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Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
 
Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
You mean learn from this? WTF....nothing gets in the way of a good witch hunt.:rolleyes: Oddly enough Simon herself could have learned something years back, but everyone was still on the pile on mode. Clemente made some great points about these predators and how they work in broad day light and aren't hiding in a van abducting children.
 
Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
The two events are not mutually exclusive. Most here want them both to happen.
 
The two events are not mutually exclusive. Most here want them both to happen.
Catholic Church didn't. PSU didnt. Generally places see them as separate and equal approaches. Not remotely so. Wait to fire Lou Anna until the important work is done, or at least started
 
The Larry Nassar asteroid was going to hit, no matter what. Louis Freeh could have helped lessen the critical mass of that asteroid back in July 2012 and provide an early warning before the impact.

But he didn't.

Now it's a smoking crater of ruin 100s of miles wide. Alas.

But in hearing these statements and reading the information, Nassar's intravaginal "technique" was well published. He conducted training on it. He had videos. I am wondering where the medical community was in all of this - asking about the "nuances" of the procedure (versus an outright abusive gynecological pelvic exam) and his protocol with his minor patients from the very get-go.

It seems that Larry was able to set medical policy with USAG/USOC as well. It appears he was able to get out in front of all of this and actually set it up policy to his advantage. There are still A LOT of questions that need to be asked about oversight from the MSU, USAG & USOC medical community in this.

That medical expertise was never in Klages or Simon's wheelhouse. Torching them isn't going to answer that.
 
Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
Totally agree. lighting torches, storming old main, and lynching officials that were legitimately fooled doesn't seem like a way to get more people to work with kids and want to get involved.

Having said that, I don't know if people criminally enabled this guy so a thorough investigation is needed.
 
The Larry Nassar asteroid was going to hit, no matter what. Louis Freeh could have helped lessen the critical mass of that asteroid back in July 2012 and provide an early warning before the impact.

But he didn't.

Now it's a smoking crater of ruin 100s of miles wide. Alas.

But in hearing these statements and reading the information, Nassar's intravaginal "technique" was well published. He conducted training on it. He had videos. I am wondering where the medical community was in all of this - asking about the "nuances" of the procedure (versus an outright abusive gynecological pelvic exam) and his protocol with his minor patients from the very get-go.

It seems that Larry was able to set medical policy with USAG/USOC as well. It appears he was able to get out in front of all of this and actually set it up policy to his advantage. There are still A LOT of questions that need to be asked about oversight from the MSU, USAG & USOC medical community in this.

That medical expertise was never in Klages or Simon's wheelhouse. Torching them isn't going to answer that.

Wendy, here is something I disagree with you - it's not Louis Freeh's job to help solve the problem. Freeh was hired as a hitman by the OGBOT, and he did what they paid him to do. The real ire is the OGBOT.
 
Wendy, here is something I disagree with you - it's not Louis Freeh's job to help solve the problem. Freeh was hired as a hitman by the OGBOT, and he did what they paid him to do. The real ire is the OGBOT.
Please, let LF publicly admit it. When he admits that he ignored the lessons the whole country needs to learn at the best teachable moment in our nation's history, he will destroy himself and the OGBOT.

His argument is "I was hired to drive a narrative, not educate the public." Ok. So he is a PROFESSIONAL PEDOPHILE ENABLER, not an amateur. Got it.
 
Please, let LF publicly admit it. When he admits that he ignored the lessons the whole country needs to learn at the best teachable moment in our nation's history, he will destroy himself and the OGBOT.

His argument is "I was hired to drive a narrative, not educate the public." Ok. So he is a PROFESSIONAL PEDOPHILE ENABLER, not an amateur. Got it.
I'm not sure people in Louie's position can put aside the arrogance for a minute to say maybe I screwed up. It's rare.
 
Please, let LF publicly admit it. When he admits that he ignored the lessons the whole country needs to learn at the best teachable moment in our nation's history, he will destroy himself and the OGBOT.

His argument is "I was hired to drive a narrative, not educate the public." Ok. So he is a PROFESSIONAL PEDOPHILE ENABLER, not an amateur. Got it.

I don't want to get into an argument about what Louis' moral obligations were and not were. But, I will say that Freeh was simply the messenger - the real culprit is the OBGOT.
 
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But in hearing these statements and reading the information, Nassar's intravaginal "technique" was well published. He conducted training on it. He had videos. I am wondering where the medical community was in all of this - asking about the "nuances" of the procedure (versus an outright abusive gynecological pelvic exam) and his protocol with his minor patients from the very get-go.

It seems that Larry was able to set medical policy with USAG/USOC as well. It appears he was able to get out in front of all of this and actually set it up policy to his advantage. There are still A LOT of questions that need to be asked about oversight from the MSU, USAG & USOC medical community in this.

That medical expertise was never in Klages or Simon's wheelhouse. Torching them isn't going to answer that.

What’s scary is how Nasser and Sandusky groomed they were a part of and used them for their own sick means. Nasser set policy with USAG to help hide his methods, Sandusky used CYS to provide home with a steady stream of potential victims
 
PROFESSIONAL PEDOPHILE ENABLER,

True. We could also say Freeh is a Nice Guy Pillar of the Community Offender.

Hell, he used his high profile, highly respected position in the community to groom and financially abuse an ENTIRE Board of fiduicaries at an institution of higher learning AND create a wide swath of damage across the Commonwealth.

Talk about Compliant Victimization!

In fact, as a result of Freeh's narrative - the remaining tires were shot out on Child Protective Services in all 67 counties.

 
Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
Agreed 1,000%+. What about all the rest of the administrators involved in this COVER UP! The Gymnastic Team coaches, the Director of Athletics, the VP and quite possibly the BOT. Resignation is not enough. They all along with the University must be tried in a court of law, or at the very least, by a Louis Freeh like organization hired by the NCAA to do a hit job on the University and get the media to parade unceasing air time on their networks and ban the Gymnastics team from competition for the next 10 years as this doesn't remotely compare to what "supposedly" went on at PSU.

Oh wait, it was only gymnastics, this was man on girl not man on boy and has no high profile personality to go after to divert attention from the real enablers. Move along, nothing here...
 
