who do you think wins it?
don't know how to fix it for write ins so respond back for others.
edit: 19/20 hodge. lol
don't know how to fix it for write ins so respond back for others.
edit: 19/20 hodge. lol
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2020 hodge winner>>>>
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None of the above.
Vincenzo Joseph, Penn State (165-197)
Vincenzo Joseph, Penn State (165-197)
I’m old enough to remember back in the day, Cenzo had a decent chance of being a 4-timer.
Glad this poll already dragged him behind the barn & put him out of his misery.
Glad this poll already dragged him behind the barn & put him out of his misery.
nah, you did that and sound silly silly silly .I’m old enough to remember back in the day, Cenzo had a decent chance of being a 4-timer.
Glad this poll already dragged him behind the barn & put him out of his misery.
Damn a poll for a hodge winner without a penn state wrestler....JeSuS pEnN StATE iS bAcK tO SuCkiNG..
A hodge prediction/poll is still too early to even call right now. You have included Seth who hasn’t officially even got his 6th year lol. You don’t have Bull, Wick, Seabass, Mekhi, Micic, shit even DeSanto if he could control his emotions. Then you got RS like Carr, Sasso, Teemer.
We would have a better conversation of who will finish top 5 at nationals next year then this (which is again speculation of who wrestles)
A hodge prediction/poll is still too early to even call right now. You have included Seth who hasn’t officially even got his 6th year lol. You don’t have Bull, Wick, Seabass, Mekhi, Micic, shit even DeSanto if he could control his emotions. Then you got RS like Carr, Sasso, Teemer.
We would have a better conversation of who will finish top 5 at nationals next year then this (which is again speculation of who wrestles)
With dominance and pins such a big piece of the criterea I find the results of this poll a bit surprising. Yes, it’s insanely early, but I’d think Gross (if 100%) and Zahid would be early frontrunners. Yianni is probably my favorite in the list, but he doesn’t steamroll guys like zmoney and Seth do. Spencer is capable of that, but has yet to go undefeated. Of course there are others that could be in the running too. Seth will have his work cut out for him in the B1G, but he came in 3rd for votes in 2018, didn’t he? Fix is a long shot with no prior championships.
Run the poll again in December when we know how many of them take Olympic redshirts.
Shocks the world Aaron Brooks has red shirt pulled and goes 43-0 with 30 plus pins at 184.
The most shocking thing about this is a PSU wrestler getting 43 matches in a season. Undefeated with 30 pins and wrestling at 184 is more believable.
If redshirt is pulled right after he dominates his way to a Southern Scuffle title and assuming he wrestles 3 or 4 early season tournaments 43 would be a stretch, but possible. Hall's freshman year, he wrestled 7 more matches than did Nolf or Nickal.
Out of this grouping whoever runs the table and is most dominant. If a 133 pounder runs the table in dominating fashion they would be definite favorites.
However, not including Joseph and Cassar as possibilities leaves your list of possible winners lacking.
Maybe.
Let's say Gross goes 141, and Micic and Fox both take Olympic shirts -- all of which are plausible. Then the weight boils down to Cruiseliner Nick, Pletcher, DeSanto, RBY, Wilson.
Still a good weight, but I'd have a hard time putting that champ ahead of potential 3x champs Cenzo, Zahid, Lee, or Yianni -- 2 or 3 of whom would likely have to beat a returning NCAA champ.
I'm extremely unsure on Micic's ability to take an Olympic redshirt since:
1. He already took an Olympic redshirt and
2. He no longer wrestles for the USA.
The rule on Olympic shirts does not limit a wrestler to one, nor does it specify he must compete for Team USA.
He could always circumvent the 2nd concern by announcing he's trying out for both countries.
You can't try out for both countries, there are transfer rules. And I'm almost positive you can't take an Olympic redshirt competing for another country since all of the criteria only apply to USA wrestling (like you can't make another national team and say you met criteria #1). I don't believe Dhesi was eligible in 2016 for the Olympic, even though he won a junior medal for Canada.
It wouldn't make much sense to let people try to make other countries' world teams. The whole point of the Olympic redshirt is so elite college talent can attempt to make the US team.
From the NCAA:
12.8.3.2 - Delayed Enrollment - Seasons of Competition
12.8.3.2.1 - Sports other than Men's Ice Hockey, Skiing and Tennis
(a) & (b) [Generally, the student-athlete is charged with a season of eligibility for each year matriculated, excepting a redshirt year]
12.8.3.2.1.1 - Exception - National/International Competition
[...]
(b) Officially recognized competition from which participants may directly qualify for final tryouts for a national team that will participate in the Olympic Games, Pan American Games, World Championships, World Cup or World University Games (Universiade), World University Championships or the junior level equivalents (e.g., Youth Olympic Games, U20 World Cup, junior national teams) and final tryout competition from which participants are selected for such teams; or
(c) Official competition involving a national team sponsored by the appropriate national governing body of the U.S. Olympic Committee (or, for student-athletes representing another nation, the equivalent organization of that nation).
