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12 states have more opioid prescriptions than people.

It is bad....I saw where basically TN, AL, WV, AR, and MS were the worst.....I think Alabama averages 1.2 Rx per person for controlled substances.....ouch!!! That is for every man, woman, and child.
 
Thanks for posting this. I remember watching this episode, "Chasing Heroin" awhile back but the article is a good summation of the show.

The most concerning thing to me right now is the rise in number of emergency responders (EMT/Police) who are inadvertently being exposed to extremely potent opioids like carfentanyl when assisting those who have overdosed. Even police dogs are getting harmed by these substances, that are 10000 times more powerful than morphine, by absorbing the powder through their paws and/or simply inhaling it when performing a search.
 
How could that happen? Are some people getting multiple prescriptions for painkillers? Or are prescriptions being written for phantom patients?
Doctor shopping is common. You see multiple doctors for the same condition. Get an prescription from your family doctor then go to your orthopedic doctor then another orthopedic doctor.
 
How could that happen? Are some people getting multiple prescriptions for painkillers? Or are more than one drugsrprescriptions being written for phantom patients?
They might have scripts for more than 1 drug or from more than 1 doctor, or both.
 
my money would be on "both"
Suppose we could wave a wand and stop all the prescriptions at once. ERS would be jammed with addicts going thru withdrawal. Blatant daylight stickups/ shootings would shoot thru the roof. Heroin ODs would skyrocket because when your best friend is Mr. Jones, you don't give a flying F#ck bout nothing but your friend.
 
Suppose we could wave a wand and stop all the prescriptions at once. ERS would be jammed with addicts going thru withdrawal. Blatant daylight stickups would shoot thru the roof. Heroin ODs would skyrocket because when your best friend is Mr. Jones, you don't give a flying F#ck bout nothing but your friend.
no doubt, it's going to be a real shitstorm to get this under control
 
I live near RT 91 just south of the border between VT and MA. You would be shocked at the number of drug deliveries that are intercepted weekly by the state and local police- going to Vermont, which is really a pretty idyllic place to live. It's gotten so bad that I now see state police watching back roads where they never used to be.
 
How could that happen? Are some people getting multiple prescriptions for painkillers? Or are prescriptions being written for phantom patients?

How long is a prescription? A month?

I believe the only two times I was prescribed an opioid it was for some short period of time such as 2 weeks (Wisdom teeth) and one month (Broken wrists)

Without that information the stat is misleading.

I very quickly reviewed the source material and that did not seem to have this information either.

So yes... while the number is high, and it is good for a sense of the growth of the epidemic, the numbers are not clear.

LdN
 
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It would cost a hell of a lot of money that just isn't available.
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Not doing it will cost even more. It's the kind of intractable problem that gives you nightmares.

It's easy to say, well those people are different from me and my kids. It's not true. I've met some shattered parents.
 
more than it's costing now? either way, the costs are high
Of course you're right, but that argument doesn't work nowadays. "Spend money to save money" is a 20th-Century concept. Think of how much value we got out of the money we spent on Eisenhower's Interstate Highway initiative. Something like that happening now seems to me to be an impossibility.
 
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Not doing it will cost even more. It's the kind of intractable problem that gives you nightmares.

It's easy to say, well those people are different from me and my kids. It's not true. I've met some shattered parents.
Yes, you're right. The money is going to have to come from the local level, though. Where that leaves places like Oklahoma will be a bona fide horror show.
 
How long is a prescription? A month?

I believe the only two times I was prescribed an opioid it was for some short period of time such as 2 weeks (Wisdom teeth) and one month (Broken wrists)

Without that information the stat is misleading.

I very quickly reviewed the source material and that did not seem to have this information either.

So yes... while the number is high, and it is good for a sense of the growth of the epidemic, the numbers are not clear.

LdN
Sure, the research is not perfect, but absent evidence that a LOT more people are getting scripts after surgery, or for tooth removal, the trend is very troubling. Waiting to do something until the #s are perfect is gonna cost a lot of $$.

Is it likely that WV or AL has way more one week scripts than Hawaii? Seems unlikely to me.
 
Yes, you're right. The money is going to have to come from the local level, though. Where that leaves places like Oklahoma will be a bona fide horror show.
That means zero will be done in WV.
 
