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25 best beers of 2016

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I'm not big on straying from my normal go to brews but some of these sound intriguing. Anyone tried them?

25. Mikkeller Santa’s Little Helper (10.9% ABV): A Belgian Strong Dark Ale, mildly spiced for the season, that goes down way too easy.

24. Weyerbacher Sunday Morning Stout(11.3%): Ahhh, sit back, relax and continually sip beer’s version of bourbon-barrel aged coffee.

23. Ommegang Shadow Brewer Imperial Stout (9.7%): Coffee, chocolate, roasted, bitter, intense. Or, in a word, masterful.

22. Forgotten Boardwalk The Captain’s Quarters Smoked Porter (5.7%): What, that’s not enough for you? OK, it’s aged in bourbon barrels.

21. Hoppin’ Frog Killer Vanilla Extraordinary IPA (7.5%): A vanilla IPA? They went there and pulled it off. One of the more unique tastes of the year.

20. Conshohocken Blood Money Blood Orange IPA (6.7%): Blood orange in a beer has rarely tasted so good. Strong flavor.

19. Stable 12 Wild West IPA (7.8%): The Phoenixville brewery outdid itself with this West Coast IPA. Tasty and bitter and all that is good about an IPA. Shout out to Conshohocken Brewing's Type A, another top-notch West Coast IPA.

18. Levante Sausage Lemonade (4.7%): For the love of God, what is this? The West Chester brewery has whipped up a Smoked Wheat brew that is all smoke up front (think inhaling an ash pit) and tart thereafter. It takes a sip or two to appreciate the complexity. And the folks at Levante won’t let you order a full one without tasting it first.

17. Flying Fish Exit 7 Pork Roll Porter(7.5%): Yep, pork roll. The Exit series resumed in earnest this year, and this is the best of '16’s bunch. Seemed to me that the more it warmed, the flavor of pork roll was present.

16. Singlecut Beersmiths Billy 18-Watt IPA (5%): The taste and the low ABV that Session IPAs should be all about. Side note: Any IPA by Singlecut could be substituted here. They’re that good.

15. Dogfish Head Beer for Breakfast Stout (7.4%): No time to eat breakfast? This stout is for you. Chances are something you eat for your first meal was used to brew this, including an acceptable use for scrapple.

14. Manayunk Brewing Co.'s Drain Pour(6.6%): This Brett Saison has a really sharp, distinct taste. But the definition of drain pour on the label is classic and puts this over the top.

13. Neshaminy Creek The Shape of Hops To Come (9.5%): Apollo, Simcoe, Citra, Newport, and Topaz hops combine for tour de force of tasty bitterness in this double IPA.

12. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Mop Water(7%): A spiced beer that looks like mop water, but tastes a lot better (no, I haven’t tasted mop water, just a guess on my part). This can really put you in the holiday spirit.

11. 10 Barrel Joe IPA (6.9%): Crisp taste, grassy smell, unfiltered. Great IPA.

10. Tired Hands Science Experiment No. 1 (6.1%): Tired Hands has been known to do some weird stuff so this “weird” IPA is brewed with oats, hopped, and has tastes of grapefruit and maybe a bit of rosemary. Different, but that’s what you expect from the Ardmore brewery.

9. Deschutes/Hair of the Dog Collab #2(14.3%): Deschutes’ Abyss and The Stoic are combined with Hair’s Fred and Doggie Claws to form a deep, dark, intense brew that gets your attention immediately. Kinda like that first punch in the face.

8. Avery Tweak (16%): Yeah, baby. Smell this, then sip – and I mean sip – this fantastic offering from a brewery that knows how to make high-alcohol, intense beers. This is not for the faint of heart.

7. Sly Fox 21st Anniversary Black IPA(6.7%): Pretty sure this is the Fox’s first Black IPA and it captures everything that’s good about the style. A critical malt backbone is eased by dry-hopping with four hops. Not bitter, but rather tropical/citrusy hops taste makes this a beer worthy of a celebration.

6. Levante Cloudy & Cumbersome(5.6%): A recent sampling of many of the West Chester brewery’s offerings found this to be the runaway best of a really fine batch of brews. The unfiltered appearance draws you in, but the hops flavors powered by Mosaic leave a pleasing taste on the palate.