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Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
True. As to Lou Anna Simon, she just needs to leave the public stage for ever.
 
Totally agree. lighting torches, storming old main, and lynching officials that were legitimately fooled doesn't seem like a way to get more people to work with kids and want to get involved.

Having said that, I don't know if people criminally enabled this guy so a thorough investigation is needed.

Nor do I, but it seems they may have been one heck of a lot more culpable than anyone at Penn State.
 
True. As to Lou Anna Simon, she just needs to leave the public stage for ever.


I can see Emmert finding a place for her in the ncaa offices somewhere after a few months pass.

In her statement last night she all but portrayed herself as an innocent martyr sacrificing herself for “team MSU”.

That kind of arrogance fits in well in the Indianapolis NCAA offices. ;)
 
I agree wholeheartedly with the comments by wensilver and demlion concerning how Jim Clemente's report was a lost opportunity to educate the public about nice guy offenders. The Nassar case is a second chance to educate. Any bets that the media ignore this opportunity as well?
Agreed....and it is why we have more CYA funding than prevention.
 
Kamerin Moore did more Public Service in her SEVEN minute YouTube video - than Louis Freeh ever did in his ONE HOUR press conference.

That's unacceptable. Louis Freeh enabled this to go on since July 2012.

Why it was up to these young women to get answers is mind-boggling.

Someone in the MEDIA with a PLATFORM needs to put Freeh on the Hot Seat. He clearly had Kenneth Lanning speak with his investigative team on the proper lens for his "Penn State report". Freeh actively chose to conceal that FBI knowledge from the public at large, preferring instead to seek good publicity for his fledgling firm Freeh Sporkin & Sullivan.

For $8.3 MILLION Freeh could have easily gotten the Board out of the shits AND educated the public.

 
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I agree wholeheartedly with the comments by wensilver and demlion concerning how Jim Clemente's report was a lost opportunity to educate the public about nice guy offenders. The Nassar case is a second chance to educate. Any bets that the media ignore this opportunity as well?

Public lynchings sell more newspapers than solving problems. In fact, it is against their own self interest to solve these problem. If Ganim has no sexual scandals to talk about, she is stuck talking about the snow removal problems in Portland, Maine.
 
You know Clemente is being sued for wrongfully accusing Jean Bonet Ramsey’s brother of killing her in a cbs documentary right? There are others that know the PSU case much better. John Sneddon is one.

Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
 
You know Clemente is being sued for wrongfully accusing Jean Bonet Ramsey’s brother of killing her in a cbs documentary right? There are others that know the PSU case much better. John Sneddon is one.

He is...but in this case, he isn't making an accusation that anyone was guilty or not...he is suggesting that care givers need to be more understanding of how "nice guy predators" work. Because they are very deceptive and the common care giver is easily fooled. So your point isn't really relative.
 
You know Clemente is being sued for wrongfully accusing Jean Bonet Ramsey’s brother of killing her in a cbs documentary right? There are others that know the PSU case much better. John Sneddon is one.
OK. So what? Are you really saying that because he is wrong about that (if he is) that the data and information and statistics he and the FBI have gathered about these cases is WRONG? This is not about PSU. It is about Nice Guy Sex Offenders.
 
OK. So what? Are you really saying that because he is wrong about that (if he is) that the data and information and statistics he and the FBI have gathered about these cases is WRONG? This is not about PSU. It is about Nice Guy Sex Offenders.
You are replying to someone in denial about Jerry harming anyone...just realize that and adjust accordingly.
 
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The Larry Nassar asteroid was going to hit, no matter what. Louis Freeh could have helped lessen the critical mass of that asteroid back in July 2012 and provide an early warning before the impact.

But he didn't.

Now it's a smoking crater of ruin 100s of miles wide. Alas.

But in hearing these statements and reading the information, Nassar's intravaginal "technique" was well published. He conducted training on it. He had videos. I am wondering where the medical community was in all of this - asking about the "nuances" of the procedure (versus an outright abusive gynecological pelvic exam) and his protocol with his minor patients from the very get-go.

It seems that Larry was able to set medical policy with USAG/USOC as well. It appears he was able to get out in front of all of this and actually set it up policy to his advantage. There are still A LOT of questions that need to be asked about oversight from the MSU, USAG & USOC medical community in this.

That medical expertise was never in Klages or Simon's wheelhouse. Torching them isn't going to answer that.
Very good point. At the end of the day, it’s up to the medical and scientific professionals to set medical policy, determine appropriateness of action, etc. In this case, a Fox was guarding the hen house.
And, assuming the best of intentions (for the sake of the point), maybe they simply weren’t prepared to see the situation for what it was, didn’t have a clear path to addressing it, didn’t want to face the likely consequences of being wrong when raising concerns about a pillar of the community, etc. Sounds familiar.

Aside from the horrific experiences of the victims (I feel most saddened for them), it’s really saddening to hear these “but we’re not as bad as Penn State” and “this is different” deflections. These “leaders” seem more focused on controlling and establishing the story of the [fill in name of institution] scandal than recognizing the reality that these predators are operating in plain sight and taking advantage of their positions of trust and the well-meaning people who trust them. Totally misses out on the opportunity to help EVERYONE. THERE ARE OTHER VICTIMS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW!

The Penn State scandal needs to only be relevant as an example of what we need to wrap our arms around: that there doesn’t need to be a conspiracy for these things to happen!
 
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Agreed 1,000%+. What about all the rest of the administrators involved in this COVER UP! The Gymnastic Team coaches, the Director of Athletics, the VP and quite possibly the BOT. Resignation is not enough. They all along with the University must be tried in a court of law, or at the very least, by a Louis Freeh like organization hired by the NCAA to do a hit job on the University and get the media to parade unceasing air time on their networks and ban the Gymnastics team from competition for the next 10 years as this doesn't remotely compare to what "supposedly" went on at PSU.

Oh wait, it was only gymnastics, this was man on girl not man on boy and has no high profile personality to go after to divert attention from the real enablers. Move along, nothing here...
Why does there have to be a cover up? Many of us still question whether what we had was a cover up or a failure to do the right things. Right or wrong? Still unclear.

