1 of 11 on third down

[tboyer]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

 

[bono47]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

The only saving grace is that IF they get past Maryland, which is a big IF seeing Franklin's alarming and predictable trend rear its ugly head in Minneapolis, he and big game James have everything to play for and a legit shot at proving everyone wrong.

 

[Big 0]

MN had two weeks to prepare the defense for Penn State’s offense and had nearly a season of game film on the PSU O. They did a great job of preparation for Penn State’s tendencies and MO on third down situations. It almost seemed like MN knew what was coming. And Penn State players just did not execute well on the third down plays as well. Losing #68 early in the game didn’t help either.

 

[blair10]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

You are 100% correct. Kotelnicki’s first down plays were so predictable. There were too many run plays to the interior of the line on first down. Minnesota was selling out on the first down runs almost every time.

This led to numerous third and long situations.

 

[m.knox]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

I saw that stat and thought it was an error.

 

[Crusher1950]

No excuses we stank the field up and damn lucky to win that will not get it done in the playoffs

 

[voltz99]

The only saving grace is that IF they get past Maryland, which is a big IF seeing Franklin's alarming and predictable trend rear its ugly head in Minneapolis, he and big game James have everything to play for and a legit shot at proving everyone wrong.

It is Not much of a trend when the team keeps winning 10+ games

 

[heckmans]

It is Not much of a trend when the team keeps winning 10+ games

Really just don't understand you dying on this hill of accepting 10 wins by beating mediocre teams and rarely even being competitive against good teams.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

The only saving grace is that IF they get past Maryland, which is a big IF seeing Franklin's alarming and predictable trend rear its ugly head in Minneapolis, he and big game James have everything to play for and a legit shot at proving everyone wrong.

Franklins alarming predictability...
.What a jokester. Koltenicky's hate of running outside the tackles is a big issue. I suspect that will change. If not, the playoffs will end soon. We will see.

 

[wilbury]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

It's pretty much an outlier as all year, we've been one of the best teams in the country on third down. I agree the play calling wasn't great, but OL injuries and just being overall flat didn't help at all.

 

[ryoder1]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

Pay it back to Warren that who has saved his butt.

 

[bison13]

What were they on 4th downs?

 

[84Lion]

I saw that stat and thought it was an error.

So did I but it's the truth.

What were they on 4th downs?

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/penn...-gophers-202411230031/?section=teamcomparison

3 of 4 on 4th downs. Minny 1 for 1.

Funny thing is, you look at those stats and Penn State won most categories. Despite that, Minnesota dominated TOP.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup/_/gameId/401628559

I think it's reasonable to say that this was an odd game. Minnesota was, I think, helped tremendously by having the bye week.

 

[mgkpsu]

Really just don't understand you dying on this hill of accepting 10 wins by beating mediocre teams and rarely even being competitive against good teams.

He will be back to bash Coach Paterno.

 

[bluewhiteApos]

What were they on 4th downs?

Yeah, but we obviously don’t want to be in those fourth down situations.

 

[royboy]

Watched the replay, more impressed than ever how well Minny tackled. They were terrific at low tackles that stopped promising runs.

Penn State D not doing the basics as well since Manny left.

 

[voltz99]

Watched the replay, more impressed than ever how well Minny tackled. They were terrific at low tackles that stopped promising runs.

Penn State D not doing the basics as well since Manny left.

Was Rojas a good tackler last year?

 

[voltz99]

Really just don't understand you dying on this hill of accepting 10 wins by beating mediocre teams and rarely even being competitive against good teams.

You not only accepted 10 wins a year for beating mediocre teams you actually cherished it. Suddenly you act like the B10 is chop liver and Army, Navy, Airforce, Maryland, Temple, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College were the SEC of the 70s and 80s.



The reality is you have a double standard and at the same time you change the bar.

10 wins gets PSU in the playoff. After that it is a new season. I will take 10 wins while all the teams with the coaches that you want to hire are sitting home.

 

[voltz99]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

Kotelnicki is overrated.