5. Tuned Up Double IPA (9.5%): This Spring City brewery opened this year quietly, but the response to it has been exceptional. The untitled brew was its first DIPA, and it will be hard to top. A complex, dense IPA that will floor you in many ways, including the little bits of hops in the brew.

4. NoDa Brewing’s Hop Drop 'n’ Roll IPA(7.2%): I’m going with what the bartender who recommended this at the Charlotte airport said: “It’s the Heady Topper of the South and a man’s IPA.” A little strong on both points, but this was an incredible find. Almost makes you wish for a flight delay.

3. Troeg’s Nimble Giant (9%): The Hershey brewery’s best IPA to date (no, Nugget Nectar is not an IPA), this double explodes with fruity goodness. Exceptional beer.

2. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Coastal Evacuation (8%): An unfiltered double IPA that brings the best out of Centennial hops. The taste is so pure and delicious you have to force yourself to stop drinking it.

1. Lagunitas Born Yesterday Fresh Hop Pale Ale (7%): From the first sip of this unfiltered extremely fresh-tasting beer, I was blown away. Nothing was better this year. NOTHING. A runaway at No. 1.
 
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Per Philly.com

I'm not big on straying from my normal go to brews but some of these sound intriguing. Anyone tried them?

25. Mikkeller Santa’s Little Helper (10.9% ABV): A Belgian Strong Dark Ale, mildly spiced for the season, that goes down way too easy.

24. Weyerbacher Sunday Morning Stout(11.3%): Ahhh, sit back, relax and continually sip beer’s version of bourbon-barrel aged coffee.

23. Ommegang Shadow Brewer Imperial Stout (9.7%): Coffee, chocolate, roasted, bitter, intense. Or, in a word, masterful.

22. Forgotten Boardwalk The Captain’s Quarters Smoked Porter (5.7%): What, that’s not enough for you? OK, it’s aged in bourbon barrels.

21. Hoppin’ Frog Killer Vanilla Extraordinary IPA (7.5%): A vanilla IPA? They went there and pulled it off. One of the more unique tastes of the year.

20. Conshohocken Blood Money Blood Orange IPA (6.7%): Blood orange in a beer has rarely tasted so good. Strong flavor.

19. Stable 12 Wild West IPA (7.8%): The Phoenixville brewery outdid itself with this West Coast IPA. Tasty and bitter and all that is good about an IPA. Shout out to Conshohocken Brewing's Type A, another top-notch West Coast IPA.

18. Levante Sausage Lemonade (4.7%): For the love of God, what is this? The West Chester brewery has whipped up a Smoked Wheat brew that is all smoke up front (think inhaling an ash pit) and tart thereafter. It takes a sip or two to appreciate the complexity. And the folks at Levante won’t let you order a full one without tasting it first.

17. Flying Fish Exit 7 Pork Roll Porter(7.5%): Yep, pork roll. The Exit series resumed in earnest this year, and this is the best of '16’s bunch. Seemed to me that the more it warmed, the flavor of pork roll was present.

16. Singlecut Beersmiths Billy 18-Watt IPA (5%): The taste and the low ABV that Session IPAs should be all about. Side note: Any IPA by Singlecut could be substituted here. They’re that good.

15. Dogfish Head Beer for Breakfast Stout (7.4%): No time to eat breakfast? This stout is for you. Chances are something you eat for your first meal was used to brew this, including an acceptable use for scrapple.

14. Manayunk Brewing Co.'s Drain Pour(6.6%): This Brett Saison has a really sharp, distinct taste. But the definition of drain pour on the label is classic and puts this over the top.

13. Neshaminy Creek The Shape of Hops To Come (9.5%): Apollo, Simcoe, Citra, Newport, and Topaz hops combine for tour de force of tasty bitterness in this double IPA.

12. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Mop Water(7%): A spiced beer that looks like mop water, but tastes a lot better (no, I haven’t tasted mop water, just a guess on my part). This can really put you in the holiday spirit.

11. 10 Barrel Joe IPA (6.9%): Crisp taste, grassy smell, unfiltered. Great IPA.