People at PSU had enough info to do more, but didn’t. And that was wrong. But I'm still not buying any conspiracy cover-up theory.

Same at MSU, USOC, USAG, etc. Failure to do more even if doing more is the right thing or required by law isn’t necessarily the same thing as a cover-up. Could be, but not necessarily.

We, of all groups, should not rush to presume a cover up at MSU.
 
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I don't want to get into an argument about what Louis' moral obligations were and not were. But, I will say that Freeh was simply the messenger - the real culprit is the OBGOT.

And the 2M would be considered a very close ally.
 
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Why does there have to be a cover up? Many of us still question whether what we had was a cover up or a failure to do the right things. Right or wrong? Still unclear.

People at PSU had enough info to do more, but didn’t. And that was wrong.

Same at MSU, USOC, USAG, etc. Failure to do more even if doing more is the right thing or required by law isn’t necessarily the same thing as a cover-up. Could be, but not necessarily.

We, of all groups, should not rush to presume a cover up at MSU.
Your opinion and I'm not buyin it. What if they did in your words "more", and if so how much "more", and were wrong? Why did our three administrators finally only get charged with trumped up misdemeanors? I suppose they had really good attorney's?

Care to address the following points posted by a respected member back in 2016???

Fact 1
Joe Paterno never covered up for Jerry Sandusky.
From the State Prosecutors Office. Chief Deputy Attorney General Frank Fina, the man who led the Sandusky investigation, told 60 Minutes Sports Armen Keteyian he has examined all evidence and found no evidence that Joe Paterno participated in a cover up of any sort.
Joe Paterno did put Mike McQueary in DIRECT touch with both AD Tim Curley, Joe Paterno’s direct supervisor, and Gary Schultz who had oversight of University Police Department. PSU Police Force is the real Police. The Penn State police force comprises 46 armed officers. According to state law, these have both the power and the duty "to prevent crime, investigate criminal acts … and carry the offender before the proper alderman, justice of the peace, magistrate or bail commissioner."

Fact 2
Joe Paterno never interfered with the justice system
. Carmine W. Prestia Jr. I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.
http://www.statecollege.com/news/co...gn-paterno-tampered-in-justice-system,988524/

Fact 3
When Mike called home MOMENTS after the 2001 incident Mike McQueary told his father TWICE he saw nothing more than Jerry Sandusky in a shower with a boy.
Regardless of what Mike now "claims" hours, weeks, months, years later Mike witnessed no sexual act. After that phone call, everything he told/testified to others about what he saw that was not that he SAW NOTHING SEXUAL was manufactured in his head.
John McQueary in his testimony began by recounting the phone call he received from his son moments after witnessing Sandusky and a child in the Lasch building shower room in 2001. His wife answered the phone and immediately handed him the phone, saying “It’s Mike. There’s something wrong.”
I just saw something, I saw Coach Sandusky in the shower with a young boy,” John recalled his son saying.
“I asked him if he had seen anal sex and I got more descriptive. ‘Did you see anything you could verify’ — penetration or maybe I used the word sodomy,” he said. According to his father, Mike McQueary responded, “No, I didn’t actually see that” John McQueary says he asked again, “So you didn’t witness penetration or ANYTHING ELSE you can verify?” His son AGAIN said NO.

Fact 4
The Grand Jury report incorrectly stated that Mike McQueary had witnessed a rape. See also fact #3.
Joe Paterno was never told a report of a child was being raped. Mike McQueary has testified that he never witnessed Jerry Sandusky raping a boy in the shower, and didn’t tell anyone that he did. Because of the lack of evidence, Jerry was not convicted of a rape with regard to this 2001 incident. Also no victim testified in this incident. There has been no one who has come forward that has been found to be truthful that they were sexually assaulted in the shower that night in 2001. There has been a person who has come forward to say that he was there with Jerry that night and was not sexually assaulted. There were THREE not guilty verdicts in the Sandusky case and one of them was Count 7 --the incendiary allegation of a rape (IDSI) -- made by Mike McQueary regarding the 2001 incident.

Fact 5
Joe Paterno was praised by the Attorney General office for his correct handling of the Jerry Sandusky incident in 2001.
Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno did the right thing and reported an eye-witness report of child sex abuse by Jerry Sandusky in the football locker room in 2001, according to the indictment released this morning by the state Attorney General.

Fact 6
Joe Paterno did not ask Mike McQueary to stay quiet on the 2001 incident.
Mike said no one ever gave him instructions to not talk about it. Mike said Coach Paterno was great about the whole thing.

Fact 7
The Office for the Attorney General did not feel Joe Paterno’s reporting of Jerry Sandusky were cause to be fired.
Paterno is accused of no wrongdoing, and in fact authorities have said he fulfilled his legal obligations by reporting to his superiors. Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

Fact 8
Child Welfare agencies approved Jerry Sandusky to adopt 6 children.
These were agencies that were educated and trained to spot people who were harmful to children. Jerry Sandusky also fostered dozens more children approved by these agencies. The agencies continued to place the children in Jerry Sandusky’s care over the years, and continued to allow Jerry Sandusky access to children at the 2nd Mile charity for at-risk youths.

Fact 9
The 2nd Mile Charity and youth agencies provided Jerry Sandusky access to trouble youths.
The 2nd Mile gave one on one access to mentors and youth through The Friend and Friend Fitness programs, which pair up adults with children in the hope of fostering positive role model-mentor relationships. The Friend Fitness Program is a mentorship program involving college and elementary students who join together and participate in healthy, educational activities. The Friend Fitness program was available only in Centre County for adolescents.

Fact 10
Joe Paterno didn’t agree with giving 2nd Mile charity access to PSU facilities for 2nd Mile use in Jerry Sandusky retirement package due to insurance liability issues.
Joe was overruled. In the Jerry Sandusky Penn State Retirement Package in 1998- Sandusky asked for access to training and workout facilities. Paterno put a check mark next to that request to deny that request. In a sidebar, Paterno asked if this was for Sandusky's personal use, or for Second Mile kids, and indicated that due to liability problems, facility access should not be extended to Second Mile kids. Paterno was overruled and Jerry Sandusky was granted access to bring Second Mile kids to workout facilities for the 2nd Mile Friends Fitness program.