Sure, the research is not perfect, but absent evidence that a LOT more people are getting scripts after surgery, or for tooth removal, the trend is very troubling. Waiting to do something until the #s are perfect is gonna cost a lot of $$.

Is it likely that WV or AL has way more one week scripts than Hawaii? Seems unlikely to me.

I was answering a question about the specifics of having > One prescription per person.

I believe this is a problem. I've had issues with employees although not so much with friends/acquaintances.

People called Tom Cruise a quack when he went off on Brooke Shields for recommending medications. And yes, he's a quack... but his point was unfortunately minimized.

There are WAY too many people being prescribed medications with little to no knowledge or care of the affects.

This epidemic is just one of many. I know it is your current focus, but there are so many people on meds for various "issues" it will have long lasting effects.

LdN
 
A quick look back at how China dealt with their opium addiction crisis in the mid 1900's - "Under the Communist Party, opium fields were razed. As with previous governments, addicts had to subscribe to a detoxification schedule, or else suffer punishment. More than 800 traffickers were put to death, and many more were successfully prosecuted.

A nationwide campaign spread an anti-drug message, and systems of neighborhood surveillance were implemented to report local drug users." This then led to things like forced "re-education" through labor programs.
 
A quick look back at how China dealt with their opium addiction crisis in the mid 1900's - "Under the Communist Party, opium fields were razed. As with previous governments, addicts had to subscribe to a detoxification schedule, or else suffer punishment. More than 800 traffickers were put to death, and many more were successfully prosecuted.

A nationwide campaign spread an anti-drug message, and systems of neighborhood surveillance were implemented to report local drug users." This then led to things like forced "re-education" through labor programs.
That's pretty drastic, but probably the only kind of thing that actually works
 
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Jobs. Good jobs, with a future, so that people want to work and have a better life for themselves and their kids instead of falling down the drug hole. An investment for fixing and maintaining our infrastructure (roads, bridges, rail, airports) means good blue-collar jobs that benefit everyone. And we keep the money here. If I am full of beans, tell me why.
 
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Jobs. Good jobs, with a future, so that people want to work and have a better life for themselves and their kids instead of falling down the drug hole. An investment for fixing and maintaining our infrastructure (roads, bridges, rail, airports) means good blue-collar jobs that benefit everyone. And we keep the money here. If I am full of beans, tell me why.
You're not wrong. But with this Congress? Not a chance in hell.
 
Jobs. Good jobs, with a future, so that people want to work and have a better life for themselves and their kids instead of falling down the drug hole. An investment for fixing and maintaining our infrastructure (roads, bridges, rail, airports) means good blue-collar jobs that benefit everyone. And we keep the money here. If I am full of beans, tell me why.

Noone disagrees with you that "good" jobs help stop this problem. The disagreement is all regarding who will pay for it and who will create the jobs. Whether or not jobs created by government benefit or hurt the economy in the long run and vice versa.

LdN
 
I was answering a question about the specifics of having > One prescription per person.

I believe this is a problem. I've had issues with employees although not so much with friends/acquaintances.

People called Tom Cruise a quack when he went off on Brooke Shields for recommending medications. And yes, he's a quack... but his point was unfortunately minimized.

There are WAY too many people being prescribed medications with little to no knowledge or care of the affects.

This epidemic is just one of many. I know it is your current focus, but there are so many people on meds for various "issues" it will have long lasting effects.

LdN
It is a much bigger problem than just opioids, sure. But WE ALREADY KNOW THE EFFECTS of these drugs. They make you an addict, and in far too many cases they kill you.
 
I wish I'd found this piece before. It directly addresses a number of the questions from the thread the other day.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-bad-is-the-opioid-epidemic/

I don't understand why there isn't a database to track prescriptions for patients. I know lots of older people who take drug cocktails and have been for years because the doctor told them so. Modern medicine is a mess. Compound that by so many people that think everything is fixed with a pill. Behavioral psychologists are shocked at parents who drop off their kids and say 'fix him'. If you DON"T give the kid a pill, they drop you and go to the next person who will.
 
It is a much bigger problem than just opioids, sure. But WE ALREADY KNOW THE EFFECTS of these drugs. They make you an addict, and in far too many cases they kill you.

OK so Tom Cruise was right. I agree. People like Brooke Shields should not be going around recommending other women take uppers because they made her happy.