PS. in 2013 Obrien and Christian Heisman went 1 for 16 vs syracuse and 1 for 10 vs EMU. 4 for 34 the first 3 games vs tin cans. Christian Heisman was Last in 3rd down % in the B10 that year.

 

[LionDeNittany]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

Singleton goes down too easy.

 

[heckmans]

You not only accepted 10 wins a year for by beating mediocre teams you actually cherished it. Suddenly you act like the B10 is chop liver and Army, Navy, Airforce, Maryland, Temple, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College and a few mac teams were the SEC of the 70s and 80s.



The reality is you have a double standard and at the same time you change the bar.

10 wins gets PSU in the playoff. After that it is a new season. I will take 10 wins while all the teams with the coaches that you want to hire are sitting home.

What coaches do I want to hire?
You're just making things up.

JF has an abysmal record against teams in the Top 10. You know this is true. His current ceiling is 2 losses in the regular season. It looks like he'll beat that this year. 👍
There could be some favorable matchups for PSU in this year's playoff, but we'll see. Enjoy the playoff my friend.

 

[Lion84]

You are all gonna need a lot of cheese with all that whining.

 

[mgkpsu]

Singleton goes down too easy.

Ae you confused and actually mean Allen (13), who only had two carries over one yard?

 

[LionDeNittany]

Ae you confused and actually mean Allen (13), who only had two carries over one yard?

No. I mean Singleton. It's a big reason we get chunk yards but not short important yards.

 

[psu00]

Watched the replay, more impressed than ever how well Minny tackled. They were terrific at low tackles that stopped promising runs.

Penn State D not doing the basics as well since Manny left.

Yep. I was impressed with Minny’s tackling as well. It really puts to rest the excuse that ‘no one tackles well anymore’ (as if that makes it ok. ).

What will kill Penn St against the better teams is the lack of discipline and poor fundamentals like tackling.

 

[mgkpsu]

No. I mean Singleton. It's a big reason we get chunk yards but not short important yards.

Singleton averages 6 yards per carry and 9.2 yards per reception.

 

[royboy]

Was Rojas a good tackler last year?

As a true freshman last season, did Rojas have enough tackles to say?

 

[lazydave841]

Was Rojas a good tackler last year?

Didn't play enough snaps. He was also primarily used in coverage and blitzing. He's our #2 by default because:

-we had to move Carter
-Jacobs declared
-Elsdon isn't athletic enough to be the full time (and made the same mistakes constantly when he split time with Kobe)
-Wylie is hurt (not positive if he is ready either even if healthy).
-DeLuca is a true hybrid Sam
-Keys kicked off the team
-Tamere and Speca apparently aren't ready (otherwise I think they'd get more snaps)

Rojas is a true Sam. He'd thrive if he could be a 3rd down, situational blitzer/ coverage guy. He's much better at both than he is reading his gap and filling lanes. It's tough to rate his tackling without rewatching his film because he runs himself out of so many plays. That stands out more IMO than the quality of his tackling on a team that tackles below average as a whole.

 

[scrivener]

Singleton averages 6 yards per carry and 9.2 yards per reception.

His longest run in B1G play I believe is 18 yds...for a guy of his speed, that is pretty bad. He doesn't have great shake or short space quickness and really doesn't make many people miss. The overall running game has been a disappointment

 

[lazydave841]

His longest run in B1G play I believe is 18 yds...for a guy of his speed, that is pretty bad. He doesn't have great shake or short space quickness and really doesn't make many people miss. The overall running game has been a disappointment

Probably our best back since Brown, but the competition since his Cotton Bowl showing hasn't been great.

Makes me think.

 

[mgkpsu]

His longest run in B1G play I believe is 18 yds...for a guy of his speed, that is pretty bad. He doesn't have great shake or short space quickness and really doesn't make many people miss. The overall running game has been a disappointment

What does one say in response to someone busting out a stat like that? Should we really be talking about Luke Reynolds (32 yards) as the #1 back?

Ummm...

Singleton has one Big Ten game where his longest rush was single digits. Allen has 3 such games. And we are talking 18 yards versus 24 yards.