Fact 11
Jerry Sandusky was retired from Penn State in 1999. He did not coach at Penn State after 1999 and wasn't coaching during the 2001 incident.
For his retirement package he received Emeritus Status. The state was offering 30-year employees a handsome buyout, and Paterno believed Sandusky should take it. Paterno was frustrated that Sandusky spent so much time working on his youth foundation, The Second Mile, that he was not available to help in recruiting and other coaching duties. “He came to see me and we talked a little about his career,” Paterno said. “I said, you know, Jerry, you want to be head coach, you can’t do as much as you’re doing with the other operation. I said this job takes so much detail, and for you to think you can go off and get involved in fundraising and a lot of things like that.. . . I said you can’t do both, that’s basically what I told him.” Even Louis Freeh, could not find a connection to Jerry retiring (see the Freeh report beginning at page 55.)

Fact 12
Due to Jerry Sandusky Emeritus Status, Joe Paterno and Penn State could not remove Jerry Sandusky’s access to Penn State Facilities because he had not been convicted of a crime
. Emeritus Status (entitles bearer to a lifetime office and lifetime access to campus) The Freeh report (page 81) states that University counsel (Cynthia Baldwin) said that the University could not legally revoke Sandusky's access to the athletic facilities because of his Emeritus status, and because he had not been convicted of a crime. Page 106 reiterates this. Page 107 adds that Baldwin said "his access could not be eliminated without the University being sued."

Fact 13
In the Jerry Sandusky trial, no victims testified against Jerry Sandusky that they were abused on Penn State’s campus in 2001.
Also zero victims testified in the trial that they were abused on PSU campus after 2001. MM also testified in the 12/16/11 prelim that after 2001 he never once saw JS around the program with a kid again.

Fact 14
Joe Paterno had no knowledge of 1998 Jerry Sandusky incident being a crime
. What was eventually known is that Jerry Sandusky was exonerated. The 1998 incident was reported to police and thoroughly investigated by all agencies. The police went as far to set up a sting operation by recording conversations Sandusky had with the boy’s mother. The incident was investigated to the fullest extent and the District Attorney concluded no crimes were committed. DPW didn't even think there was enough cause to "indicate" Jerry Sandusky (a much lower standard is needed for this vs. bringing criminal charges btw) nor did they remove his 1 on 1 access to kids after the 1998 claims.In accordance with 055 Pa. Code § 3490.91. regarding the confidentiality of child abuse reports, the information regarding the nature of the 1998 child abuse investigation of Jerry Sandusky was not provided to Timothy Curley, Dr. Graham Spanier, or Joe Paterno. The Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, Department of Public Welfare, County Youth Services, and the 2nd Mile which is a state licensed children's charity didn't limit Jerry Sandusky access to children after this incident.

Fact 15
There are no facts that point to Paterno knowing anything in 1970’s
. Joe Paterno had been questioned in his Grand jury testimony if he had any prior to 2001 knowledge of Jerry Sandusky inappropriate sexual conduct.
Q: Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?
Mr. Paterno: I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no. I do not know of it.

Even the 1976 accuser’s own lawyer Michael Boni said “The headlines of these stories is Paterno knew of Sandusky’s molestation in the ’70s, ’76 or ’77. I’m unaware of direct, irrefutable evidence that that’s the case. Believe me, I’m the last person to defend the guy, but I am the first person to believe in our justice system. And I think you need more than anecdotal evidence or speculative evidence.”

There are 2 claims of abuse in the 1970’s but neither falls into the way Jerry Sandusky was to have victimized the boys
Sandusky victimizing acts according to testimony from his reported victims:
1. Never victimized a female.
2. Never victimized a minor male in the presence of a minor female.
3. Never overtly victimized a minor male in the presence of other minor males.
4. Never overtly victimized a minor male in the (known) presence of other adults.
5. Never victimized a stranger.
6. Never used violence to force himself on a minor male.
7. Never provided victims with drugs or alcohol in the commission of his crimes.
Yet the 70’s claims and previously publicized claims include one or more of these as allegations by claimants who received settlements from Penn State. According to Sandusky's criminal profile, he was an acquaintance offender who slowly groomed his victims to comply with various levels of sexual abuse. Not all victims would comply to the same levels, therefore there is varying testimony about the actual crimes. However, what was consistent among Sandusky's victims was the manner in which he operated or his modus operandi. He met his victims through The Second Mile, took about one year to assess them and choose his targets, then began the grooming and apparently victimizing of them.

Fact 16
PSU Board of Trustees did not check the veracity of civil claims of abuse
. They paid claims in the amount of $92 million. Each settlement that PSU paid contained a clause that prevented the claimant to pursue additional monetary compensation from The Second Mile and/or former board members of The Second Mile.

Fact 17
Joe and Sue Paterno allowed their own kids to play with Jerry Sandusky.
"Do you think we'd let our kids play with someone who might be a pedophile?" she asked. "Obviously we were all totally unaware."

Fact 18
Joe Paterno handled the McQueary info how PA sexual abuse detective says it should be handled
. http://chirb.it/t5dK4p 18 year PA sexual abuse detective on what was required and expected of Joe Paterno and the protocol he used. He says Joe Paterno should not have done more.

Fact 19
Joe Paterno did not say he should have done more.
What he did say was qualified: “With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more” Hindsight: wisdom or knowledge gained only after something (usually bad) has happened as was the case in 2011 after Joe Paterno found out the seriousness of the charges against Jerry Sandusky.

Fact 20
Joe Paterno never committed a major recruiting violation
. For someone who people claim he covered up for Jerry Sandusky in order to win football games one would think that sort of person would then treat rules like recruiting rules with little care. Yet as of 2016, there are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list of non-cheating schools. They are Penn State, Boston College, Northwestern, and Stanford.