10. Tired Hands Science Experiment No. 1 (6.1%): Tired Hands has been known to do some weird stuff so this “weird” IPA is brewed with oats, hopped, and has tastes of grapefruit and maybe a bit of rosemary. Different, but that’s what you expect from the Ardmore brewery.

9. Deschutes/Hair of the Dog Collab #2(14.3%): Deschutes’ Abyss and The Stoic are combined with Hair’s Fred and Doggie Claws to form a deep, dark, intense brew that gets your attention immediately. Kinda like that first punch in the face.

8. Avery Tweak (16%): Yeah, baby. Smell this, then sip – and I mean sip – this fantastic offering from a brewery that knows how to make high-alcohol, intense beers. This is not for the faint of heart.

7. Sly Fox 21st Anniversary Black IPA(6.7%): Pretty sure this is the Fox’s first Black IPA and it captures everything that’s good about the style. A critical malt backbone is eased by dry-hopping with four hops. Not bitter, but rather tropical/citrusy hops taste makes this a beer worthy of a celebration.

6. Levante Cloudy & Cumbersome(5.6%): A recent sampling of many of the West Chester brewery’s offerings found this to be the runaway best of a really fine batch of brews. The unfiltered appearance draws you in, but the hops flavors powered by Mosaic leave a pleasing taste on the palate.

5. Tuned Up Double IPA (9.5%): This Spring City brewery opened this year quietly, but the response to it has been exceptional. The untitled brew was its first DIPA, and it will be hard to top. A complex, dense IPA that will floor you in many ways, including the little bits of hops in the brew.

4. NoDa Brewing’s Hop Drop 'n’ Roll IPA(7.2%): I’m going with what the bartender who recommended this at the Charlotte airport said: “It’s the Heady Topper of the South and a man’s IPA.” A little strong on both points, but this was an incredible find. Almost makes you wish for a flight delay.

3. Troeg’s Nimble Giant (9%): The Hershey brewery’s best IPA to date (no, Nugget Nectar is not an IPA), this double explodes with fruity goodness. Exceptional beer.

2. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Coastal Evacuation (8%): An unfiltered double IPA that brings the best out of Centennial hops. The taste is so pure and delicious you have to force yourself to stop drinking it.

1. Lagunitas Born Yesterday Fresh Hop Pale Ale (7%): From the first sip of this unfiltered extremely fresh-tasting beer, I was blown away. Nothing was better this year. NOTHING. A runaway at No. 1.


Where can I purchase your #1 choice sir?? Out here in New Mexico??
 
I thought the Dogfish Beer for Breakfast was HORRIBLE. I assume it was brewed with Founders Breakfast Stout as a natural measuring stick. It's not in the same universe and I am not a Founders Breakfast Stout fanboy. The Sunday Morning Stout from Weyerbacher holds up better to Founders Kentucky Breakfast Stout but KBS is still MUCH better.

The beer world seems to be totally focused on turbid Northeast IPA's like the rubbish routinely turned out by Tired Hands. If IPA's are your thing, check out Tuckahoe Brewery I Want to See Mountains. If Tired Hands made it, people would not shut up about it.
 
Per Philly.com

I'm not big on straying from my normal go to brews but some of these sound intriguing. Anyone tried them?

25. Mikkeller Santa’s Little Helper (10.9% ABV): A Belgian Strong Dark Ale, mildly spiced for the season, that goes down way too easy.

24. Weyerbacher Sunday Morning Stout(11.3%): Ahhh, sit back, relax and continually sip beer’s version of bourbon-barrel aged coffee.

23. Ommegang Shadow Brewer Imperial Stout (9.7%): Coffee, chocolate, roasted, bitter, intense. Or, in a word, masterful.

22. Forgotten Boardwalk The Captain’s Quarters Smoked Porter (5.7%): What, that’s not enough for you? OK, it’s aged in bourbon barrels.

21. Hoppin’ Frog Killer Vanilla Extraordinary IPA (7.5%): A vanilla IPA? They went there and pulled it off. One of the more unique tastes of the year.

