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Zion: thoughts on his future?

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Superstar?
Above Average Player?
Average Flayer?
Overrated?


Thoughts?

The kid has all the spotlight on him and it will probably help him not to be in NYC at this point in his career.

And yes-I can refer to him by only one name.
 
He is a massive human being. That worries me about his future, physically.
Seems like a good kid though. I hope he has success.
 
Physically gifted, labronish. Leg injury is a concern, can his body hold up carrying that dude and weight? Will he have the work ethic to shape his body both in terms of working out and nutrition? One never knows when a kid suddenly gets$30 million. They never have to work again a day in their life so it is a matter of desire and competitiveness.

He is a clear game changer with a little luck. I really like Ja and am disappointed the cavs don't get him. There is some talk that they will try to trade love for the Lakers pick
 
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Obliviax said:
Physically gifted, labronish. Leg injury is a concern, can his body hold up carrying that dude and weight? Will he have the work ethic to shape his body both in terms of working out and nutrition? One never knows when a kid suddenly gets$30 million. They never have to work again a day in their life so it is a matter of desire and competitiveness.

He is a clear game changer with a little luck. I really like Ja and am disappointed the cavs don't get him. There is some talk that they will try to trade love for the Lakers pick
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Exactly not sure his body will hold up long term. Will he end up Barkley and starting having back and knee problems carrying that weight around. Guy should be dynamite player initially. Much like Barkley was when he entered the league.
 
psuro said:
Superstar?
Above Average Player?
Average Flayer?
Overrated?


Thoughts?
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He clearly has the physical tools to be a historical, game-changing superstar player. IMHO there are 2 fundamental unknowns about him:
1. Can he make the psychological transition from playing at a level where his physical tools/talent where sufficient for success into a league of where the average player can test him physically?
2. (And this applies to any athlete who turns pro) Can he navigate the psychological and motivational transition from playing "for the love of the game" to playing for his paycheck?

And, of course, his free throw accuracy will need to improve. My guess is that he will ultimately be successful.
 
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psuro said:
Superstar?
Above Average Player?
Average Flayer?
Overrated?


Thoughts?

The kid has all the spotlight on him and it will probably help him not to be in NYC at this point in his career.

And yes-I can refer to him by only one name.
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I was listening to Golic and Wingo on my morning commute. They had Steven A on. Steven A said the Knicks had no intentions of keeping him if they had gotten the top pick. They planned to use him to get AD from New Orleans.

They still might be able to package RJ Barrett (if they get him with the third pick) and Knox to get AD, but apparently the Lakers have better assets to trade (though it's known AD prefers NY to LA).

To answer your question, I'll take both A & D. I think he'll be a superstar but I also don't think he's the "next one" like some seem to think.
 
I think he we be an all star but I dont know if he will be the next big NBA star
 
MJG-90 said:
I was listening to Golic and Wingo on my morning commute. They had Steven A on. Steven A said the Knicks had no intentions of keeping him if they had gotten the top pick. They planned to use him to get AD from New Orleans.

They still might be able to package RJ Barrett (if they get him with the third pick) and Knox to get AD, but apparently the Lakers have better assets to trade (though it's known AD prefers NY to LA).

To answer your question, I'll take both A & D. I think he'll be a superstar but I also don't think he's the "next one" like some seem to think.
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Hmmm...I guess a lot depends on who the knicks can get via free agency with so much cap space and the opportunity to make a ton in endorsements in NYC. I think the knicks go after Kyrie and AD...if they can get them both, might be a good time to take a run at a title. If not, build for the future. Lakers have to win now. They got lucky getting the #3 pick but many feel they'll trade it away to get a star. Locally, Kevin Love's name being thrown around. He likes playing with James and doesn't mind being an all star nobody counts on. Plus, he does a lot of modeling and LA would be awesome for him. But Lakers don't need another project as these young players won't be good until James is gone.
 
psuro said:
Superstar?
Above Average Player?
Average Flayer?
Overrated?


Thoughts?

The kid has all the spotlight on him and it will probably help him not to be in NYC at this point in his career.

And yes-I can refer to him by only one name.
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He'll get drafted by NO, step on a pop top, blow out his flip flop, cut his heel and cruise on back home.
 
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I actually thought he was a little over-rated... BUT that is not his fault. I believe the hype / over-hype he received all year was to the level that he could not possibly live up to the hype machine. If you listened to sports talk or watched college basketball sports shows, the on-air personalities were literally wetting their pants and having orgasms about Zion.

When I watched him, I saw a very good player. A VERY physical player. But not sure if he is the type of athlete who is going to dominate the NBA, like he did 17 year old guys. He is not "long". Relatively speaking he is "only" 6'7". For you & me that's very tall. But when you are going up against 6'9" / 6'10" PFs every night, then you are giving up 3-4 inches every game. He also does not have an explosive first step. I think his 1st step is decisive and it is powerful because of his bulk, but it is not "quick". Again, most PFs in the NBA are at least 240lbs, so having a powerful 1st step and bumping into a 250lb body, is a lot different than bumping into a 190lb 17 year old body.
 
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psuro said:
Superstar?
Above Average Player?
Average Flayer?
Overrated?


Thoughts?

The kid has all the spotlight on him and it will probably help him not to be in NYC at this point in his career.

And yes-I can refer to him by only one name.
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Barkleyesque
 
Kiber said:
I actually thought he was a little over-rated... BUT that is not his fault. I believe the hype / over-hype he received all year was to the level that he could not possibly live up to the hype machine. If you listened to sports talk or watched college basketball sports shows, the on-air personalities were literally wetting their pants and having orgasms about Zion.