To those of us with eyes, this problem has been around for years and is simply getting worse.

As drugs become more accepted in society so do "meds". IMO the problem will only get worse until there is a substantial change in people's views of drugs.

LdN
 
OK so Tom Cruise was right. I agree. People like Brooke Shields should not be going around recommending other women take uppers because they made her happy.

To those of us with eyes, this problem has been around for years and is simply getting worse.

As drugs become more accepted in society so do "meds". IMO the problem will only get worse until there is a substantial change in people's views of drugs.

LdN

Just a little pin prick, they'll be no more 'aaahhhhhh' but you may feel a little sick.

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OK so Tom Cruise was right. I agree. People like Brooke Shields should not be going around recommending other women take uppers because they made her happy.

To those of us with eyes, this problem has been around for years and is simply getting worse.

As drugs become more accepted in society so do "meds". IMO the problem will only get worse until there is a substantial change in people's views of drugs.

LdN
???Um, no. Tom Cruise is a Scientologist loon. Psychiatric drugs are a completely different topic.

This is a very specific problem, and I would not take Tom Cruise's solutions any more than I would Brooke Shields's
 
I don't understand why there isn't a database to track prescriptions for patients. I know lots of older people who take drug cocktails and have been for years because the doctor told them so. Modern medicine is a mess. Compound that by so many people that think everything is fixed with a pill. Behavioral psychologists are shocked at parents who drop off their kids and say 'fix him'. If you DON"T give the kid a pill, they drop you and go to the next person who will.
There is, now. It was a long time coming, but it is part of Obamacare, and it may get gutted. If a guy breaks his femur in a car wreck, his docs ought to know BEFORE they load him on morphine.
 
???Um, no. Tom Cruise is a Scientologist loon. Psychiatric drugs are a completely different topic.

This is a very specific problem, and I would not take Tom Cruise's solutions any more than I would Brooke Shields's


"Psychiatric drugs are a completely different topic."

And there's your swing and miss.
 
There is a source to this problem: DOCTORS ! So here is a hearsay scenario A friend was telling me of an antibiotic problem on a very large reservation in the southwest. Problem was folks would drive many many miles sometimes to see a doctor . They didn't want to go away 'empty handed' so the docs would write scripts for antibiotics. There are superbugs there that have evolved according to him (20 years in the trench nurse there). SO .........aren't doctors a big part of this problem?
 
There is a source to this problem: DOCTORS ! So here is a hearsay scenario A friend was telling me of an antibiotic problem on a very large reservation in the southwest. Problem was folks would drive many many miles sometimes to see a doctor . They didn't want to go away 'empty handed' so the docs would write scripts for antibiotics. There are superbugs there that have evolved according to him (20 years in the trench nurse there). SO .........aren't doctors a big part of this problem?

YES! Second problem in the SW is that they will drive to Mexico to get the drugs, many of them, over the counter.

As Ann Landers used to say, "half of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class!"
 
I appreciate that you think this is a joke.
I don't appreciate why you can't understand that the number of people on anti depressants and the number of people hooked on opioids are related.

https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/11/percentage-of-americans-on-antidepressants-nearly-doubles/

LdN
The number of people on Metformin has gone way up, too, but diabetes and drug addiction are not much related. You seem to think we cannot solve the opioid epidemic without solving every problem in the entire history of medications. It is a common tactic of those who wish to see nothing done because it might cost someone some money: Universalize the problem.
 
I don't understand why there isn't a database to track prescriptions for patients. I know lots of older people who take drug cocktails and have been for years because the doctor told them so. Modern medicine is a mess. Compound that by so many people that think everything is fixed with a pill. Behavioral psychologists are shocked at parents who drop off their kids and say 'fix him'. If you DON"T give the kid a pill, they drop you and go to the next person who will.
there is, the MD just has to use it. My friend, an ER MD, gets this all the time. People driving 200 miles from home and needing pain meds. He is a cynical type of guy anyway, so he asks 'you just drove by 5 other ER's why did you stop here? And BTW, you got a script for xyz at the ER 20 miles away just yesterday. Sorry I cant help' Normally they reply, well someone stole my identity, to which he tells them, well you better get that straightened out, but its in the data base, I cant help you.
 
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