Wisconsin shouldn't be penalized...

[YorkCoLion]

for playing and losing the championship game. UW should be punished because they lost three games, and especially for losing to a terribly mediocre Illinois squad. Klatt the idiot and Herbie the douche do not mention that fact when comparing schedules. No way PSU ever loses to Illinois. PSU was penalized in 2016 for losing early to a pedestrian Pitt squad, but that Pitt squad was lightyears better than any Illinois team from the past ten years.

 

[bvillebaron]

for playing and losing the championship game. UW should be punished because they lost three games, and especially for losing to a terribly mediocre Illinois squad. Klatt the idiot and Herbie the douche do not mention that fact when comparing schedules. No way PSU ever loses to Illinois. PSU was penalized in 2016 for losing early to a pedestrian Pitt squad, but that Pitt squad was lightyears better than any Illinois team from the past ten years.

Absolutely correct Ridiculous that Wisconsin was ranked ahead of PSU BEFORE last night’s game.

 

[shifix]

I do not disagree with either of you. However, this is all a no. Issue had the team handled their business.
Now we are at the mercy of people whom don’t care about out interests.

 

[AWS1022]

I do not disagree with either of you. However, this is all a no. Issue had the team handled their business.
Now we are at the mercy of people whom don’t care about out interests.

Like Wiscy handled their business against Illinois?

 

[shifix]

I don’t care about Wisconsin at all. If we handled our business, no discussion.

 

[LionRange]

Hasn’t Wisky lost like 3 or 4 big championships and 3 rose bowls in a row.

They hate showing up in big games

 

[AWS1022]

I don’t care about Wisconsin at all. If we handled our business, no discussion.

Apparently that only applies to us.

 

[YorkCoLion]

I don’t care about Wisconsin at all. If we handled our business, no discussion.

Wisconsin "didn't handle their business" three times this year. Do you think they should be penalized for it, or just PSU?

 

[MohawkLion]

Actually, penn state was probably more penalized for the 49-10 loss to Michigan in 2016. Bad losses apparently matter when it’s penn state doing the losing.

 

[bvillebaron]

Like Wiscy handled their business against Illinois?

Exactly. If you don’t win all your games, someone can always “defend” idiotic decisions by the committee by saying the team they dissed should have “taken care of their business”. If you are supposed to reward teams for accomplishments and penalize them for bad losses this is not a hard decision. Before the Big Championship, PSU and Wisky played similar schedules and PSU and Wisky each lost to OSU but PSU lost to a ranked Minnesota while Wisky lost to unranked, 6-6, Illinois while blowing a double digits second half lead. For anyone with any objectivity and half a brain, this isn’t a hard decision.

 

[BBrown]

I don’t care about Wisconsin at all. If we handled our business, no discussion.

I absolutely agree but the point is that the people picking the teams seems to care an awful lot and are making excuses that go against the reasons they had 10 minutes ago.
Its the age of the "eye test" and Wiscy doesn't pass it. But then neither do Baylor or Oklahoma.

 

[bvillebaron]

I absolutely agree but the point is that the people picking the teams seems to care an awful lot and are making excuses that go against the reasons they had 10 minutes ago.
Its the age of the "eye test" and Wiscy doesn't pass it. But then neither do Baylor or Oklahoma.

So outside of OSU, LSU and Clemson who do you think passed the eye test yesterday if not Oklahoma?

 

[Ceasar]

Like Wiscy handled their business against Illinois?

Exactly. By this logic why should Oklahoma get in over Alabama? Had Oklahoma taken care of their business against K-State there would be no issue so they can't complain if a team with more losses gets in over them. Losses and final record have always mattered in these selections (granted, it's a small sample size since the New Year's 6 came along). Not sure why all of a sudden some are making this argument that a championship game is basically a scrimmage and a loss doesn't matter. I honestly wonder if the committee member who made that statement was serious or if he just threw that out there in response to a question without really thinking it through.

