You head is going to explode; Seems Penn State is a subsidary of the Pa Manufacturers Association

[mn78psu83]

Same names swirling in the background

http://www.philly.com/philly/busine...s_Will_this_probe_be_different.html?mobi=true

We can very easily cut & paste the PSUBoT malfeasance into the Hershey Board shenanigans.

Same stink, different sewer.

Indeed. Here is a link from an article in philly.com today. More of the same discouraging theme.

LINK: The PA AG has tried to fix the Hershey Trust for years. Will this probe be different?

The gist of the article is that the Hershey Trust Board players and their web of cronies have more resources and power than the PA AG who is responsible for the oversight of PA charities.

Ric Fouad, an alumnus who runs Protect the Hershey's Children Inc., which has sought reforms, said that "it's difficult to expect much from the [attorney general] when all their past acts made Hershey worse for needy kids but better for connected insiders. The same pattern will hold now without a fully reconstituted and volunteer board that puts children first. This is not Mark Pacella's fault. It's the fault of his politicized bosses."

Berning, also an alum, likes Pacella, but said "the Attorney General's Office has always been intimidated by wealth and [the trust's] ability to marshal legal resources to fight them. Let's face it. The Attorney General's Office has a budget and limited resources, and they would be up against a charity with seemingly unlimited resources and their biggest fear was a protracted legal battle that they would lose by attrition."

Only the attorney general can see it through, Berning said. And based on the past, he doubts the agency "has the will to call their bluff.

These blackguards are able to protect themselves by use of the very same considerable resources they are accused of plundering. Fungible bounty bestowed upon these swine. They are above the law.

 

[BobPSU92]

We need a good john zipay pedigree post right about now. I haven't seen one of his patented pedigree lessons in awhile.

Now back to my Dinty Moore beef stew and hooch.

 

[Black Elmo 2]

Are you guys really this naïve? What do you expect? That the BoT will be comprised of poor people and working class stiffs? Leaders of business and in the community make up the BoT of every University in the country. Why? Because they are the ones that worked their tails off developing relationships, making millions, earning political support, and campaigning for themselves.

And pre-Nov 2011 all of you were perfectly fine with this arrangement at Penn State. The school was popular, was making money hand over fist, and was well respected. I doubt it would have achieved that status with a bunch of doofuses running it. But as soon as they fired JVP, then all of a sudden they are corrupt, incompetent, and a bunch of scoundrels.

Where were all of you BEFORE November 2011?

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Are you guys really this naïve? What do you expect? That the BoT will be comprised of poor people and working class stiffs? Leaders of business and in the community make up the BoT of every University in the country. Why? Because they are the ones that worked their tails off developing relationships, making millions, earning political support, and campaigning for themselves.

And pre-Nov 2011 all of you were perfectly fine with this arrangement at Penn State. The school was popular, was making money hand over fist, and was well respected. I doubt it would have achieved that status with a bunch of doofuses running it. But as soon as they fired JVP, then all of a sudden they are corrupt, incompetent, and a bunch of scoundrels.

Where were all of you BEFORE November 2011?

BwaaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaaaa

 

[wensilver]

Well perhaps we naive doofus types just would like our Leadership to stop circling the drain

 

[WyomingLion]

Are you guys really this naïve? What do you expect? That the BoT will be comprised of poor people and working class stiffs? Leaders of business and in the community make up the BoT of every University in the country. Why? Because they are the ones that worked their tails off developing relationships, making millions, earning political support, and campaigning for themselves.

And pre-Nov 2011 all of you were perfectly fine with this arrangement at Penn State. The school was popular, was making money hand over fist, and was well respected. I doubt it would have achieved that status with a bunch of doofuses running it. But as soon as they fired JVP, then all of a sudden they are corrupt, incompetent, and a bunch of scoundrels.

Where were all of you BEFORE November 2011?

I had no reason to believe that they were corrupt. Shame on me! They proved it to me with how they handled this whole situation. Should we now just look the other way?

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Justin Leto is a d-bag

 

[BobPSU92]

I had no reason to believe that they were corrupt. Shame on me! They proved it to me with how they handled this whole situation. Should we now just look the other way?

Years ago, I didn't think much about Joe's quote, "I need your money, not your two cents." It was Joe being Joe, but I didn't dwell on it. As we have been continually reminded the past few years, Joe certainly was perceptive. Sharp man.

 

[lyndj]

Are you guys really this naïve? What do you expect? That the BoT will be comprised of poor people and working class stiffs? Leaders of business and in the community make up the BoT of every University in the country. Why? Because they are the ones that worked their tails off developing relationships, making millions, earning political support, and campaigning for themselves.

And pre-Nov 2011 all of you were perfectly fine with this arrangement at Penn State. The school was popular, was making money hand over fist, and was well respected. I doubt it would have achieved that status with a bunch of doofuses running it. But as soon as they fired JVP, then all of a sudden they are corrupt, incompetent, and a bunch of scoundrels.

