Yianni and the ACL...

[Notsofastmyfriend21]

I wonder what the actual time for recovery is, post surgery? Yes, Spencer Lee recovered, but wrestled all the way up to Nationals with the full brace. Is a full tear different from a partial tear? And what about football players? I'm trying to piece this together...Spencer Lee tears his ACL, but returns in about 6 months then wrestles, while John Reid tears his ACL, and is out for a full year with the return to the field coming about 11 months after the surgery? So, we can assume it's different for football vs wrestling?

I'm hearing all sorts of answers but nothing consistent. I wondered right away if Yianni would actually be back for next season but nobody else is the slightest bit concerned I suppose.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

No idea about the full versus partial tear, but think about the sport differences. A corner back needs to make sharp cuts at full speed, stop on a dime, back pedal, jump to knock a ball down and risk being hit by a full speed 200+ pound receiver or blocker on every play.

Not downplaying the rigors of wrestling, but the strain/risk on that knee is much different.

 

[Notsofastmyfriend21]

No idea about the full versus partial tear, but think about the sport differences. A corner back needs to make sharp cuts at full speed, stop on a dime, back pedal, jump to knock a ball down and risk being hit by a full speed 200+ pound receiver or blocker on every play.

Not downplaying the rigors of wrestling, but the strain/risk on that knee is much different.

I thought about that also. You consider that in football, a full on collision at a high rate of speed, that sort of thing. But, in wrestling, you need to push off to shoot, you need full flexibility to sprawl. You have collisions also, and without padding, etc.

I'm also thinking that the recovery time might also depend on the athlete, to a certain extent also. Perhaps an athlete at 130 to 150 lbs, might have a different recovery rate than an athlete at 180 to 200 lbs? These are just kind of things that I have thought about recently. It seems to me that the recovery time has shortened throughout the past two or three decades from an ACL operation? Went over to other message boards and people are saying Yianni should return in less than 6 months. My first thought was "how do you know", and then "I call BS".

 

[impalanut]

The type of tear doesn't matter. If it is bad enough to warrant surgery, the procedure is the same. ACL reconstruction has a few small variables but all involve replacing the ligament. Healing time includes both healing of the ligament graft as well as strengthening and range of motion of the other structures. Typical return to sports without limits is 5-9 months and is more dependent on the progress/limitations of the patient and less about the sport being returned to.

 

[Notsofastmyfriend21]

The type of tear doesn't matter. If it is bad enough to warrant surgery, the procedure is the same. ACL reconstruction has a few small variables but all involve replacing the ligament. Healing time includes both healing of the ligament graft as well as strengthening and range of motion of the other structures. Typical return to sports without limits is 5-9 months and is more dependent on the progress/limitations of the patient and less about the sport being returned to.

If it's 5 to 9 months, then why is this a full year for football players?

 

[El-Jefe]

Yianni has one more variable: the Ivy League no redshirt policy. If he enrolls and doesn't wrestle, he loses a year of eligibility. If he defers this year academically, then he cannot wrestle varsity (he could go unattached to opens).

If I were Koll, I'd advise him to defer the fall and postpone deciding about the spring until the enrollment deadline.

 

[impalanut]

5-9 months to be released to do their sport. I usually takes anywhere from 2-6 months to regain their fitness level enough to compete. Even without surgery, if you just took 6 months off from your sport you wouldn't be able to return immediately at a high level, you would have to regain your fitness.

 

[eddy line]

If it's 5 to 9 months, then why is this a full year for football players?

My daughter tore her acl playing soccer. (As an aside, acl injuries are much more prevalent among female athletes, and in some sports have become all but an epidemic.) The surgery and recovery time have come a long way. Rehab starts the same day as surgery. (In the past, the injured leg was immobilized, greatly lengthening the recovery time.) Five to nine months is about right for physical recovery, and nowadays it’s in the five to seven month range more times than not. It depends, of course, on the patient, whether there were other related injuries (e.g., mcl, meniscus, etc.), and to some extent on the type of graft. (There are three common types — patellar tendon, hamstring and cadaver.) The mental recovery is the big variable. It can take a while for an athlete to get his/her head right.

