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11 Wins in 2018 would equal most wins over 3 Year Span in School History.

Double digit wins is always impressive....do it three years in a row and you're up there with the best teams in college football, especially doing it in the best division.
 
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Just Do It

... then keep going,

increasing the record.​
 
But we also play better competition nowadays for the most part, so it kind of evens out.


Might want to reevaluate that statement... I don't see USC on the non con schedule (twice)

A ranked 9 win Texas Tech team with Zach Thomas at LB

You'll see Temple but thats no different than Pitt, so negligible difference there
 
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Might want to reevaluate that statement... I don't see USC on the non con schedule (twice)

A ranked 9 win Texas Tech team with Zach Thomas at LB

You'll see Temple but thats no different than Pitt, so negligible difference there
Playing in the Big 10 is tougher than being independent when you look at week to week. We might not have the big OOC games but with a tough conference schedule, we don't need them.
 
Might want to reevaluate that statement... I don't see USC on the non con schedule (twice)

A ranked 9 win Texas Tech team with Zach Thomas at LB

You'll see Temple but thats no different than Pitt, so negligible difference there

Agree.
The better competition era-vs-era argument is a tough one to make and rationalize. The B1G is a tough conference, but we have our Rutgreses and Illinoises and the like each season, too. The SEC has a bottom tier, as does every conference. Over the long run, the level of relative competition stays fairly consistent. The limit of 85 scholarships has helped created the tilt toward a more level playing field, as have the rules changes favoring the passing game, but there are always great, good, and bad teams in each conference.

In the late 80s, our buddy Hick Norvath wrote a magically brilliant :rolleyes: column complaining about PSU's schedule, saying that always playing Temple and BC and the other Eastern Independents was a bad idea. This is when we were playing ND, Bama, and other intersectional games each season (Horvath is a genius, dontcha know). He suggested we schedule some of the mid-to-bottom Big Ten teams, like Indiana, Purdue, etc, for the simple reason that since they were in a conference, they had legitimacy. His brilliance somehow overlooked that all conferences at that time had one or two great teams and one or two good teams, and a mess of mediocre-to-bad teams. The 'Big Two / Little Eight' designation was created for a legit reason. The Eastern Indies were no different. In any given year, PSU and at least one other team were dominant, then there were a couple of pretty good teams, and then some real horror shows. Same with the SWC, the Pac 10, etc. of that time. Hick actually wrote that, guessing that others would be as intuitive as he is and not see the obvious similarities between swapping out 80s Temple for 80s Indiana, etc. (Wow! PSU beat Indiana 47-3. Impressive.... they're a Big Ten team, ya know).

Play the schedule that is in front of you, which hopefully is the result of a carefully planned OOC scheduling approach that gives the best chance for maxing out the expectations for the team and program as a whole.
So.... please dump Idaho in '19 and get us a tough, winnable game against a good program to open the season, even at a neutral site. Let's play North Carolina in Charlotte, or play TCU in Atlanta, or some such.
 
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Playing in the Big 10 is tougher than being independent when you look at week to week. We might not have the big OOC games but with a tough conference schedule, we don't need them.

In 94-96 we were independent?
Again reevaluate your statement
 
Agree.
The better competition era-vs-era argument is a tough one to make and rationalize. The B1G is a tough conference, but we have our Rutgreses and Illinoises and the like each season, too. The SEC has a bottom tier, as does every conference. Over the long run, the level of relative competition stays fairly consistent. The limit of 85 scholarships has helped created the tilt toward a more level playing field, as have the rules changes favoring the passing game, but there are always great, good, and bad teams in each conference.

In the late 80s, our buddy Hick Norvath wrote a magically brilliant :rolleyes: column complaining about PSU's schedule, saying that always playing Temple and BC and the other Eastern Independents was a bad idea. This is when we were playing ND, Bama, and other intersectional games each season (Horvath is a genius, dontcha know). He suggested we schedule some of the mid-to-bottom Big Ten teams, like Indiana, Purdue, etc, for the simple reason that since they were in a conference, they had legitimacy. His brilliance somehow overlooked that all conferences at that time had one or two great teams and one or two good teams, and a mess of mediocre-to-bad teams. The 'Big Two / Little Eight' designation was created for a legit reason. The Eastern Indies were no different. In any given year, PSU and at least one other team were dominant, then there were a couple of pretty good teams, and then some real horror shows. Same with the SWC, the Pac 10, etc. of that time. Hick actually wrote that, guessing that others would be as intuitive as he is and not see the obvious similarities between swapping out 80s Temple for 80s Indiana, etc. (Wow! PSU beat Indiana 47-3. Impressive.... they're a Big Ten team, ya know).