 

[BBrown]

So outside of OSU, LSU and Clemson who do you think passed the eye test yesterday if not Oklahoma?

those are the only 3 that passed my "eye test" on Sat. I was not impressed with Baylor or OK at all. But someone from those 2 have to get in...I guess. I would probably take Bama with a healthy QB over either of them.

 

[PSUCYCLING]

OSU should be given credit for finishing with three wins against PSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Meanwhile, LSU closed with Arkansas, aTm, to warm up for Georgia.

 

[brupsu]

Exactly. By this logic why should Oklahoma get in over Alabama? Had Oklahoma taken care of their business against K-State there would be no issue so they can't complain if a team with more losses gets in over them. Losses and final record have always mattered in these selections (granted, it's a small sample size since the New Year's 6 came along). Not sure why all of a sudden some are making this argument that a championship game is basically a scrimmage and a loss doesn't matter. I honestly wonder if the committee member who made that statement was serious or if he just threw that out there in response to a question without really thinking it through.

This whole process stinks.Allow more teams in the playoff and do away with the bowl attachments.

 

[MacNit07]

I don’t care about Wisconsin at all. If we handled our business, no discussion.

No, if the Big10 was not so biased against us...

 

[AWS1022]

And let’s not forget Wiscy didn’t beat any P5 teams OOC....at least we beat a bowl eligible P5 team.

 

[HazletonLion]

Every network had their announcers push for that positioning spot in the championship games LSU, OSU, Clemson, OK, but the only one to slobber over the loser was Fox with Wisconsin to the Rose over PSU. It was pathetic actually, pleading and begging to a sniveling degree. I hope the committee has some sort of scruples, to block out that sort of nonsense. Like celebrities pitching politics, broadcasters think their opinions are greater than good college football fans.

 

[BBrown]

This whole process stinks.Allow more teams in the playoff and do away with the bowl attachments.

I thought attaching the bowls was a good idea in the beginning. I now am pretty much thinking the same thing as you.

 

[wbcincy]

for playing and losing the championship game. UW should be punished because they lost three games, and especially for losing to a terribly mediocre Illinois squad. Klatt the idiot and Herbie the douche do not mention that fact when comparing schedules. No way PSU ever loses to Illinois. PSU was penalized in 2016 for losing early to a pedestrian Pitt squad, but that Pitt squad was lightyears better than any Illinois team from the past ten years.

Well, you can’t say 3 losses, because now you’re factoring in the championship game. If PSU had to play OSU again, we likely have 3 losses as well.

So let’s forget the championship game. Which means they also have to stop saying how well Wisconsin played that first half yesterday. If we can’t penalize them, we can’t reward them either.

That means we’re left with two teams who each have two losses. They lost to one common opponent. Wiscy lost by 31, Penn State lost by 11. Penn State’s other loss was to a ranked 10-2 team. Wiscy’s other loss was to a team who wouldn’t even be bowl eligible if they didn’t win that game.

This should not be difficult.

 

[LionHoya]

OSU should be given credit for finishing with three wins against PSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Meanwhile, LSU closed with Arkansas, aTm, to warm up for Georgia.

Just saw Johnathan Vilma on Championship Drive talk about what have you done for me lately and saying LSU has looked better than OSU lately and OSU's defense hasn't looked as good. Well, when you play three top 15 teams three weeks in a row, you're defense is going to be tested more that an awful Arkansas and a mediocre A&M. The win over Georgia was indeed impressive, but Georgia's offense has been mediocre all year and was missing significant parts in the game yesterday. A healthy Fields yesterday likely makes it a 3-4 td victory for OSU. I fully expect LSU to end up no. 1, but I don't think it's justified. One good performance by the D against an offensively challenged team missing multiple weapons doesn't make them the consistently good team that OSU was all season.