Fact 21
Joe Paterno's FBI file included zero mentions of Jerry Sandusky or any mention of Joe Paterno being aware of Jerry Sandusky being a child sexual predator.
The file’s accessible 868 pages don’t mention Jerry Sandusky or the former Penn State assistant coach’s child sexual abuse scandal.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/29/joe-paterno-fbi-file-makes-no-mention-jerry-sandus/

Fact 22
Louis Freeh was unwilling to testify to the conclusions of the Freeh Report in court.
Freeh asked Judge Gary S. Glazer on May 27 to quash a subpoena from Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association Insurance Co. seeking his deposition testimony on the investigation, saying that Penn State hasn’t waived the attorney-client privilege protecting communications between the university and the investigators, with the exception of what was disclosed in the public report. Furthermore, Freeh’s testimony would be limited to the contents of the report, thus constituting inadmissible hearsay, according to the motion.

Fact 23
Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky were not friends off the field.
Despite the media all using the same 1 image of Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky standing together, a biography of Penn State football coach Joe Paterno lays out details about his relationship with Jerry Sandusky, including the fact that the two hardly got along - if ever.
In his biography, Paterno, former Sports Illustrated columnist Joe Posnanski writes that the once-iconic coach became irritated with his defensive coordinator when he realized that Sandusky's first priority did not appear to be Penn State football. Paterno, was apparently bothered that Sandusky was focused more on his charity, the Second Mile, than team meetings and recruiting new players.

Jim Clemente is a retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent/Profiler and former Prosecutor for the New York City Law Department During his 22-year career with the FBI, He is an internationally recognized expert in the fields of Child Sexual Victimization, Sexual Homicide, and Child Abduction. Today he teaches and gives presentations around the world. He also consults on Criminal and Civil cases. This Sandusky case is a textbook example of how people in the general public misinterpret the behavior of child sex offenders. And, Jerry Sandusky is a textbook example of a preferential child sex offender and a “nice-guy” acquaintance offender. He effectively groomed most of the people who came in contact with him, including child care experts, psychologists, professionals, celebrities, athletes, coaches, friends and family. The sad truth is people do not recognize the “grooming” behavior of “nice-guy” acquaintance offenders, especially when they know or are close to that person. Unfortunately for the ordinary layman, these type of grooming techniques, as employed by Sandusky, create a huge obstacle to identifying actual offenders. In order to identify and stop child molesters, we must understand how grooming works and the complicated, counter-intuitive dynamics of child sexual victimization.

Fact 24
Media fell for false narrative in Atlanta Olympic bomber case when Louis Freeh pinned the crime falsely on Richard Jewell.
In its rush to show the world how quickly it could get is man, the FBI trampled on my rights as a citizen. In its rush for the headline that the hero was the bomber, the media cared nothing for my feelings as a human being. In their mad rush to fulfill their own personal agendas, the FBI and the media almost destroyed me and my mother. You, the media, were looking too. Your cameras trained on my mother and me, your cameras and the FBI followed my every move. I felt like a hunted animal, followed constantly, waiting to be killed. The media said I fit the profile of a lone bomber. That was a lie. The media said I was a former law enforcement officer, a frustrated police wannabe. That was a lie. I was then and am now a law enforcement officer. The fact that I was between jobs and took a position as a security guard at the Olympics did not change that fact. The media said I was an overzealous officer. That was a lie. Three days into the process, the press went into a kind of media frenzy, and at that particular point, the press was not doing Mr. Jewell, the facts, the case, anybody any great service.
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/j6075/edit/readings/jewell.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/sports-july-dec96-jewell_10-28/

Fact 25
Media fell for false narrative in Duke Lacrosse case that the Duke Lacrosse was covering up for rape.
“The media quickly latched onto a narrative too seductive to check: rich, wild, white jocks had brutalized a working class, black mother of two,” reads the American Journalism Review’s analysis.

Fact 26
Media fell for false narrative in Virginia Fraternity rape case.
Media Bias: Nearly 40 years ago, Bob Dylan, singing about what he felt was a miscarriage of justice, said, "The newspapers, they all went along for the ride." Today the ride goes on, with broadcasters having jumped aboard. This time, the ride was on the back of a University of Virginia fraternity, smeared by a Rolling Stone article accusing members of the group of the gang rape of a female freshman named "Jackie." "The major broadcast networks," reports the Media Research Center, a media watchdog group, "rushed to the story and devoted multiple segments to both the article and reaction on the school's campus." On Nov. 23 and 24, the Big Three networks devoted "11 minutes and 14 seconds" of coverage to the gang rape story. They, of course, were happy to, because it supported the narrative that a brutal "rape culture" exists on American campuses. The narrative has been discredited, but the media played a prominent role in its development and will not easily let it go.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/rolling-stone-rape-story-example-of-media-bias/

Mantra
“Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world -- "No, YOU move.”
 
Nice Guy Sex offenders. Hundreds, maybe even thousands of them. Waiting to see whether one of these huge institutions will undertake to drill the ideas in the Clemente report, in one form or another, onto the heads of every single person responsible for the welfare of a child.

Or, indeed, into the heads of anyone. Or if they will even mention it in passing. Or if the idea that we can stop these men is ever even going to be addressed.

Making a scapegoat of Lou Anna Simon is no substitute.
I can't agree more with this. Two remarkably similar situations in these sagas- Kyle Stephens tells her own parents she is being abused by Nassar (family friend) and they DONT believe her. He is able to convince the parents that she is lying. MM tells PSU admin whatever story he tells them...and they essentially don't believe him.

People need to start learning fast that these guys are master manipulators and can operate right under your nose without suspicion. Sadly, too many are preoccupied with assigning blame to understand this twisted concept.

Understand it so we can prevent the next one.
 
Your opinion and I'm not buyin it. What if they did in your words "more", and if so how much "more", and were wrong? Why did our three administrators finally only get charged with trumped up misdemeanors? I suppose they had really good attorney's?

Care to address the following points posted by a respected member back in 2016???