Play the schedule that is in front of you, which hopefully is the result of a carefully planned OOC scheduling approach that gives the best chance for maxing out the expectations for the team and program as a whole.
So.... please dump Idaho in '19 and get us a tough, winnable game against a good program to open the season, even at a neutral site. Let's play North Carolina in Charlotte, or play TCU in Atlanta, or some such.

The fact that Penn State fans don't even know the history and now lick the grundle of the big ten is facisinating. I'm 31 and know that the schedule that was played was just as or tougher in certain years than now. The only difference is PSU was thought of as the top dog playing weaker teams the big ten during this era was percieved tougher because the Big Two laid eggs until we joined the conference
 
I was responding to a post listing 71-73 as our highest three year total....were we independent then? Might want to reevaluate your statement.

You responded to a post that mentions comparing Apple's to Apple's and playing less games back then. There is no mention of the date In the post and the 73 team was the first team to go 12-0. They played the same amount of games as the 94 95 teams. The 96 team went 11-2. And that included the KOC. The 90s played less games than now.

The schedule was also tougher or just as tough than anything we would have in the Big Ten.... ill give ya 71 but not 72-73

So either way the two prior segments played less games overall and the competition is not that different let alone worst, outside of 71.
 
AWS wrote: But we also play better competition nowadays for the most part, so it kind of evens out.

AWS wrote: Playing in the Big 10 is tougher than being independent when you look at week to week.


From ’80-’82, PSU went 31-5. They played 15 top 20 teams over the course of those three years. The rankings then didn’t include the watered down set from 21-25 range as the past decade plus has. Some of those unranked teams included 8-4 Bama, 8-3-1 BC, etc.

I’m happy for what has occurred the past two seasons, but some fans are overinflating what has actually been accomplished. I have hope that in the near future some of the younger generation can experience the type of success that the grumpy old men have.
 
I'm lazy or it would probably be pretty easy to find out how many games were played per year dating back to the 60's. I know up until not to long ago, there were only 11 games in a season plus a bowl. And before that I thought there were years where PSU only played 10 season games. And up until the 2000's, getting to a bowl was not a given like now as there were less than half the bowl games there are now, but I don't think that effected PSU much as they were always getting to bowls even when there weren't very many. Also add in a championship game like last.

Suffice it to say, you would be hard pressed to talk to any PSU fan that doesn't think the current situation is set up for sustained excellence and Top 10 finishes since the PSU teams back in the early/mid 90's some 20+ years ago. Starting late 90's and 2000's, Joe was winding down, recruiting suffered, coaching was suspect in certain areas, and PSU tended to go up and down a lot more season to season. With this years recruiting class, I think PSU is set up for a decade long run of Top 10 finishes and would be shocked to not see PSU win a Big Ten Title and get to the playoff within the next 3-4 years.
 
AWS wrote: But we also play better competition nowadays for the most part, so it kind of evens out.

AWS wrote: Playing in the Big 10 is tougher than being independent when you look at week to week.


From ’80-’82, PSU went 31-5. They played 15 top 20 teams over the course of those three years. The rankings then didn’t include the watered down set from 21-25 range as the past decade plus has. Some of those unranked teams included 8-4 Bama, 8-3-1 BC, etc.

I’m happy for what has occurred the past two seasons, but some fans are overinflating what has actually been accomplished. I have hope that in the near future some of the younger generation can experience the type of success that the grumpy old men have.

I have a Mic for you to drop
 
AWS wrote: But we also play better competition nowadays for the most part, so it kind of evens out.

AWS wrote: Playing in the Big 10 is tougher than being independent when you look at week to week.


From ’80-’82, PSU went 31-5. They played 15 top 20 teams over the course of those three years. The rankings then didn’t include the watered down set from 21-25 range as the past decade plus has. Some of those unranked teams included 8-4 Bama, 8-3-1 BC, etc.