Where were all of you BEFORE November 2011?

But are you naive to think that it is okay for PSU to be insured by a company who has influence within the university? If the head of the insurance company is involved with the board (even in an unofficial, quiet as kept capacity), PSU shouldn't be insured by them, period. Since PSU is insured by PMA, PMA shouldn't bear ANY influence on the board. Absolute conflict of interest--they have the power to influence decisions that benefit them, which seems be a norm with the BOT members and their local businesses (Lubert, et al)

I do think you tend to play devil's advocate quite a bit even when it doesn't warrant it. I don't always agree with everything on this board, but some things absolutely make a ton of sense and you sometimes have to open your mind. You seem to ALWAYS have a "devil's advocate" type post for everything said here. Do you really disagree with EVERYTHING or do you intentionally take the position that you will disagree with everything even when you really don't. IF that is your purpose, I'm not sure why you get enjoyment out of that. There are clearly some here that feel very strongly, and passionately about JVP's innocence and the BOT's malpractice. I don't feel as strongly as they do but, admittedly, because I'm not quite as connected to this situation, but I do respect their viewpoints.

Lastly, I will say that I'm not sure how anyone can look at the situation PSU the University has been put in the last few years and not feel that the BOT leadership did not PROTECT or STAND UP for the university enough, exclusive of JVP, C/S/S situation. When you have a leadership that leads in fear, they are incapable of leading with integrity and strength and doing what's in the university's best interest because they are worried about their own hides.

 

[AWS1022]

Are you guys really this naïve? What do you expect? That the BoT will be comprised of poor people and working class stiffs? Leaders of business and in the community make up the BoT of every University in the country. Why? Because they are the ones that worked their tails off developing relationships, making millions, earning political support, and campaigning for themselves.

And pre-Nov 2011 all of you were perfectly fine with this arrangement at Penn State. The school was popular, was making money hand over fist, and was well respected. I doubt it would have achieved that status with a bunch of doofuses running it. But as soon as they fired JVP, then all of a sudden they are corrupt, incompetent, and a bunch of scoundrels.

Where were all of you BEFORE November 2011?

Many things often look fine until a spotlight is out on it. It's easy to captain a ship on calm waters, but throw in a storm or some icebergs then you see how good a captain you have.

 

[Black Elmo 2]

Many things often look fine until a spotlight is out on it. It's easy to captain a ship on calm waters, but throw in a storm or some icebergs then you see how good a captain you have.

Then by extension you have absolutely no idea if the newly elected trustees are any better or worse, because they have not been asked to navigate through a storm of the magnitude the old BoT faced. Hopefully, they never will. But unless they are forced to deal with a Category 5 hurricane like the old BoT, the only way you will assess them is whether they agree with your "cause." That is hardly a fair comparison.

 

[WyomingLion]

Then by extension you have absolutely no idea if the newly elected trustees are any better or worse, because they have not been asked to navigate through a storm of the magnitude the old BoT faced. Hopefully, they never will. But unless they are forced to deal with a Category 5 hurricane like the old BoT, the only way you will assess them is whether they agree with your "cause." That is hardly a fair comparison.

Just the fact that they actively seek the truth shows them to be light years ahead of the OGBOT. "Cause" is a strange way to phrase looking for the truth.

 

[AWS1022]

Then by extension you have absolutely no idea if the newly elected trustees are any better or worse, because they have not been asked to navigate through a storm of the magnitude the old BoT faced. Hopefully, they never will. But unless they are forced to deal with a Category 5 hurricane like the old BoT, the only way you will assess them is whether they agree with your "cause." That is hardly a fair comparison.

They're in the middle of a storm now...trial by fire and haven't folded up like a lawn chair like the old BOT did.

 

[wensilver]

Then by extension you have absolutely no idea if the newly elected trustees are any better or worse, because they have not been asked to navigate through a storm of the magnitude the old BoT faced. Hopefully, they never will. But unless they are forced to deal with a Category 5 hurricane like the old BoT, the only way you will assess them is whether they agree with your "cause." That is hardly a fair comparison.

Considering the Category 5 hurricane was MANUFACTURED by Tom Corbett and his porn-addled gunslingers down in Harrisburg....and only became a Category 5 hurricane because Franky "Slapping Sounds" Fina did not factor in the unpredictable sports media when leaking his usual poison to the Harrisburg access writers.

I think the newly elected trustees have the collective benefit of hindsight, along with a rudder and a deeper keel to navigate such waters.

 

[psu7113]

It sure does, doesn't it? You get this feeling that the PSU BOT is treated like it's a GOP Country Club. A place where deals are made, and politicians are purchased. You know "this thing they have"? I believe the Italians have a word for it.

AND yes, all the innuendo is intended...because, in the end it just might end up like that.

Take that CR66, that should make your head spin.