Fact 1
Joe Paterno never covered up for Jerry Sandusky.
From the State Prosecutors Office. Chief Deputy Attorney General Frank Fina, the man who led the Sandusky investigation, told 60 Minutes Sports Armen Keteyian he has examined all evidence and found no evidence that Joe Paterno participated in a cover up of any sort.
Joe Paterno did put Mike McQueary in DIRECT touch with both AD Tim Curley, Joe Paterno’s direct supervisor, and Gary Schultz who had oversight of University Police Department. PSU Police Force is the real Police. The Penn State police force comprises 46 armed officers. According to state law, these have both the power and the duty "to prevent crime, investigate criminal acts … and carry the offender before the proper alderman, justice of the peace, magistrate or bail commissioner."

Fact 2
Joe Paterno never interfered with the justice system
. Carmine W. Prestia Jr. I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.
http://www.statecollege.com/news/co...gn-paterno-tampered-in-justice-system,988524/

Fact 3
When Mike called home MOMENTS after the 2001 incident Mike McQueary told his father TWICE he saw nothing more than Jerry Sandusky in a shower with a boy.
Regardless of what Mike now "claims" hours, weeks, months, years later Mike witnessed no sexual act. After that phone call, everything he told/testified to others about what he saw that was not that he SAW NOTHING SEXUAL was manufactured in his head.
John McQueary in his testimony began by recounting the phone call he received from his son moments after witnessing Sandusky and a child in the Lasch building shower room in 2001. His wife answered the phone and immediately handed him the phone, saying “It’s Mike. There’s something wrong.”
I just saw something, I saw Coach Sandusky in the shower with a young boy,” John recalled his son saying.
“I asked him if he had seen anal sex and I got more descriptive. ‘Did you see anything you could verify’ — penetration or maybe I used the word sodomy,” he said. According to his father, Mike McQueary responded, “No, I didn’t actually see that” John McQueary says he asked again, “So you didn’t witness penetration or ANYTHING ELSE you can verify?” His son AGAIN said NO.

Fact 4
The Grand Jury report incorrectly stated that Mike McQueary had witnessed a rape. See also fact #3.
Joe Paterno was never told a report of a child was being raped. Mike McQueary has testified that he never witnessed Jerry Sandusky raping a boy in the shower, and didn’t tell anyone that he did. Because of the lack of evidence, Jerry was not convicted of a rape with regard to this 2001 incident. Also no victim testified in this incident. There has been no one who has come forward that has been found to be truthful that they were sexually assaulted in the shower that night in 2001. There has been a person who has come forward to say that he was there with Jerry that night and was not sexually assaulted. There were THREE not guilty verdicts in the Sandusky case and one of them was Count 7 --the incendiary allegation of a rape (IDSI) -- made by Mike McQueary regarding the 2001 incident.

Fact 5
Joe Paterno was praised by the Attorney General office for his correct handling of the Jerry Sandusky incident in 2001.
Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno did the right thing and reported an eye-witness report of child sex abuse by Jerry Sandusky in the football locker room in 2001, according to the indictment released this morning by the state Attorney General.

Fact 6
Joe Paterno did not ask Mike McQueary to stay quiet on the 2001 incident.
Mike said no one ever gave him instructions to not talk about it. Mike said Coach Paterno was great about the whole thing.

Fact 7
The Office for the Attorney General did not feel Joe Paterno’s reporting of Jerry Sandusky were cause to be fired.
Paterno is accused of no wrongdoing, and in fact authorities have said he fulfilled his legal obligations by reporting to his superiors. Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

Fact 8
Child Welfare agencies approved Jerry Sandusky to adopt 6 children.
These were agencies that were educated and trained to spot people who were harmful to children. Jerry Sandusky also fostered dozens more children approved by these agencies. The agencies continued to place the children in Jerry Sandusky’s care over the years, and continued to allow Jerry Sandusky access to children at the 2nd Mile charity for at-risk youths.

Fact 9
The 2nd Mile Charity and youth agencies provided Jerry Sandusky access to trouble youths.
The 2nd Mile gave one on one access to mentors and youth through The Friend and Friend Fitness programs, which pair up adults with children in the hope of fostering positive role model-mentor relationships. The Friend Fitness Program is a mentorship program involving college and elementary students who join together and participate in healthy, educational activities. The Friend Fitness program was available only in Centre County for adolescents.

Fact 10
Joe Paterno didn’t agree with giving 2nd Mile charity access to PSU facilities for 2nd Mile use in Jerry Sandusky retirement package due to insurance liability issues.
Joe was overruled. In the Jerry Sandusky Penn State Retirement Package in 1998- Sandusky asked for access to training and workout facilities. Paterno put a check mark next to that request to deny that request. In a sidebar, Paterno asked if this was for Sandusky's personal use, or for Second Mile kids, and indicated that due to liability problems, facility access should not be extended to Second Mile kids. Paterno was overruled and Jerry Sandusky was granted access to bring Second Mile kids to workout facilities for the 2nd Mile Friends Fitness program.

Fact 11
Jerry Sandusky was retired from Penn State in 1999. He did not coach at Penn State after 1999 and wasn't coaching during the 2001 incident.
For his retirement package he received Emeritus Status. The state was offering 30-year employees a handsome buyout, and Paterno believed Sandusky should take it. Paterno was frustrated that Sandusky spent so much time working on his youth foundation, The Second Mile, that he was not available to help in recruiting and other coaching duties. “He came to see me and we talked a little about his career,” Paterno said. “I said, you know, Jerry, you want to be head coach, you can’t do as much as you’re doing with the other operation. I said this job takes so much detail, and for you to think you can go off and get involved in fundraising and a lot of things like that.. . . I said you can’t do both, that’s basically what I told him.” Even Louis Freeh, could not find a connection to Jerry retiring (see the Freeh report beginning at page 55.)

Fact 12
Due to Jerry Sandusky Emeritus Status, Joe Paterno and Penn State could not remove Jerry Sandusky’s access to Penn State Facilities because he had not been convicted of a crime
. Emeritus Status (entitles bearer to a lifetime office and lifetime access to campus) The Freeh report (page 81) states that University counsel (Cynthia Baldwin) said that the University could not legally revoke Sandusky's access to the athletic facilities because of his Emeritus status, and because he had not been convicted of a crime. Page 106 reiterates this. Page 107 adds that Baldwin said "his access could not be eliminated without the University being sued."

