such offense, you must have also read the review and were struck by important new revelations.... what were they?
Maybe you were so ignorant to begin with, that everything in there was "new" to you But that doesn't make it "new information".
NOW?
NOW, you are going to go look for something?
You don't want to share that wealth of discovery that you were so upset about?
After getting your hackles up wrt not acknowledging the treasure trove of new, impactful information?
LMAO
(Excuse me for not "holding my breath" )
No one outside of this board gives a shit and you’re delusional for thinking otherwise.What's "New" is that evidence in the form of documents, emails and interviews actually exits to support what most here have been saying all along. Outside of this insular Board, I'd surmise that 99.99% of the rest of the world would be very surprised to learn that Freeh was acting in cahoots with the NCAA, PA OAG and PSU BOT with the sole purpose of creating and defending a false narrative. Surely you must see that.
Lawsuits mean discovery which goes both ways.I thought the best shot we had was in the courts via the Paterno lawsuit. When that was dropped, I think the writing was on the wall.
Lawsuits mean discovery which goes both ways.
It was my understanding that it was not possible to sue individuals on the BOT; so you'd have to sue PSU as a whole and I can see how that might be unpalatable to the Paternos, no?From Day 1, not naming the BOT/Admin as defendants made the whole thing a fool's errand.
Some folks here knew that from Day 1.
In something like this? Discovery goes both ways.Suggesting Paterno(s) had or have something to hide? Dunno - but, seemed like if they wanted to get the NCAA for acting in a malicious manner to slander or ruin the reputation of Joe, Penn State had to be a party to the suit too (not a lawyer, but if you can prove those two worked together to draft a narrative that placed the blame, incorrectly, on Joe and football, the case seemed like a winner). That they dropped it is telling IMO.
It absolutely matters to me and my fellow Penn State friends.Will the long overdue release of the Freeh Report Review matter in the long run- meaning will it change the narrative in a significant way?
Understand, I'm not asking if it SHOULD- we can all agree that it should.
WILL it? Why or why not?
It absolutely matters to me and my fellow Penn State friends.
Outside of us, it will matter to those who are objective/open-minded about this topic, though they may be few.
And from a historical perspective it also matters that Freeh's report is no longer the unchallenged document of record.
So, in summary: it matters.
It was my understanding that it was not possible to sue individuals on the BOT; so you'd have to sue PSU as a whole and I can see how that might be unpalatable to the Paternos, no?
Are asking tongue in cheek or being serious?Whatever happened to the lawyer in California that had an incredibly detailed website debunking freeh report? Was supposedly unconnected to the school
Thanks for the clarification but the bottom line is the same; the Paternos couldn't "hurt" the BOT individual members without hurting PSU. I can certainly understand why they wouldn't want to do that.You’re understanding would be wrong.
The members of the BOT had indemnity insurance covering their righteous actions as Board members. But that most certainly doesn’t mean they cannot be sued...... and that they cannot be found liable....
It only means that PSU’s insurers would right the check - assuming the negligent actions were undertaken commensurate with the individual’s roles as members of the Board.
Is that “news” to you?
Even though I clearly said people would "be very surprised" there's a big difference between giving a shit and doing something about it.No one outside of this board gives a shit and you’re delusional for thinking otherwise.
It's obvious from the historical catalog of posts that you don't care about (or perhaps don't understand) optics.“Hurt PSU”?
How? Because of the money?
If they were concerned with that, what would stop them from turning around and writing a check back to PSU as a donation?
In the meantime, what is the value of “truth” (for lack of a better term)
Anyway..... there are - obviously - a lot of people who are afraid of the truth.
Good luck with that.
The only thing more dangerous than an idiot is an idiot who doesn't have the self awareness that he is an idiot. Keep living in that weird bubble in which you have convinced yourself that you are a genius. Let me know how that works out for you. Peace.LSHIPM.
I’d much prefer the optics of being a Child Abuse enabler than someone who seeks out truth and righteousness.
That’s F-ing genius level work there!
Thanks!!!
In the meantime, You just go along moving those goalposts wherever it is that makes you happy!
Ignorance is - indeed - bliss.
But it’s back to the ignore bin for you.
Good luck!
“Hurt PSU”?
How? Because of the money?
If they were concerned with that, what would stop them from turning around and writing a check back to PSU as a donation? (Or just requesting that any financial penalty be limited to $1 )
In the meantime, what is the value of “truth” (for lack of a better term)
Anyway..... there are - obviously - a lot of people who are afraid of the truth.
Good luck with that.
Are asking tongue in cheek or being serious?
The California lawyer you are talking about is John Ziegler. He has no affiliation with PSU. framingpaterno.com is the website. I assumed you were joking because he's been discussed quite a lot on here over the past 8 years.That's serious. It was an excellent website, pro Paterno. Somewhat pro Jerry.
No, I wasn't there. But, hey, thanks for asking. Even so, not attending a BOT meeting doesn't make my opinion any less relevant or any less accurate than yours...regardless of how much you might protest otherwise.It was the same thing we got at the "meeting" this summer (where you there?).
A rehash of all the reasons the "Freeh Report" was a crock of shit.
From the various critiques we read over the years - from everyone from Costas, to Van Natta, to Ray Blehar, to Cipriano, to Thornbourgh, etc etc.
Is that new?
Just because - in your words - "99.99% of the rest of the world" doesn't care, doesn't make it either "new" or "meaningful".
Yes! Finally something I can agree with.From Day 1, not naming the BOT/Admin as defendants made the whole thing a fool's errand.
Some folks here knew that from Day 1.
I voted it will open a lot of eyes but I could just as easily have voted no idea. Definitely wouldn’t vote no.Will the long overdue release of the Freeh Report Review matter in the long run- meaning will it change the narrative in a significant way?
Understand, I'm not asking if it SHOULD- we can all agree that it should.
WILL it? Why or why not?
People are definitely studying this case and more will.I am holding out hope that a big "investigative" news service (60 Minutes, 20/20, Dateline) will pick up on this story and get it out to a much wider audience. I'm not holding my breath. If it just remains in PA newspapers it will have very little impact.
The California lawyer you are talking about is John Ziegler. He has no affiliation with PSU. framingpaterno.com is the website. I assumed you were joking because he's been discussed quite a lot on here over the past 8 years.