20. Conshohocken Blood Money Blood Orange IPA (6.7%): Blood orange in a beer has rarely tasted so good. Strong flavor.

19. Stable 12 Wild West IPA (7.8%): The Phoenixville brewery outdid itself with this West Coast IPA. Tasty and bitter and all that is good about an IPA. Shout out to Conshohocken Brewing's Type A, another top-notch West Coast IPA.

18. Levante Sausage Lemonade (4.7%): For the love of God, what is this? The West Chester brewery has whipped up a Smoked Wheat brew that is all smoke up front (think inhaling an ash pit) and tart thereafter. It takes a sip or two to appreciate the complexity. And the folks at Levante won’t let you order a full one without tasting it first.

17. Flying Fish Exit 7 Pork Roll Porter(7.5%): Yep, pork roll. The Exit series resumed in earnest this year, and this is the best of '16’s bunch. Seemed to me that the more it warmed, the flavor of pork roll was present.

16. Singlecut Beersmiths Billy 18-Watt IPA (5%): The taste and the low ABV that Session IPAs should be all about. Side note: Any IPA by Singlecut could be substituted here. They’re that good.

15. Dogfish Head Beer for Breakfast Stout (7.4%): No time to eat breakfast? This stout is for you. Chances are something you eat for your first meal was used to brew this, including an acceptable use for scrapple.

14. Manayunk Brewing Co.'s Drain Pour(6.6%): This Brett Saison has a really sharp, distinct taste. But the definition of drain pour on the label is classic and puts this over the top.

13. Neshaminy Creek The Shape of Hops To Come (9.5%): Apollo, Simcoe, Citra, Newport, and Topaz hops combine for tour de force of tasty bitterness in this double IPA.

12. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Mop Water(7%): A spiced beer that looks like mop water, but tastes a lot better (no, I haven’t tasted mop water, just a guess on my part). This can really put you in the holiday spirit.

11. 10 Barrel Joe IPA (6.9%): Crisp taste, grassy smell, unfiltered. Great IPA.

10. Tired Hands Science Experiment No. 1 (6.1%): Tired Hands has been known to do some weird stuff so this “weird” IPA is brewed with oats, hopped, and has tastes of grapefruit and maybe a bit of rosemary. Different, but that’s what you expect from the Ardmore brewery.

9. Deschutes/Hair of the Dog Collab #2(14.3%): Deschutes’ Abyss and The Stoic are combined with Hair’s Fred and Doggie Claws to form a deep, dark, intense brew that gets your attention immediately. Kinda like that first punch in the face.

8. Avery Tweak (16%): Yeah, baby. Smell this, then sip – and I mean sip – this fantastic offering from a brewery that knows how to make high-alcohol, intense beers. This is not for the faint of heart.

7. Sly Fox 21st Anniversary Black IPA(6.7%): Pretty sure this is the Fox’s first Black IPA and it captures everything that’s good about the style. A critical malt backbone is eased by dry-hopping with four hops. Not bitter, but rather tropical/citrusy hops taste makes this a beer worthy of a celebration.

6. Levante Cloudy & Cumbersome(5.6%): A recent sampling of many of the West Chester brewery’s offerings found this to be the runaway best of a really fine batch of brews. The unfiltered appearance draws you in, but the hops flavors powered by Mosaic leave a pleasing taste on the palate.

5. Tuned Up Double IPA (9.5%): This Spring City brewery opened this year quietly, but the response to it has been exceptional. The untitled brew was its first DIPA, and it will be hard to top. A complex, dense IPA that will floor you in many ways, including the little bits of hops in the brew.

4. NoDa Brewing’s Hop Drop 'n’ Roll IPA(7.2%): I’m going with what the bartender who recommended this at the Charlotte airport said: “It’s the Heady Topper of the South and a man’s IPA.” A little strong on both points, but this was an incredible find. Almost makes you wish for a flight delay.

3. Troeg’s Nimble Giant (9%): The Hershey brewery’s best IPA to date (no, Nugget Nectar is not an IPA), this double explodes with fruity goodness. Exceptional beer.

2. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Coastal Evacuation (8%): An unfiltered double IPA that brings the best out of Centennial hops. The taste is so pure and delicious you have to force yourself to stop drinking it.