Fact 13
In the Jerry Sandusky trial, no victims testified against Jerry Sandusky that they were abused on Penn State’s campus in 2001.
Also zero victims testified in the trial that they were abused on PSU campus after 2001. MM also testified in the 12/16/11 prelim that after 2001 he never once saw JS around the program with a kid again.

Fact 14
Joe Paterno had no knowledge of 1998 Jerry Sandusky incident being a crime
. What was eventually known is that Jerry Sandusky was exonerated. The 1998 incident was reported to police and thoroughly investigated by all agencies. The police went as far to set up a sting operation by recording conversations Sandusky had with the boy’s mother. The incident was investigated to the fullest extent and the District Attorney concluded no crimes were committed. DPW didn't even think there was enough cause to "indicate" Jerry Sandusky (a much lower standard is needed for this vs. bringing criminal charges btw) nor did they remove his 1 on 1 access to kids after the 1998 claims.In accordance with 055 Pa. Code § 3490.91. regarding the confidentiality of child abuse reports, the information regarding the nature of the 1998 child abuse investigation of Jerry Sandusky was not provided to Timothy Curley, Dr. Graham Spanier, or Joe Paterno. The Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, Department of Public Welfare, County Youth Services, and the 2nd Mile which is a state licensed children's charity didn't limit Jerry Sandusky access to children after this incident.

Fact 15
There are no facts that point to Paterno knowing anything in 1970’s
. Joe Paterno had been questioned in his Grand jury testimony if he had any prior to 2001 knowledge of Jerry Sandusky inappropriate sexual conduct.
Q: Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?
Mr. Paterno: I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no. I do not know of it.

Even the 1976 accuser’s own lawyer Michael Boni said “The headlines of these stories is Paterno knew of Sandusky’s molestation in the ’70s, ’76 or ’77. I’m unaware of direct, irrefutable evidence that that’s the case. Believe me, I’m the last person to defend the guy, but I am the first person to believe in our justice system. And I think you need more than anecdotal evidence or speculative evidence.”

There are 2 claims of abuse in the 1970’s but neither falls into the way Jerry Sandusky was to have victimized the boys
Sandusky victimizing acts according to testimony from his reported victims:
1. Never victimized a female.
2. Never victimized a minor male in the presence of a minor female.
3. Never overtly victimized a minor male in the presence of other minor males.
4. Never overtly victimized a minor male in the (known) presence of other adults.
5. Never victimized a stranger.
6. Never used violence to force himself on a minor male.
7. Never provided victims with drugs or alcohol in the commission of his crimes.
Yet the 70’s claims and previously publicized claims include one or more of these as allegations by claimants who received settlements from Penn State. According to Sandusky's criminal profile, he was an acquaintance offender who slowly groomed his victims to comply with various levels of sexual abuse. Not all victims would comply to the same levels, therefore there is varying testimony about the actual crimes. However, what was consistent among Sandusky's victims was the manner in which he operated or his modus operandi. He met his victims through The Second Mile, took about one year to assess them and choose his targets, then began the grooming and apparently victimizing of them.

Fact 16
PSU Board of Trustees did not check the veracity of civil claims of abuse
. They paid claims in the amount of $92 million. Each settlement that PSU paid contained a clause that prevented the claimant to pursue additional monetary compensation from The Second Mile and/or former board members of The Second Mile.

Fact 17
Joe and Sue Paterno allowed their own kids to play with Jerry Sandusky.
"Do you think we'd let our kids play with someone who might be a pedophile?" she asked. "Obviously we were all totally unaware."

Fact 18
Joe Paterno handled the McQueary info how PA sexual abuse detective says it should be handled
. http://chirb.it/t5dK4p 18 year PA sexual abuse detective on what was required and expected of Joe Paterno and the protocol he used. He says Joe Paterno should not have done more.

Fact 19
Joe Paterno did not say he should have done more.
What he did say was qualified: “With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more” Hindsight: wisdom or knowledge gained only after something (usually bad) has happened as was the case in 2011 after Joe Paterno found out the seriousness of the charges against Jerry Sandusky.

Fact 20
Joe Paterno never committed a major recruiting violation
. For someone who people claim he covered up for Jerry Sandusky in order to win football games one would think that sort of person would then treat rules like recruiting rules with little care. Yet as of 2016, there are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list of non-cheating schools. They are Penn State, Boston College, Northwestern, and Stanford.

Fact 21
Joe Paterno's FBI file included zero mentions of Jerry Sandusky or any mention of Joe Paterno being aware of Jerry Sandusky being a child sexual predator.
The file’s accessible 868 pages don’t mention Jerry Sandusky or the former Penn State assistant coach’s child sexual abuse scandal.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/29/joe-paterno-fbi-file-makes-no-mention-jerry-sandus/

Fact 22
Louis Freeh was unwilling to testify to the conclusions of the Freeh Report in court.
Freeh asked Judge Gary S. Glazer on May 27 to quash a subpoena from Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association Insurance Co. seeking his deposition testimony on the investigation, saying that Penn State hasn’t waived the attorney-client privilege protecting communications between the university and the investigators, with the exception of what was disclosed in the public report. Furthermore, Freeh’s testimony would be limited to the contents of the report, thus constituting inadmissible hearsay, according to the motion.

Fact 23
Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky were not friends off the field.
Despite the media all using the same 1 image of Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky standing together, a biography of Penn State football coach Joe Paterno lays out details about his relationship with Jerry Sandusky, including the fact that the two hardly got along - if ever.
In his biography, Paterno, former Sports Illustrated columnist Joe Posnanski writes that the once-iconic coach became irritated with his defensive coordinator when he realized that Sandusky's first priority did not appear to be Penn State football. Paterno, was apparently bothered that Sandusky was focused more on his charity, the Second Mile, than team meetings and recruiting new players.