 

[justnitts]

In the last 50 years only one of the top ten winningest programs ( the blue-bloods of the NCAA) has ever “handled all its business” by being undefeated for the entire season thru a top tier bowl game, and failed to be awarded a national championship. Only one program... and it’s happened 4 times to that program. It has never been just about handling your business.

 

[MacNit07]

Every network had their announcers push for that positioning spot in the championship games LSU, OSU, Clemson, OK, but the only one to slobber over the loser was Fox with Wisconsin to the Rose over PSU. It was pathetic actually, pleading and begging to a sniveling degree. I hope the committee has some sort of scruples, to block out that sort of nonsense. Like celebrities pitching politics, broadcasters think their opinions are greater than good college football fans.

Ban Fox!

 

[MacNit07]

In the last 50 years only one of the top ten winningest programs ( the blue-bloods of the NCAA) has ever “handled all its business” by being undefeated for the entire season thru a top tier bowl game, and failed to be awarded a national championship. Only one program... and it’s happened 4 times to that program. It has never been just about handling your business.

Yes...wonder who and why?

 

[AWS1022]

Well, you can’t say 3 losses, because now you’re factoring in the championship game. If PSU had to play OSU again, we likely have 3 losses as well.

So let’s forget the championship game. Which means they also have to stop saying how well Wisconsin played that first half yesterday. If we can’t penalize them, we can’t reward them either.

That means we’re left with two teams who each have two losses. They lost to one common opponent. Wiscy lost by 31, Penn State lost by 11. Penn State’s other loss was to a ranked 10-2 team. Wiscy’s other loss was to a team who wouldn’t even be bowl eligible if they didn’t win that game.

This should not be difficult.

And Wiscy played zero P5 teams OOC and PSU beat a bowl eligible P5 team.

 

[BBrown]

Well, you can’t say 3 losses, because now you’re factoring in the championship game. If PSU had to play OSU again, we likely have 3 losses as well.

So let’s forget the championship game. Which means they also have to stop saying how well Wisconsin played that first half yesterday. If we can’t penalize them, we can’t reward them either.

That means we’re left with two teams who each have two losses. They lost to one common opponent. Wiscy lost by 31, Penn State lost by 11. Penn State’s other loss was to a ranked 10-2 team. Wiscy’s other loss was to a team who wouldn’t even be bowl eligible if they didn’t win that game.

This should not be difficult.

 

[AWS1022]

Just saw Johnathan Vilma on Championship Drive talk about what have you done for me lately and saying LSU has looked better than OSU lately and OSU's defense hasn't looked as good. Well, when you play three top 15 teams three weeks in a row, you're defense is going to be tested more that an awful Arkansas and a mediocre A&M. The win over Georgia was indeed impressive, but Georgia's offense has been mediocre all year and was missing significant parts in the game yesterday. A healthy Fields yesterday likely makes it a 3-4 td victory for OSU. I fully expect LSU to end up no. 1, but I don't think it's justified. One good performance by the D against an offensively challenged team missing multiple weapons doesn't make them the consistently good team that OSU was all season.

These talking heads talk so much they get their stories mixed up. They change their talking points to fit their particular agenda and forget that they said something different last week.

 

[bvillebaron]

Every network had their announcers push for that positioning spot in the championship games LSU, OSU, Clemson, OK, but the only one to slobber over the loser was Fox with Wisconsin to the Rose over PSU. It was pathetic actually, pleading and begging to a sniveling degree. I hope the committee has some sort of scruples, to block out that sort of nonsense. Like celebrities pitching politics, broadcasters think their opinions are greater than good college football fans.

You said it. Despite the fact Georgia was doing nothing at half, the color guy said—with a straight face—that Georgia might still get in if they rallied and played LSU close in the second half. Wow.

 

[BoulderFish]

I don’t care about Wisconsin at all. If we handled our business, no discussion.

Yeah but we didn't, and now we're discussing. Everyone understands that if you "handle your business," there's no discussion. So what exactly is your point? Just to play the role of Captain Obvious?

