A NY Post reporters opinion why the Giants should not draft Barkley.

[harbest]

While I am a fan of the other NY team, I would much rather see him go to the Giants instead of the Browns. I had some hope when they traded up to 3, but I have finally come to the conclusion that the Jets are taking the best QB available on their turn. The Browns front office has been nothing short of a train wreck since they were formed and I fear his talents will be wasted if the draft him. I hope to be proven wrong for his sake if they do take him at #1, but the Penn State fan in me fears for him with Cleveland's past history.

https://nypost.com/2018/04/24/the-recent-draft-history-that-should-steer-giants-away-from-barkley/

 

[PrtLng Lion]

OK I was about to claim the NY Post writer is on crack or a hater but his point is the NYG need a QB, not that SB will be a bust.

 

[Art]

I don't disagree with the logic of the Giants drafting a QB. But when is Eli retiring? Do the Giants want a replay of Favre/Rogers or Brady/Garropolo?

 

[LafayetteBear]

They should take Barkley and either draft a QB like Mason Rudolph a little later in the draft, or simply wait another year. I hope the Giants give Davis Webb a chance to show what he can do. Either give him a shot or cut him.

 

[Obliviax]

Browns totally rebuilt their front office with Dorsey (Chiefs) and two guys that came in from Green Bay (with their shakeup). So, I am not as pessimistic about the Browns front office as I've been the last five years. Dorsey is the first guy that I've liked in the Browns front office since they came back in 1999.

Giants OL is a mess while the Browns OL has been mediocre. The Browns problems have been QB and WR. That means no passing game, at all. They signed an all pro flanker and a decent QB (and will take one in the draft at #1 or #4). The Browns also have two of the first three picks in the second round (probably will take an OT there). If the Giants take Barkley, it will be to win this coming year because Eli is almost done.

While Barkley would miss a lot of money, it wouldn't be the worst thing if he dropped to the Colts, 49ers or Broncos.

 

[Columbus_Lion]

If the Giants think Eli has a couple good seasons left in him, draft Barkley. The window for RBs is short, so you give the team a top RB with an established SB winning QB.

 

[Obliviax]

If the Giants think Eli has a couple good seasons left in him, draft Barkley. The window for RBs is short, so you give the team a top RB with an established SB winning QB.

I hate to say it but if the Giants take a QB, Barkley may well drop to 5, Broncos, or 8, Chicago. I see the Dorsey, the Browns, taking Chubb at 4 or trading with the Bills to get their two first rounders and perhaps something outside the first round. Buffalo may not be able to wait until #12 to get the guy they want for QB.

 

[rudedude]

Smart move by Browns is to take Barkley at #1 then a QB at 4. A good QB will be at #4

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

I don't see anything yet. Call me in 48 hours and I will fill in all the blanks.

 

[Obliviax]

Smart move by Browns is to take Barkley at #1 then a QB at 4. A good QB will be at #4

I am pretty sure they want Darnold. Darnold won't be there at #4. The Giants will take him at #2. Then the Bills will take one at #3 (mayfield?). that leaves Rosen (who has intimated he doesn't want to play here) and Allen. I like Allen, but he's going to take time to develop and hasn't shown great accuracy.

If they are locked onto Darnold, they've got to take him at 1.

 

[Art]

Smart move by Browns is to take Barkley at #1 then a QB at 4. A good QB will be at #4

Depends on their evaluation of the QBs. If they are largely indifferent among 3-4, what you suggest makes a lot of sense. If, however, one stands out, they have to use the number one pick on him.

 

[MtNittany]

 

[Rollin Stone]

I don't disagree with the logic of the Giants drafting a QB. But when is Eli retiring? Do the Giants want a replay of Favre/Rogers or Brady/Garropolo?

I think that they would be pretty happy with that. To have one HOF (or close to it) followed up with another great QB. Yeah i think they would take that.

 

[Rollin Stone]

I know we aren’t crazy about ESPN. But i think this is pretty accurate with regard to the thought process of many the decision makers in the NFL.

Greeny - Crazy to take Barkley at 2

 

[harbest]

The question I have is: we know what a talent Barkley is. I question why everybody is all of a sudden so QB crazy that a unique talent like him could drop to the bottom 5 of the top 10. Are these QB's THAT good that they can pass on Barkley or have a lot of these GM's been smoking/drinking something? If he does fall to the bottom 5 of the top 10, I think there will be more than one GM kicking himself in a few years. Just my opinion.

 

[NittPicker]

As an Eagles fan, I'd hate to see Barkley on another NFC East roster and thereby have to root against him twice a year. I'd also feel bad about him going to the Browns. I've seen mock drafts which have him going to Denver, Indianapolis or Tampa Bay. As a fan, I could deal with any of those three.