Jim Clemente is a retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent/Profiler and former Prosecutor for the New York City Law Department During his 22-year career with the FBI, He is an internationally recognized expert in the fields of Child Sexual Victimization, Sexual Homicide, and Child Abduction. Today he teaches and gives presentations around the world. He also consults on Criminal and Civil cases. This Sandusky case is a textbook example of how people in the general public misinterpret the behavior of child sex offenders. And, Jerry Sandusky is a textbook example of a preferential child sex offender and a “nice-guy” acquaintance offender. He effectively groomed most of the people who came in contact with him, including child care experts, psychologists, professionals, celebrities, athletes, coaches, friends and family. The sad truth is people do not recognize the “grooming” behavior of “nice-guy” acquaintance offenders, especially when they know or are close to that person. Unfortunately for the ordinary layman, these type of grooming techniques, as employed by Sandusky, create a huge obstacle to identifying actual offenders. In order to identify and stop child molesters, we must understand how grooming works and the complicated, counter-intuitive dynamics of child sexual victimization.

Fact 24
Media fell for false narrative in Atlanta Olympic bomber case when Louis Freeh pinned the crime falsely on Richard Jewell.
In its rush to show the world how quickly it could get is man, the FBI trampled on my rights as a citizen. In its rush for the headline that the hero was the bomber, the media cared nothing for my feelings as a human being. In their mad rush to fulfill their own personal agendas, the FBI and the media almost destroyed me and my mother. You, the media, were looking too. Your cameras trained on my mother and me, your cameras and the FBI followed my every move. I felt like a hunted animal, followed constantly, waiting to be killed. The media said I fit the profile of a lone bomber. That was a lie. The media said I was a former law enforcement officer, a frustrated police wannabe. That was a lie. I was then and am now a law enforcement officer. The fact that I was between jobs and took a position as a security guard at the Olympics did not change that fact. The media said I was an overzealous officer. That was a lie. Three days into the process, the press went into a kind of media frenzy, and at that particular point, the press was not doing Mr. Jewell, the facts, the case, anybody any great service.
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/j6075/edit/readings/jewell.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/sports-july-dec96-jewell_10-28/

Fact 25
Media fell for false narrative in Duke Lacrosse case that the Duke Lacrosse was covering up for rape.
“The media quickly latched onto a narrative too seductive to check: rich, wild, white jocks had brutalized a working class, black mother of two,” reads the American Journalism Review’s analysis.

Fact 26
Media fell for false narrative in Virginia Fraternity rape case.
Media Bias: Nearly 40 years ago, Bob Dylan, singing about what he felt was a miscarriage of justice, said, "The newspapers, they all went along for the ride." Today the ride goes on, with broadcasters having jumped aboard. This time, the ride was on the back of a University of Virginia fraternity, smeared by a Rolling Stone article accusing members of the group of the gang rape of a female freshman named "Jackie." "The major broadcast networks," reports the Media Research Center, a media watchdog group, "rushed to the story and devoted multiple segments to both the article and reaction on the school's campus." On Nov. 23 and 24, the Big Three networks devoted "11 minutes and 14 seconds" of coverage to the gang rape story. They, of course, were happy to, because it supported the narrative that a brutal "rape culture" exists on American campuses. The narrative has been discredited, but the media played a prominent role in its development and will not easily let it go.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/rolling-stone-rape-story-example-of-media-bias/

Mantra
“Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world -- "No, YOU move.”
No. I don't care to address your 26 points plus of information that doesn't address or conflict with what I wrote. I will, however, point to my post just above the one you responded to and advise that you're barking up the wrong tree.

EDIT: I added "But I'm still not buying any conspiracy cover-up theory." to the prior post, assuming that makes my point more clear. If that doesn't help you, then I guess you just disagree. No problem there.
 
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I can't agree more with this. Two remarkably similar situations in these sagas- Kyle Stephens tells her own parents she is being abused by Nassar (family friend) and they DONT believe her. He is able to convince the parents that she is lying. MM tells PSU admin whatever story he tells them...and they essentially don't believe him.

People need to start learning fast that these guys are master manipulators and can operate right under your nose without suspicion. Sadly, too many are preoccupied with assigning blame to understand this twisted concept.

Understand it so we can prevent the next one.
+1. Totally agree. Tried to make a similar point in two posts above, but apparently didn't do as good a job. Feel free to step in and try to make sense of whatever counterpoints Big Blue 12 was trying to raise.
 
I can't agree more with this. Two remarkably similar situations in these sagas- Kyle Stephens tells her own parents she is being abused by Nassar (family friend) and they DONT believe her. He is able to convince the parents that she is lying. MM tells PSU admin whatever story he tells them...and they essentially don't believe him.

People need to start learning fast that these guys are master manipulators and can operate right under your nose without suspicion. Sadly, too many are preoccupied with assigning blame to understand this twisted concept.

Understand it so we can prevent the next one.
Plenty of good points but how do you know the PSU administrators did not believe him? Some did know about the incident in 1998 didn't they? I mean talk about a red flag.
 
I can't agree more with this. Two remarkably similar situations in these sagas- Kyle Stephens tells her own parents she is being abused by Nassar (family friend) and they DONT believe her. He is able to convince the parents that she is lying. MM tells PSU admin whatever story he tells them...and they essentially don't believe him.

People need to start learning fast that these guys are master manipulators and can operate right under your nose without suspicion. Sadly, too many are preoccupied with assigning blame to understand this twisted concept.

Understand it so we can prevent the next one.

That is the problem and it's very much rooted in human nature. You doubt your own instincts as you know that person as a Doctor or incredible saint in the community. The thing is there will be false allegations from time to time and that does truly suck, but people cannot still go the person accused and expect them to confess anymore. They won't do it and even Nasser is back tracking on his confession. The AG now manipulated him and these kids kept coming back to him or giving referrals. These people are so sick in the head that they carefully create and protect their "images". You have to report first and trust the child or children are being honest without confronting the person being accused.

It's great to say everyone should have known and it's the easiest thing to say, but these guys aren't out there with a pedo tattoo on their forehead. You don't abuse that many victims without being "good" at being a disgusting creep. Report first and apologize later...I'm not sure how you can go to anyone anymore and expect an honest answer. Priests, Doctors, childrens charity.....these are people you grow up being told to trust. I really think the human element of people second guessing their own judgement comes into play.....it's the only thing that semi makes sense to me.
 
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