When I watched him, I saw a very good player. A VERY physical player. But not sure if he is the type of athlete who is going to dominate the NBA, like he did 17 year old guys. He is not "long". Relatively speaking he is "only" 6'7". For you & me that's very tall. But when you are going up against 6'9" / 6'10" PFs every night, then you are giving up 3-4 inches every game. He also does not have an explosive first step. I think his 1st step is decisive and it is powerful because of his bulk, but it is not "quick". Again, most PFs in the NBA are at least 240lbs, so having a powerful 1st step and bumping into a 250lb body, is a lot different than bumping into a 190lb 17 year old body.
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Agree. He's very young and still has a lot of maturing to do both physically and mentally. And, in that process, who knows what happens. Will have develop that killer attitude and dedication like a Kobe or James? Or, will he take his $30m and go the way of many others who were picked high and disappear? No way to know.
 
ApexLion said:
Barkleyesque
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Kiber said:
I actually thought he was a little over-rated... BUT that is not his fault. I believe the hype / over-hype he received all year was to the level that he could not possibly live up to the hype machine. If you listened to sports talk or watched college basketball sports shows, the on-air personalities were literally wetting their pants and having orgasms about Zion.

When I watched him, I saw a very good player. A VERY physical player. But not sure if he is the type of athlete who is going to dominate the NBA, like he did 17 year old guys. He is not "long". Relatively speaking he is "only" 6'7". For you & me that's very tall. But when you are going up against 6'9" / 6'10" PFs every night, then you are giving up 3-4 inches every game. He also does not have an explosive first step. I think his 1st step is decisive and it is powerful because of his bulk, but it is not "quick". Again, most PFs in the NBA are at least 240lbs, so having a powerful 1st step and bumping into a 250lb body, is a lot different than bumping into a 190lb 17 year old body.
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Barkley is one possible comp, though Zion currently doesn't shoot as well as Barkley did from mid or long range.

Another comp is Draymond Green, with more size and considerably more explosiveness. (I watched a lot of Zion this year, and would disagree with Kiber on Zion's first step and overall explosiveness. His first jump is off the charts, and his second jump is elite also.)

Big plus on competitiveness, team player, coachable, etc.

Good shot at Rookie of the Year IMO, and take it from there.
 
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royboy said:
Barkley is one possible comp, though Zion currently doesn't shoot as well as Barkley did from mid or long range.

Another comp is Draymond Green, with more size and considerably more explosiveness. (I watched a lot of Zion this year, and would disagree with Kiber on Zion's first step and overall explosiveness. His first jump is off the charts, and his second jump is elite also.)

Big plus on competitiveness, team player, coachable, etc.

Good shot at Rookie of the Year IMO, and take it from there.
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Agree...but Barkley was only 6-4 (not sure I believe that as I saw him and jordan together at the NBA all-star game in Phoenix and Barkley was taller than Jordan and MJ is listed as 6-6). Also, Barkley had four years of college entering the NBA as a man. Zion is still a kid. Regardless, he has all the physical tools that cannot be taught. What made a guy like James is that he developed a three, a jump shot, a post move as well as his sheer physical size and speed. To me, when defending a player, you look to see if he has a long set shot, a jumper, or can drive to the hoop. you can defend one, perhaps two. But if the guy has all three you MUST double team. When you double, you leave someone open. Pick your poison. Can Zion develop all three? If he has the work ethic and stays healthy, sure looks like it.
 
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The NBA will be a bit more challenging for Zion. At 6' 6" maybe 6' 7" he will go up against guys that will be able to post up and match his physicality. However, I do believe that he will be a difference maker and mature into a very good BB player, but not a superstar.
 
psuro said:
Superstar?
Above Average Player?
Average Flayer?
Overrated?
Nate says he is overrated.

Thoughts?

The kid has all the spotlight on him and it will probably help him not to be in NYC at this point in his career.

And yes-I can refer to him by only one name.
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psuro said:
Superstar?
Above Average Player?
Average Flayer?
Overrated?


Thoughts?

The kid has all the spotlight on him and it will probably help him not to be in NYC at this point in his career.

And yes-I can refer to him by only one name.
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Nate says he is overrated.
 
I think he is like LeBron combined with Shaq combined with Karl Malone with a little bit of Kobe wrapped into one. Will end up being a Top 3 all time greatest player.
 
Cletus11 said:
I think he is like LeBron combined with Shaq combined with Karl Malone with a little bit of Kobe wrapped into one. Will end up being a Top 3 all time greatest player.
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o_O bold, just bold statement. Like your style.
 
Can he palm the ball, hog the ball, not play defense, and travel all the time? That’s the true test of an nba player.
 
Obliviax said:
Physically gifted, labronish. Leg injury is a concern, can his body hold up carrying that dude and weight? Will he have the work ethic to shape his body both in terms of working out and nutrition? One never knows when a kid suddenly gets$30 million. They never have to work again a day in their life so it is a matter of desire and competitiveness.

He is a clear game changer with a little luck. I really like Ja and am disappointed the cavs don't get him. There is some talk that they will try to trade love for the Lakers pick
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See most 'future stars' at this age. LeBron James was a different athlete. Most forget he played high level HS football too.
 
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Better than Barkley, not quite LeBron. Best comparison is Blake Griffin but he has more upside IMO. Work on shooting and handle, but in the NBA his game will be even more explosive.
 
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