I’m happy for what has occurred the past two seasons, but some fans are overinflating what has actually been accomplished. I have hope that in the near future some of the younger generation can experience the type of success that the grumpy old men have.
You did not have the parity then that you do now with the scholarship limitations, TV appearances, bowl game appearances, etc. There was a big gap between the haves and have nots, so most teams outside of the top 10 or so would rarely beat one of the big dogs. Nowadays you have a team like UCF who could give anyone a game. Winning games is harder today than back in the good ole days.
 
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Was the "moron" comment necessary? Yes, you addressed his point in your post and he obviously missed it. It happens. I don't see the need for the invective.
 
One aspect of the comparison of current achievements to those of the late 60s/early 70s is that Penn State was never on the same level when it came to scholarships.

In Joe's early years, Penn State was part of an "East Indies alliance" that (a) limited scholarships to 25 a year and (b) disallowed non-medical redshirting. Meanwhile, the SWC capped scholarships at 50 per year (reference Dave Campbell's Texas Football); I don't know whether there were such limits in the ACC, SEC or Big Ten -- though I doubt that only the SWC would allow such a number. Johnny Majors changed all that limited scholarship stuff in 1973 when he arrived at Pitt.

There might not have been a cap on the total number on a roster at that time, but still, the Eastern schools had potentially 1/2 the players from which to select as the major conference teams had. When you add the ability to redshirt at will, the advantage rises significantly for the major conference teams.

Primarily because of those 2 reasons, I believe Penn State's undefeated, untied seasons in 1968-69-73 were even more impressive than an unbeaten season by a major conference team. Hence, those seasons were worthy of national championship acclaim.
 
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I’d say our schedules in the 80s were just as tough as most of our B1G schedules. We had more control though. Now we get Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin - back to back to back. We could be more strategic in how the schedule played out.
 
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AWS wrote: Winning games is harder today than back in the good ole days.

That would depend on what you are defining as the good ole days, and there is a degree of “harder” which would have to be extrapolated into impacting results of games, which is completely subjective.

For period from the late 60s/early 70s, I’d agree there was more separation and generally easier. Still, the ’69 and ’73 PSU teams each beat more ranked opponents than either this year’s or last year’s team.

By the late 70s/80s, I would not agree in regards to PSU. The competition they played for a period of time was tougher than what they have faced these past two seasons, or any other successful season in the Big 10.
 
The fact that Penn State fans don't even know the history and now lick the grundle of the big ten is facisinating. I'm 31 and know that the schedule that was played was just as or tougher in certain years than now. The only difference is PSU was thought of as the top dog playing weaker teams the big ten during this era was percieved tougher because the Big Two laid eggs until we joined the conference



Big 10's "Little 8" vs Eastern Independent's "Little 7"

1966 - 1992: The Pre-Big 10 Joe Paterno Era





1. Head-to-Head Comparison 1966 - 1992

Big 10's "Little 8" Record Versus

E. Independent's "Little 7"

Big 10 Team Record vs Eastern "Little 7"

Illinois 5 - 4

Indiana 3 - 4

Iowa 1 - 1

Michigan State 5 - 3 - 1

Minnesota 0 - 3

Northwestern 2 - 8

Purdue 0 - 2

Wisconsin 1 - 3 - 1

TOTAL 17 - 28 - 2

37.7%

E. Independent's "Little 7" Record

Versus Big 10's "Little 8"

Eastern Team Record vs Big 10's "Little 8"

Boston College 2 - 0

Maryland 1 - 0

Pittsburgh 8 - 2

Rutgers 4 - 1

Syracuse 9 - 13 - 2

Temple 1 - 0

West Virginia 3 - 1

TOTAL 28 - 17 - 2

62.2%











2. I-A Winning Percentage 1966 - 1992

(National Ranking of 110 I-A Teams)