I could see where the mental recovery might be a little longer for football and basketball players because of the demands the sports put on speed, quickness and jumping ability. But that’s just conjecture on my part. I’ve also been amazed by the mental toughness Yianni showed in winning the title with an acl tear. Likewise, Spencer Lee in last year PIAAs (though he lost to DeSanto) and Nolf (though his injury was allegedly mcl). Maybe wrestlers are a little tougher mentally than athletes in other sports.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Yianni has one more variable: the Ivy League no redshirt policy. If he enrolls and doesn't wrestle, he loses a year of eligibility. If he defers this year academically, then he cannot wrestle varsity (he could go unattached to opens).

If I were Koll, I'd advise him to defer the fall and postpone deciding about the spring until the enrollment deadline.

He just has to reduce class load below full time and.....there’s the redshirt. Jefe’s reference to defer is basically how that happens. Or no Cornell classes.

 

[redblades]

He just has to reduce class load below full time and.....there’s the redshirt.

Generally it's not an option to reduce classload at Cornell - you are either in full time, or you take a leave of absence. And that applies to all students, not just athletes. The only possible exception is senior year, if a student is on track to graduate early.

 

[mn78psu83]

Generally it's not an option to reduce classload at Cornell - you are either in full time, or you take a leave of absence. And that applies to all students, not just athletes. The only possible exception is senior year, if a student is on track to graduate early.

Whatever it takes for him to come back 100%. He's the worth the price of admission. What a talent!

 

[Lyons212]

My daughter tore her acl playing soccer. (As an aside, acl injuries are much more prevalent among female athletes, and in some sports have become all but an epidemic.) The surgery and recovery time have come a long way. Rehab starts the same day as surgery. (In the past, the injured leg was immobilized, greatly lengthening the recovery time.) Five to nine months is about right for physical recovery, and nowadays it’s in the five to seven month range more times than not. It depends, of course, on the patient, whether there were other related injuries (e.g., mcl, meniscus, etc.), and to some extent on the type of graft. (There are three common types — patellar tendon, hamstring and cadaver.) The mental recovery is the big variable. It can take a while for an athlete to get his/her head right.

I could see where the mental recovery might be a little longer for football and basketball players because of the demands the sports put on speed, quickness and jumping ability. But that’s just conjecture on my part. I’ve also been amazed by the mental toughness Yianni showed in winning the title with an acl tear. Likewise, Spencer Lee in last year PIAAs (though he lost to DeSanto) and Nolf (though his injury was allegedly mcl). Maybe wrestlers are a little tougher mentally than athletes in other sports.

No maybe about it (wrestlers being tougher mentally than other athletes).

 

[Cowbell Man]

Generally it's not an option to reduce classload at Cornell - you are either in full time, or you take a leave of absence. And that applies to all students, not just athletes. The only possible exception is senior year, if a student is on track to graduate early.

Some take half loads before arriving....so I guess a reduction is out if you are already there. But a LOA is a reasonable option in any event for this.

 

[Ban Basketball]

I personally prefer Yanni solo. When he tours with Yanni and the ACL, it just seems to take away from his oh so mesmerizing sound.

 

[Notsofastmyfriend21]

I personally prefer Yanni solo. When he tours with Yanni and the ACL, it just seems to take away from his oh so mesmerizing sound.

LOL!

 

[dunkej01]

 

[nitlion6]

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Now that the kid has been injured and is healing has Rutgers called him yet?

 

[RoarLions1]

Wish the kid well. He was fun to watch.

 

[Notsofastmyfriend21]

Now that the kid has been injured and is healing has Rutgers called him yet?

Rutgers? Frankly I'm surprised TaTo isn't calling him. Nobody is bringing in ringers more than TaTo these days.

 

[TangSoo]

I personally prefer Yanni solo. When he tours with Yanni and the ACL, it just seems to take away from his oh so mesmerizing sound.

Yanni is great to watch. Wish him well on his recovery. Don't sleep on Zamfir.