First part of that:
For a maximum of one year after a prospective student-athlete’s frst opportunity to enroll full time in a collegiate institution following the one-year time period after his or her high school graduation date or the graduation date of his or her class, whichever occurs earlier, participation in the following organized national/international competition is exempt from application of Bylaw 12.8.3.2.1
I think that means you can only do it once. Its the (a) part of that rule.
it's ok little skooter. you should take a cbd oil bubble bath. will make you less angry
General observation about the NCAA rules from a guy whose day job is to read and understand dense language: the NCAA rules are horribly drafted and impenetrable, almost as if they were drafted for the purpose of being misunderstood.
Then I'm lost. I'll just say it doesn't seem like it SHOULD be allowed. On both the two Olympic redshirts and competing for another country while Olympic redshirting.
bonus percentage last year from wrestlestat..love that place. better knowledge over there than school. one thing to keep in mind is the bonus matches vs top 25-40 or so opponents:
cassar: 70.97 %
joseph: 68.97 %
shakur: 73.91 %
yanni: 58.62 %
lee: 73.08 %
fix: 48.65 %
suriano: 62.50 %
gross: 80.00 % (2018)
marinelli: 51.72 %
zahid: 78.79 %
steveson: 55.26 %
e wick: 55.26 %
cassar: 70.97 %
joseph: 68.97 %
shakur: 73.91 %
yanni: 58.62 %
lee: 73.08 %
fix: 48.65 %
suriano: 62.50 %
gross: 80.00 % (2018)
marinelli: 51.72 %
zahid: 78.79 %
steveson: 55.26 %
e wick: 55.26 %
Plus Cassar would meet the Ryan criteria for Hodge voting-some guys weighed more than him.
Curious as to why it doesn't seem like it should be allowed to compete for another country while Olympic redshirting. This is not wrestling specific and there are a lot of kids from other countries competing in the NCAA. It makes sense from the perspective of the schools & the NCAA.
Because NCAA wrestling is in the USA and these are USA Wrestling's rules. I don't think USA Wrestling is concerned with making other countries' Olympic teams better, nor do they care about the wrestlers that wrestle for those countries.
To be clear I'm just talking about wrestling. I don't know the rules for other sports and don't think they should apply to wrestling.
These are NOT USA Wrestling rules, they are NCAA rules and they apply to NCAA wrestlers, some of whom are not USA citizens, and that has been true as long as I can remember.
Or for the purpose of making work for people whose job it is to read and understand dense language.
Not sure why the NCAA should draft a rule that applies to only student-athletes who are USA students. The NCAA is a private entity and the NCAA student-athlete population is somewhat diverse.
Not only false (NCAA rule) -- also short-sighted. Allowing this is good for Team USA.
Micic is training in Ann Arbor, not Belgrade. He'll make the Michigan and CKWC rosters better. And when he travels to train with other clubs, they'll be primarily domestic -- meaning he'll help improve other USA wrestlers.
Same for all the other Americans who compete elsewhere: Habat, Abounader, etc. NLWC has two: Franklin Gomez and Jaime Espinal. Granted, those guys have graduated -- but Micic will not be the last American undergrad to compete overseas.
Also, it counter-balances all the Russians exports to other countries. Funny how there are no last names that end in "v" in all of Spain, France, and Italy -- except for guys who competed at the Russian team trials before "moving."
The NCAA language is 100% "inclusive" when it pertains to international competition, meaning the rules are identical for USA student-athlete's and student-athlete's from other countries. Related to Olympic Games, included in the NCAA language is the following, but not limited to;
-- Educational Expenses paid
-- Operation Gold Grant equivalent payouts from other countries
-- Expenses/benefits related to Olympic Games
-- Training expenses
-- Expenses for Olympic exhibitions
-- Player trading cards
Also, there's no one-year Olympic Games limit.
-- Educational Expenses paid
-- Operation Gold Grant equivalent payouts from other countries
-- Expenses/benefits related to Olympic Games
-- Training expenses
-- Expenses for Olympic exhibitions
-- Player trading cards
Also, there's no one-year Olympic Games limit.
I was talking about the specific criteria for allowing wrestlers to take Olympic redshirts. That is set by USA wrestling I believe (and can be changed, like it was from 2016 to 2020).
Clubs are not the operating body for wrestling in the USA, USA Wrestling is. It is to CKWC's benefit to have world level guys in their room. Micic wins a Euro bronze, that's great for the club. It does nothing for USA Wrestling. Therefore, USA wrestling should not be helping foreign athletes in any way.
Again, I am only talking about wrestling, USA wrestling, and the guidelines they set for making world teams/Olympic redshirts. I don't care what USA Swimming or USA Track or whoever does in this case, only wrestling. The NCAA allows athletes to take an Olympic redshirt. USA Wrestling determines who can do so.
If you re-read USA Wrestling's criteria list, only 1 of the 4 criteria specifies USA (placement at US Senior Open).
The fact that some criteria specify USA and others don't, is a loophole big enough to drive a double rig truck thru sideways.
Even if you don't agree with that, the NCAA is not going to have one set of rules for Americans who wrestle for Team USA, and another set of rules for everyone else.
BTW, Micic still qualifies for an Olympic shirt even under your strict interpretation. He satisfies Criterion #4 as a 2015 Junior Worlds bronze medalist for Team USA.
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