Rank Team Win-Pct Won Lost Tied

33 West Virginia 59.046% 176 121 7

39 Rutgers 56.574% 161 123 5

45 Pittsburgh 55.082% 164 133 8

46 Syracuse 54.801% 163 134 5

49 Boston College 54.054% 159 135 2

57t Michigan State 52.181% 151 138 9

62 Maryland 50.987% 152 146 6

67 Purdue 48.986% 143 149 4

69 Temple 48.410% 135 144 4

71 Iowa 48.039% 143 155 8

78 Illinois 44.833% 130 161 9

80 Minnesota 44.407% 128 161 6

84 Indiana 41.806% 122 171 6

95 Wisconsin 38.176% 109 179 8

109 Northwestern 22.603% 64 224 4

TOTAL Big 10's "Little 8" 42.526% 990 1338 54

TOTAL Eastern Independent's "Little 7" 54.252% 1110 936 37









3. Bowl Records 1966 - 1992

Big 10's "Little 8" Bowl Record

Big 10 Team Bowl Record 1966-1992

Illinois 1 - 7

Indiana 3 - 4

Iowa 4 - 5 - 1

Michigan State 3 - 3

Minnesota 1 - 2

Northwestern 0 - 0

Purdue 4 - 1

Wisconsin 1 - 2

TOTAL 17 - 24 -1

41.5%

E. Independent's "Little 7" Bowl Record

Eastern Team Bowl Record 1966-1992

Boston College 2 - 3

Maryland 4 - 7 - 1

Pittsburgh 7 - 5

Rutgers 0 - 1

Syracuse 6 - 2 -1

Temple 1 - 0

West Virginia 5 - 5

TOTAL 25 - 23 - 2

52.1%
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Penn_State_Nittany_Lions_football_seasons

Best 3 Year Win Total 1971-1973 33 Wins

2016-2018 11 Wins in 2018 equals 33 Wins

Possible.

Yes, We play more games per year now, but impressive none the less.

Happy New Year!

And when you consider where Franklin had to start from -- not having the player numbers to even practice normally during his first two years -- it makes
the achievement all the more impressive, likely unique in the history of NCAA football.
 
Big 10's "Little 8" vs Eastern Independent's "Little 7"

1966 - 1992: The Pre-Big 10 Joe Paterno Era





1. Head-to-Head Comparison 1966 - 1992

Big 10's "Little 8" Record Versus

E. Independent's "Little 7"

Big 10 Team Record vs Eastern "Little 7"

Illinois 5 - 4

Indiana 3 - 4

Iowa 1 - 1

Michigan State 5 - 3 - 1

Minnesota 0 - 3

Northwestern 2 - 8

Purdue 0 - 2

Wisconsin 1 - 3 - 1

TOTAL 17 - 28 - 2

37.7%

E. Independent's "Little 7" Record

Versus Big 10's "Little 8"

Eastern Team Record vs Big 10's "Little 8"

Boston College 2 - 0

Maryland 1 - 0

Pittsburgh 8 - 2

Rutgers 4 - 1

Syracuse 9 - 13 - 2

Temple 1 - 0

West Virginia 3 - 1

TOTAL 28 - 17 - 2

62.2%











2. I-A Winning Percentage 1966 - 1992

(National Ranking of 110 I-A Teams)

Rank Team Win-Pct Won Lost Tied

33 West Virginia 59.046% 176 121 7

39 Rutgers 56.574% 161 123 5

45 Pittsburgh 55.082% 164 133 8

46 Syracuse 54.801% 163 134 5

49 Boston College 54.054% 159 135 2

57t Michigan State 52.181% 151 138 9

62 Maryland 50.987% 152 146 6

67 Purdue 48.986% 143 149 4

69 Temple 48.410% 135 144 4

71 Iowa 48.039% 143 155 8

78 Illinois 44.833% 130 161 9

80 Minnesota 44.407% 128 161 6

84 Indiana 41.806% 122 171 6

95 Wisconsin 38.176% 109 179 8

109 Northwestern 22.603% 64 224 4

TOTAL Big 10's "Little 8" 42.526% 990 1338 54

TOTAL Eastern Independent's "Little 7" 54.252% 1110 936 37









3. Bowl Records 1966 - 1992

Big 10's "Little 8" Bowl Record

Big 10 Team Bowl Record 1966-1992

Illinois 1 - 7

Indiana 3 - 4

Iowa 4 - 5 - 1

Michigan State 3 - 3

Minnesota 1 - 2

Northwestern 0 - 0

Purdue 4 - 1

Wisconsin 1 - 2

TOTAL 17 - 24 -1

41.5%

E. Independent's "Little 7" Bowl Record

Eastern Team Bowl Record 1966-1992

Boston College 2 - 3

Maryland 4 - 7 - 1

Pittsburgh 7 - 5

Rutgers 0 - 1

Syracuse 6 - 2 -1

Temple 1 - 0

West Virginia 5 - 5

TOTAL 25 - 23 - 2

52.1%

I like all the numbers but I just woke up. Summery?
 
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