Pennsylvania is a blue state, purple at best. Labor and teachers unions are far more influential than CEOs and business leaders (many of whom, by the way, are democrats, as was Cynthia Baldwin). There certainly are and were republicans involved in this mess, but the idea that this whole thing is some sort of GOP conspiracy is laughable.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Then by extension you have absolutely no idea if the newly elected trustees are any better or worse, because they have not been asked to navigate through a storm of the magnitude the old BoT faced. Hopefully, they never will. But unless they are forced to deal with a Category 5 hurricane like the old BoT, the only way you will assess them is whether they agree with your "cause." That is hardly a fair comparison.

Any time I think you have maxed out "full on moron"......you prove me wrong

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Pennsylvania is a blue state, purple at best. Labor and teachers unions are far more influential than CEOs and business leaders (many of whom, by the way, are democrats, as was Cynthia Baldwin). There certainly are and were republicans involved in this mess, but the idea that this whole thing is some sort of GOP conspiracy is laughable.

Ummmm wrong, the OAG had been controlled by Republicans since the Office became elected in 1979. BTW, Cynthia Baldwin was tied to LeRoy Zimmerman all the way back to his first term as AG where she ran the Consumer Protection Department. Oh yea, Tom Ridge - a Zimmerman-Asher Republican made Governor, named Cynthia Baldwin to the PSU BOT as a Governor Appointee in 1995......the same year that Ridge appointed recTom Corbutt as the Attorney General to finish out Ernie Preate's remaining term. Oh yea, not only would Baldwin almost immediately become a member of the all-powerful "Executive Committee" of the PSU BOT, but was elected Vice-Chair in 2000 and became the Chair of the EC of the PSU BOT, arguably the most powerful person at The University. Laughable and ironic that you would use Baldwin as your example of not being connected to the Hershey-MontCo (Zimmerman-Asher) GOP Apparatchik.

 

[Black Elmo 2]

You are laughable. With whom would you expect Republicans to have relationships with....the Eskimos? Republicans take care of Republicans. Democrats take care of Democrats. That's the way of the world (at least in the US). That's hardly proof of corruption. Its just politics.

 

[Aoshiro]

Then by extension you have absolutely no idea if the newly elected trustees are any better or worse, because they have not been asked to navigate through a storm of the magnitude the old BoT faced. Hopefully, they never will. But unless they are forced to deal with a Category 5 hurricane like the old BoT, the only way you will assess them is whether they agree with your "cause." That is hardly a fair comparison.

The old BoT wasn't "forced" to deal with a storm. They helped to CREATE the storm.

 

[Aoshiro]

Pennsylvania is a blue state, purple at best. Labor and teachers unions are far more influential than CEOs and business leaders (many of whom, by the way, are democrats, as was Cynthia Baldwin). There certainly are and were republicans involved in this mess, but the idea that this whole thing is some sort of GOP conspiracy is laughable.

This entire mess is the direct result of Corbett's desire to oust Spanier.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ower-struggle-spread-penn-state-state-capital

 

[colt21]

Then by extension you have absolutely no idea if the newly elected trustees are any better or worse, because they have not been asked to navigate through a storm of the magnitude the old BoT faced. Hopefully, they never will. But unless they are forced to deal with a Category 5 hurricane like the old BoT, the only way you will assess them is whether they agree with your "cause." That is hardly a fair comparison.

Elmo-they weren't forced to deal with a Cat 5 hurricane - they CREATED IT - on purpose - for nefarious reasons no less

There's a big difference

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Elmo-they weren't forced to deal with a Cat 5 hurricane - they CREATED IT - on purpose - for nefarious reasons no less

There's a bug difference

Oh, you didn't realize that BE2 was fully on-board with abuse of public powers and tyranny as "political prerogative" of winning political elections? Or his being fine with abuse of Fiduciary Powers and blatant violation of Fiduciary Obligation by political appointees? He's a big fan of tyranny and legendary defender of corruption.....

 

[Nellie R]

This is not the first time I have heard of PMA's undisclosed influence at PSU

You are correct, but it's new to some people. There was a hearing with Yudichak long ago, can't remember the date and it may have come up then, where Horst testified. Both he and Novak have been ringing that governance alarm bell for a long time, I gather. The info has been around for a while. I think it's just a matter of there is SO much info that has surfaced not everyone has time to keep up with all of it.

 

[Nellie R]

Are you guys really this naïve? What do you expect? That the BoT will be comprised of poor people and working class stiffs? Leaders of business and in the community make up the BoT of every University in the country. Why? Because they are the ones that worked their tails off developing relationships, making millions, earning political support, and campaigning for themselves.

And pre-Nov 2011 all of you were perfectly fine with this arrangement at Penn State. The school was popular, was making money hand over fist, and was well respected. I doubt it would have achieved that status with a bunch of doofuses running it. But as soon as they fired JVP, then all of a sudden they are corrupt, incompetent, and a bunch of scoundrels.

Where were all of you BEFORE November 2011?

I can figure out where you were! Somewhere not paying attention to Novak and Horst.