1. Lagunitas Born Yesterday Fresh Hop Pale Ale (7%): From the first sip of this unfiltered extremely fresh-tasting beer, I was blown away. Nothing was better this year. NOTHING. A runaway at No. 1.
You forgot Natty Lite. Best Beer ever made
 
I cannot for the life of me get into IPAs! They're like mouthwash! I was recently at the Yards Brewery in Philly and they have very good stuff! All very drinkable.
 
That's a pretty poor list that is not remotely in touch with the modern craft beer scene.
 
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IPAs are so 2015. I agree - so tired of them. It's like some 22 year old brewer boy with a handlebar mustache said, "Hey, let's see how much hoppiness we can cram in here!" Forget subtlety. Forget nuance. They just want to show how much different and better their tastes are from the unwashed masses. I gravitate to pale ales if I want hops. A touch of hoppiness, but still pleasant. You can taste the hops better when they are not scorching your palate. Kind of like a touch of wasabi on your sushi vs. snorting wasabi up your nose.


And by the way... Get off my lawn!!!
Kidding.
 
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Have had #24, #13 & #8 so far. Have been looking for a case of this years Lagunitas Born Yesterday... had a case of last years and thought it was phenomenal.
 
Per Philly.com

I'm not big on straying from my normal go to brews but some of these sound intriguing. Anyone tried them?

25. Mikkeller Santa’s Little Helper (10.9% ABV): A Belgian Strong Dark Ale, mildly spiced for the season, that goes down way too easy.

24. Weyerbacher Sunday Morning Stout(11.3%): Ahhh, sit back, relax and continually sip beer’s version of bourbon-barrel aged coffee.

23. Ommegang Shadow Brewer Imperial Stout (9.7%): Coffee, chocolate, roasted, bitter, intense. Or, in a word, masterful.

22. Forgotten Boardwalk The Captain’s Quarters Smoked Porter (5.7%): What, that’s not enough for you? OK, it’s aged in bourbon barrels.

21. Hoppin’ Frog Killer Vanilla Extraordinary IPA (7.5%): A vanilla IPA? They went there and pulled it off. One of the more unique tastes of the year.

20. Conshohocken Blood Money Blood Orange IPA (6.7%): Blood orange in a beer has rarely tasted so good. Strong flavor.

19. Stable 12 Wild West IPA (7.8%): The Phoenixville brewery outdid itself with this West Coast IPA. Tasty and bitter and all that is good about an IPA. Shout out to Conshohocken Brewing's Type A, another top-notch West Coast IPA.

18. Levante Sausage Lemonade (4.7%): For the love of God, what is this? The West Chester brewery has whipped up a Smoked Wheat brew that is all smoke up front (think inhaling an ash pit) and tart thereafter. It takes a sip or two to appreciate the complexity. And the folks at Levante won’t let you order a full one without tasting it first.

17. Flying Fish Exit 7 Pork Roll Porter(7.5%): Yep, pork roll. The Exit series resumed in earnest this year, and this is the best of '16’s bunch. Seemed to me that the more it warmed, the flavor of pork roll was present.

16. Singlecut Beersmiths Billy 18-Watt IPA (5%): The taste and the low ABV that Session IPAs should be all about. Side note: Any IPA by Singlecut could be substituted here. They’re that good.

15. Dogfish Head Beer for Breakfast Stout (7.4%): No time to eat breakfast? This stout is for you. Chances are something you eat for your first meal was used to brew this, including an acceptable use for scrapple.

14. Manayunk Brewing Co.'s Drain Pour(6.6%): This Brett Saison has a really sharp, distinct taste. But the definition of drain pour on the label is classic and puts this over the top.

13. Neshaminy Creek The Shape of Hops To Come (9.5%): Apollo, Simcoe, Citra, Newport, and Topaz hops combine for tour de force of tasty bitterness in this double IPA.

12. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Mop Water(7%): A spiced beer that looks like mop water, but tastes a lot better (no, I haven’t tasted mop water, just a guess on my part). This can really put you in the holiday spirit.

11. 10 Barrel Joe IPA (6.9%): Crisp taste, grassy smell, unfiltered. Great IPA.