 

[scrivener]

What does one say in response to someone busting out a stat like that? Should we really be talking about Luke Reynolds (32 yards) as the #1 back?

Ummm...

Singleton has one Big Ten game where his longest rush was single digits. Allen has 3 such games. And we are talking 18 yards versus 24 yards.

Ok sure...vs Purdue our first two leading rushers were not either of the actual RBs. If u really think the running game hasn't been underwhelming, I don't know what to tell you. JF has made mention of it multiple times...that the conventional running game has needed improvement.

 

[scrivener]

Probably our best back since Brown, but the competition since his Cotton Bowl showing hasn't been great.

Makes me think.

For sure he is...but as u said...a ton of high star guys who didn't pan out.

 

[voltz99]

What coaches do I want to hire?
You're just making things up.

JF has an abysmal record against teams in the Top 10. You know this is true. His current ceiling is 2 losses in the regular season. It looks like he'll beat that this year. 👍
There could be some favorable matchups for PSU in this year's playoff, but we'll see. Enjoy the playoff my friend.

Kind of like you making things up when you say the team is rarely competitive vs good teams. The team is 10-1. Did you count wins vs unranked teams in the 70s-90s?

 

[mgkpsu]

Ok sure...vs Purdue our first two leading rushers were not either of the actual RBs. If u really think the running game hasn't been underwhelming, I don't know what to tell you. JF has made mention of it multiple times...that the conventional running game has needed improvement.

I was talking about Singleton versus Allen. I'm not saying that the run game as a whole is all sunshine and rainbows, but we are about to be 11-1 for the first time under Franklin, so no reason for the "woe is me" schtick.

 

[lazydave841]

For sure he is...but as u said...a ton of high star guys who didn't pan out.

Recruiting or development?

Time to bring back Huff and Gattis?

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Kind of like you making things up when you say the team is rarely competitive vs good teams. The team is 10-1. Did you count wins vs unranked teams in the 70s-90s?

The big difference between then versus now is that there was never a kickoff where we thought for sure that the game would end in a loss. Perhaps the one time that was true (87 Fiesta against Miami) we actually won the game. Fast forward to today and we think we have a team that could compete every game but for some opponents we always have to expect a loss. That is the Franklin versus Paterno factor. It's all about preparation.

There are a few references in this thread to the fact that Minnesota had a bye week and extra time to prepare. Why is that never true of Franklin teams? When we get extra time it seems the team starts flat, not better prepared for the opponent. I no longer think of a bye week as a positive. Not unless we start back with a cupcake game to warm back up. Under those circumstances the extra time is good to heal up.

Over the years Franklin has shown nothing when it comes to using extra time well. That is probably the most telling issue. For whatever reason it seems he prioritizes recruiting over player development.

Watch what happens when PSU and its opponent both get extra time to prepare in the playoffs.

It isn't like PSU players don't have the potential. They do. Plenty are in the NFL. Consider Levis. This seems to be about skills development and game preparation.

 

[PSU20]

That was maybe the most stunning stat of the year for me. And they won the game, incredible.

I know a lot of players contributed to that masterpiece of a stat, but Coach K deserves the most blame.

Whatever Kotelnicki makes in bonus this year, he should have to pay some of it back for yesterday. His worst game of the year after Ohio State.

Agree. Worst play calling for the year. We had 3rd and 9, and Allar throws a 4 yard out route to Warren which resulted in 4th and 5. Allar is obsessed with Warren and should be for his abilities, but there have been more open WR's during those throws to Warren.

That fade route o Warren in the end zone that went incomplete, the entire middle of the field was wide open. I couldn't even see a LB, and Allar saw this easily from the shotgun.

 

[Big 0]

Agree. Worst play calling for the year. We had 3rd and 9, and Allar throws a 4 yard out route to Warren which resulted in 4th and 5. Allar is obsessed with Warren and should be for his abilities, but there have been more open WR's during those throws to Warren.

That fade route o Warren in the end zone that went incomplete, the entire middle of the field was wide open. I couldn't even see a LB, and Allar saw this easily from the shotgun.

Warren also was interfered with but not called. The DB was all over him and did not have his head turned back to the ball.