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First, I am not giving other people's money away. I consider myself in that group of fortunate's as well. When the day of reckoning happens I am going to get caught along with everyone else in the upper class. Am I happy about it? No, but I also feel empathy for those who have less than me and who are not as lucky as I have been. Are we a better country when multitudes live on the streets and shut out of opportunity?

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-college-impacts-earning-potential-2014-10

The most effective way up the economic ladder to achieve the "American Dream" is with a 4 year college degree or higher.

I'm as big of a believer in higher education as the next guy, but would you agree that the more people that have a 4 year degree, the less valuable (from a commodity perspective) it becomes?

Perhaps this is a bad example (this is not my field), but 30 years ago, a common path to being a hotel manager did not include going to college. A HRIM degree might get you to that goal quicker over the years, but if employers are looking for that degree, you now have to go to school for 4 years to do a job that you didn't used to need a degree for.
 
I'm as big of a believer in higher education as the next guy, but would you agree that the more people that have a 4 year degree, the less valuable (from a commodity perspective) it becomes?

Perhaps this is a bad example (this is not my field), but 30 years ago, a common path to being a hotel manager did not include going to college. A HRIM degree might get you to that goal quicker over the years, but if employers are looking for that degree, you now have to go to school for 4 years to do a job that you didn't used to need a degree for.

Education, or access to it, isn't exclusively done for financial benefit. The Economic Social and Research Council published a study in 2014 about the net positive effects of education on a person and society - some of the highlights:

  • Higher levels of education are associated with a wide range of positive outcomes - including better health and wellbeing, higher social trust, greater political interest, lower political cynicism, and less hostile attitudes towards immigrants.
  • Level of education is the strongest predictor of outcomes (compared to age, gender, income, employment status, and marital status) in all models, except for the outcomes of wellbeing and health.
  • This ‘education effect’ is both robust and relatively stable over time, with little variation in the surveyed population across a range of 25 years. The effect is particularly marked for the outcome of social trust, becoming stronger within the same people as they age.
  • Across all education levels - low or high - people who report that they are satisfied with their education level and have incorporated education as part of their identity are benefitting psychologically.
 
Well, I guess they're busted then. It's all just a conspiracy to raise taxes. Seriously?

FWIW, hunger and homelessness are a growing problem all over this country as the wage gap expands. It's not limited to teenagers in college.

I am and many here are fortunate to be on the right side of the wage gap but that doesn't mean its not real.

The day of reckoning is coming. God help us when it does.


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Except the hungry people in this country are obese. If you are 100lbs overweight is lack of food a problem?
 
First, no need to get snippy. Of course we'd all like everyone to be happy and safe. But with limited resources, you've got to call your shots. I'd also remind you that high school education is free, yet many drop out. In CLE, the city schools have a 36% drop out rate.

At the end of the day, college is a filter that shows who finds a way and who doesn't. Unfortunately, in life, everyone's starting position is different. Some are not born with the ability to memorize as well as others, so they have to find another way. Some don't have money, two parents, time, two eyes, two ears, two legs or whatever.

Factor in that Universities are ripping kids off by spending money like drunk sailors, cronieism, and so many other factors that it becomes a complex issue and one not easily solvable. And, don't forget, more money is given away today for education, than ever before. I also have to say the writer was big disengenous with some of the super hype, which raises red flags. i seriously doubt that 36% lack a "safe place to live" (I'd like to see how that stat was realized).

Bottom line, where does the money come from? What programs are defunded to fund this? We'd all like to increase funding and give more participation trophy's, but that will come with other consequences.

Just my opinion....but don't be snarky. Just because you want to give other people's money away, doesn't necessarily make you smart of nice.

FWIW, the writer didn't conduct the study (unless you mean the 'writer of the study' was being disingenuous). I also disagree with your premise about college, but that's fine.
 
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Read Obli's post on page 3. The Universities are getting fat at the expense of students. Since 1980 tuition has gone up 260% compared to standard of living 120%. What are the "organic" costs of a University. [salaries, and buildings] IF [and i seriously question this study] kids are going hungry and homeless while in college the Universities IMO deserve most of the blame.
-1. GOP orthodoxy, here.
 
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Holy sh*t. Why isn’t the BWI braintrust running the country? We’ve fixed the hunger issue in one thread. What’s next? Crime? Guns for all. Next? Education? Get rich or good at sports; otherwise, your fault for being lazy - dig a ditch. Next? Immigration? Go back from where you came from.

We could all have Nobel Prizes by lunch.

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First, I am not giving other people's money away. I consider myself in that group of fortunate's as well. When the day of reckoning happens I am going to get caught along with everyone else in the upper class. Am I happy about it? No, but I also feel empathy for those who have less than me and who are not as lucky as I have been. Are we a better country when multitudes live on the streets and shut out of opportunity?

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-college-impacts-earning-potential-2014-10

The most effective way up the economic ladder to achieve the "American Dream" is with a 4 year college degree or higher.
Totally agree. But giving money away has not worked for high schools as drop out rates are incredibly high (almost the same as the articles starts for those under fed). and college degrees for many majors mean little in the job market. In the end, you make college what it is. In today's economy, outside of tuition, food is available. Nutrition may be a different story but one can get by, at that age, with ramen and a hard boiled egg
 
-1. GOP orthodoxy, here.

Orthodoxy you say? I wonder what I said that isn't fact but orthodoxy.
Tuitions since 1980 have gone up 260% vs COLA at 120%. - No that's not it, since i looked it up before i posted.
Universities core costs are, Salaries and Buildings. Could be that but I can't think what else it could be. How is that orthodoxy?
Suggesting 36% of college kids are food or housing insecure, [unless insecure is some meaningless term] is a somewhat flawed study.

I did not realize that it was GOP orthodoxy to suggest Universities charge too much, do little with huge endowments to make life better for students, ore that teenage kids away for the first time might just not spend money wisely.
 
Orthodoxy you say? I wonder what I said that isn't fact but orthodoxy.
Tuitions since 1980 have gone up 260% vs COLA at 120%. - No that's not it, since i looked it up before i posted.
Universities core costs are, Salaries and Buildings. Could be that but I can't think what else it could be. How is that orthodoxy?
Suggesting 36% of college kids are food or housing insecure, [unless insecure is some meaningless term] is a somewhat flawed study.

I did not realize that it was GOP orthodoxy to suggest Universities charge too much, do little with huge endowments to make life better for students, ore that teenage kids away for the first time might just not spend money wisely.

Think it was this part....Read Obli's post on page 3. Which says in part:

This is just a scam to get people to be in favor of higher taxation targeted toward college educations so that BOT's can be even more outrageous in making sure their cronies capitalize on inflated construction prices.

The 'scam' I think here is that students are going hungry or homeless, and that higher taxes to support schools (or poor individuals) are the desired result of the study; certainly not something any conservative would support.
 
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