10. Tired Hands Science Experiment No. 1 (6.1%): Tired Hands has been known to do some weird stuff so this “weird” IPA is brewed with oats, hopped, and has tastes of grapefruit and maybe a bit of rosemary. Different, but that’s what you expect from the Ardmore brewery.

9. Deschutes/Hair of the Dog Collab #2(14.3%): Deschutes’ Abyss and The Stoic are combined with Hair’s Fred and Doggie Claws to form a deep, dark, intense brew that gets your attention immediately. Kinda like that first punch in the face.

8. Avery Tweak (16%): Yeah, baby. Smell this, then sip – and I mean sip – this fantastic offering from a brewery that knows how to make high-alcohol, intense beers. This is not for the faint of heart.

7. Sly Fox 21st Anniversary Black IPA(6.7%): Pretty sure this is the Fox’s first Black IPA and it captures everything that’s good about the style. A critical malt backbone is eased by dry-hopping with four hops. Not bitter, but rather tropical/citrusy hops taste makes this a beer worthy of a celebration.

6. Levante Cloudy & Cumbersome(5.6%): A recent sampling of many of the West Chester brewery’s offerings found this to be the runaway best of a really fine batch of brews. The unfiltered appearance draws you in, but the hops flavors powered by Mosaic leave a pleasing taste on the palate.

5. Tuned Up Double IPA (9.5%): This Spring City brewery opened this year quietly, but the response to it has been exceptional. The untitled brew was its first DIPA, and it will be hard to top. A complex, dense IPA that will floor you in many ways, including the little bits of hops in the brew.

4. NoDa Brewing’s Hop Drop 'n’ Roll IPA(7.2%): I’m going with what the bartender who recommended this at the Charlotte airport said: “It’s the Heady Topper of the South and a man’s IPA.” A little strong on both points, but this was an incredible find. Almost makes you wish for a flight delay.

3. Troeg’s Nimble Giant (9%): The Hershey brewery’s best IPA to date (no, Nugget Nectar is not an IPA), this double explodes with fruity goodness. Exceptional beer.

2. Cape May Brewing Co.'s Coastal Evacuation (8%): An unfiltered double IPA that brings the best out of Centennial hops. The taste is so pure and delicious you have to force yourself to stop drinking it.

1. Lagunitas Born Yesterday Fresh Hop Pale Ale (7%): From the first sip of this unfiltered extremely fresh-tasting beer, I was blown away. Nothing was better this year. NOTHING. A runaway at No. 1.


Iv'e had both the Cape May Brewing Mop Water and Coastal Evacuation and INMO they are both swill. Not impressed with anything Cape May Brewing does.
Full disclosure though I don't like a lot of "flavors" in my beer. Not a fan of all the chocolate, oatmeal, scrapple, wine or whiskey barrel aged anything.
 
I have always wanted to make the pilgrimage out to Russian River for the Pliny fest.

I have buddies who went last year and they waited in line for 2hrs to get in.

Two hours is extremely short! What day did they go? It's upwards of 8 on the weekends.
 
Was in Palm Springs trying to buy Russian River Pliny the Elder to bring back. Went to big package store and they said its like gold. Only a small boutique grocery
store carries it in Palm Desert and they only get a case a week and will only sell one bottle per customer. It is kept in the back room and they bring it out one bottle at a time. Stuff is gone in two days....sometimes in hours. Just curious if NITWIT knew
about it or has tried it?
 
I enjoy a nice smooth IPA anytime. Give me a Heavy Seas Loose Cannon or a Troegs Perpetual and I'm happy. Really like the Victory seasonal that's out, Hop Ranch.
 
Was in Palm Springs trying to buy Russian River Pliny the Elder to bring back. Went to big package store and they said its like gold. Only a small boutique grocery
store carries it in Palm Desert and they only get a case a week and will only sell one bottle per customer. It is kept in the back room and they bring it out one bottle at a time. Stuff is gone in two days....sometimes in hours. Just curious if NITWIT knew about it or has tried it?