 

[bvillebaron]

those are the only 3 that passed my "eye test" on Sat. I was not impressed with Baylor or OK at all. But someone from those 2 have to get in...I guess. I would probably take Bama with a healthy QB over either of them.

Yeah except for the fact that ‘Bama lost to the only 2 ranked teams it played.

 

[nittany119]

Actually, penn state was probably more penalized for the 49-10 loss to Michigan in 2016. Bad losses apparently matter when it’s penn state doing the losing.

Aren’t we in fact being penalized too for this year’s “loss” to Michigan?

 

[AldenT]

Well, you can’t say 3 losses, because now you’re factoring in the championship game. If PSU had to play OSU again, we likely have 3 losses as well.

So let’s forget the championship game. Which means they also have to stop saying how well Wisconsin played that first half yesterday. If we can’t penalize them, we can’t reward them either.

That means we’re left with two teams who each have two losses. They lost to one common opponent. Wiscy lost by 31, Penn State lost by 11. Penn State’s other loss was to a ranked 10-2 team. Wiscy’s other loss was to a team who wouldn’t even be bowl eligible if they didn’t win that game.

This should not be difficult.

Perfectly stated.

 

[LionRange]

Penn State was only in the game because of 3 turnovers is such a stupid thing to say...

I guess Minnesota was only in the game against penn state because of 3 turnovers. Let’s discredit and shame their victory over us. After all turnovers aren’t part of the sport and are extreme flukes that need to be accounted for in the rankings

 

[BBrown]

Yeah except for the fact that ‘Bama lost to the only 2 ranked teams it played.

Well there is that. LOL

 

[Grass]

Just saw Johnathan Vilma on Championship Drive talk about what have you done for me lately and saying LSU has looked better than OSU lately and OSU's defense hasn't looked as good. Well, when you play three top 15 teams three weeks in a row, you're defense is going to be tested more that an awful Arkansas and a mediocre A&M. The win over Georgia was indeed impressive, but Georgia's offense has been mediocre all year and was missing significant parts in the game yesterday. A healthy Fields yesterday likely makes it a 3-4 td victory for OSU. I fully expect LSU to end up no. 1, but I don't think it's justified. One good performance by the D against an offensively challenged team missing multiple weapons doesn't make them the consistently good team that OSU was all season.

So what is OSU's signature win?

 

[YorkCoLion]

How big was that chicken-$hit offensive pass interference call at the end of the Minnesota game now? That call isn't made, PSU beat Minny that day.

 

[blion72]

How big was that chicken-$hit offensive pass interference call at the end of the Minnesota game now? That call isn't made, PSU beat Minny that day.

that is correct - and here are my points re why Wisky cannot pass us to Pasadena

1. the fauz OPI against Daniel George - without that we win at Minny
2. we played a string of 6 games v ranked physical opponents. even Indy had two weeks to focus on our game
3. KJ return in scUM game called backfor convenient faux block in back - without this it is 35-7 we are up and smoke them.
4. played tOSU for much of 2nd half with backup QB.
5. played OSU with all their guys 100% especially Fields. Wisky plays OSU with injured Wade, Okuda out for half and Fields at 50% not running. Fields not running we probably would have beaten OSU in CBus
6. Wisky played tOSU at full strength during the season and got smoked = that is the real difference in these teams
7. The BIG West has NEVER had a BIG champ - the winner of that side gets auto opportunity against the superior side every year. why dont they ever win?

 

[AWS1022]

So what is OSU's signature win?

Penn State?

 

[rigi11]

for playing and losing the championship game. UW should be punished because they lost three games, and especially for losing to a terribly mediocre Illinois squad. Klatt the idiot and Herbie the douche do not mention that fact when comparing schedules. No way PSU ever loses to Illinois. PSU was penalized in 2016 for losing early to a pedestrian Pitt squad, but that Pitt squad was lightyears better than any Illinois team from the past ten years.

Wrong. If you win you can go up. If you lose you can go down.