It's calmed down a bit over the years, it still sells out pretty quick most places. But if you go to the brewpub in Santa Rosa, they have it EVERY day, blind pig too. It usually lasts until late into the afternoon. Younger on the other hand they don’t bottle and don’t put into growlers during its 2 week appearance. It's unbelievably good.
 
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I don't mind a decent IPA now and then, but if every beer a brewer makes is over hopped it tells me they aren't very good brewers
 
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I'm part of the anti-IPA club. Nasty crap.

The reason for so many IPAs is the crap is fermented at room temp, where a lager/pilsner is cold fermentation process.

Give me a nice crisp pilsner any day.

The reason for so many IPAs is because people like their beer to have some flavor. Anyone can brew a bland tastless lager/pils... as Yuengling has proven, it's incredibly hard to brew a good IPA. What type of hops, what quantity of each, and when they are added changes the taste. They also have to be really fresh when you drink them.

You're allowed to drink what you like... which means more good beer for the rest of us! But if you give hoppy beers a chance, eventually you'll come around.
 
Was in Palm Springs trying to buy Russian River Pliny the Elder to bring back. Went to big package store and they said its like gold. Only a small boutique grocery
store carries it in Palm Desert and they only get a case a week and will only sell one bottle per customer. It is kept in the back room and they bring it out one bottle at a time. Stuff is gone in two days....sometimes in hours. Just curious if NITWIT knew
about it or has tried it?
No but I'm heading to Palm Desert next month. Do you know which store carried it?
 
The reason for so many IPAs is because people like their beer to have some flavor. Anyone can brew a bland tastless lager/pils... as Yuengling has proven, it's incredibly hard to brew a good IPA. What type of hops, what quantity of each, and when they are added changes the taste. They also have to be really fresh when you drink them.

You're allowed to drink what you like... which means more good beer for the rest of us! But if you give hoppy beers a chance, eventually you'll come around.
There are lots of brews that are full flavored without being hoppy. Porters, stouts, brown ales- all have flavor without being particularly hoppy- and all take skill to brew well. There ARE a lot of IPAs out there these days, but too many of them are overhopped swill. More isn't always better, and popularity is a poor measure of quality, it always has been.
 
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Was in Palm Springs trying to buy Russian River Pliny the Elder to bring back. Went to big package store and they said its like gold. Only a small boutique grocery
store carries it in Palm Desert and they only get a case a week and will only sell one bottle per customer. It is kept in the back room and they bring it out one bottle at a time. Stuff is gone in two days....sometimes in hours. Just curious if NITWIT knew
about it or has tried it?

Cant speak for Nitwit but I had it in a small restaurant/bar in Joshua Tree.
It really is exceptional.
 
I realize people who know what Pliny is already know where it turns up on tap. Monks Cafe in Philly has a strong relationship with Russian River so that Blind Pig and Elder are frequently on tap there. Where places might get one keg of Elder, they get a LOT more than that. Both Pig and Elder were on tap at Monks a couple of weeks back. So, if you are in Philly and want to see what the fuss is about, go to Philly Tap Finder and see if Monks has it on tap when you are around.
 
Looked like a list of Philly area beers.

I still miss Prior Double Dark, though....

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No but I'm heading to Palm Desert next month. Do you know which store carried it?
Bristol Farms - 73101 Country Club Dr. Palm Desert, CA (760)-674-0169
Call them as soon as you arrive to make sure they have it in stock or when they
will get their next case. Good Luck!
 
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Not sure sure on the day but I know it was first thing in the morning. They said that there was a 2 pint limit on Pliny.

My buddies are both from around the area so they knew the best day and time.

It used to be a 3 glass limit. I guess 2 shortens the line. 3 was a lot of alcohol too!

If you can find out any intel in the best days and times, let us know!
 
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There are lots of brews that are full flavored without being hoppy. Porters, stouts, brown ales- all have flavor without being particularly hoppy- and all take skill to brew well. There ARE a lot of IPAs out there these days, but too many of them are overhopped swill. More isn't always better, and popularity is a poor measure of quality, it always has been.

I didn't say IPAs are the only beer with taste. Notice you don't list lagers/pils in your post? I think we are on the same page.

Of course popularity is a poor measure of quality. Think how popular budwieser and Miller lite are!
 
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