 

[SLion]

Yes, that ESPN piece on QB value is pretty decent. It is mostly money driven, not all talent. Still, Giants cut Darkwa and signed 31 yo Stewart. Gallman is not bad but not every down back. It has to be SB at 2 or they are insane. No way you go into season with that RB situation.

 

[Nitwit97]

Yes, that ESPN piece on QB value is pretty decent. It is mostly money driven, not all talent. Still, Giants cut Darkwa and signed 31 yo Stewart. Gallman is not bad but not every down back. It has to be SB at 2 or they are insane. No way to go with that RB situation.

I think he usually does a fair job of breaking down numbers etc. it is the finances of it that dictate they should not take RB to get the most value from the pick. Problem is, none of the QBs are world beaters. So , what do you do.

 

[Rollin Stone]

The question I have is: we know what a talent Barkley is. I question why everybody is all of a sudden so QB crazy that a unique talent like him could drop to the bottom 5 of the top 10. Are these QB's THAT good that they can pass on Barkley or have a lot of these GM's been smoking/drinking something? If he does fall to the bottom 5 of the top 10, I think there will be more than one GM kicking himself in a few years. Just my opinion.

It’s because of the higher need value the NFL places on QBs and the lower draft value teams put on RB. Watch the video i posted of Mike Greenberg and it explains the nfl mentality of QB and RB. No one not even the NFL GMs don’t question that Barkley is a higher draft grade. But it’s the value of the positions that make the selections of QBs, LTs, CBs, and DEs a more valued picks.

Take a look at the success of Kareem Hunt drafted 3 rd to KC and Alvin Krama 3 rd to the saints and how they were successful. RBs often have a short life span in the League where as those other positions can last for 10-15 years. Teams believe that they can find many serviceable RBs in the later rounds.

In this years draft, the RB class is quite deep. The Browns for example can take QB #1, Bradley Chubb De #4, and then a really good RB at #33 at the top of the 2nd round which could be Guice, Sony Micheal, or even the RB Chubb both from Georgia. Plus there are a few other RBs that are good the ones from Stanford or San Diego St.

So while we think it’s absurd not to take Barkley, the NFL sees it differently. Because good RBs can be find every year, good QBs can often only be found early in Round 1 and Round 2. After that it would be more luck than a good College QB. As 24 of the 2018 projected 32 QB starters were selected in the first 2 rounds.

Sorry for the length. Haha

 

[Rollin Stone]

Yes, that ESPN piece on QB value is pretty decent. It is mostly money driven, not all talent. Still, Giants cut Darkwa and signed 31 yo Stewart. Gallman is not bad but not every down back. It has to be SB at 2 or they are insane. No way to go with that RB situation.

I think he usually does a fair job of breaking down numbers etc. it is the finances of it that dictate they should not take RB to get the most value from the pick. Problem is, none of the QBs are world beaters. So , what do you do.

But they might be that’s the point. None are looked at immediate starters but all as potential good to franchise QBs.

But we know that it’s possible that 2-3 of them won’t pan out or have less than stellar careers.

 

[Obliviax]

Mel Kiper still calls Barkley the best player in the draft. And, FWIW, whoever drafts him will be my favorite NFL team next year (so there's that).

 

[Safety Blitz]

I’m a huge Barkley fan. Love to watch him play. But if I’m an NFL GM drafting in the top five or six positions, I’m looking at a QB, Chubb, or one of the top couple OL guys. I’m also strongly considering a trade down with one of the QB desperate teams. Then I take my RB on Day 2.
RBs in general have less impact than many other positions. History shows lots of successful RBs come from Rounds 2-4.
It won’t be popular here, but if I’m building a team I would rather have one of the Georgia RBs and two extra second-round picks than Barkley, even if he turns out to be a Pro Bowl player.

 

[LafayetteBear]

In this years draft, the RB class is quite deep. The Browns for example can take QB #1, Bradley Chubb De #4, and then a really good RB at #33 at the top of the 2nd round which could be Guice, Sony Micheal, or even the RB Chubb both from Georgia. Plus there are a few other RBs that are good the ones from Stanford or San Diego St.

So while we think it’s absurd not to take Barkley, the NFL sees it differently. Because good RBs can be find every year, good QBs can often only be found early in Round 1 and Round 2. After that it would be more luck than a good College QB. As 24 of the 2018 projected 32 QB starters were selected in the first 2 rounds.

Sorry for the length. Haha

Bryce Love is returning to Palo Alto to play for the 'Furd again next season. But yeah, Rashad Penny is pretty good.

 

[WDLion]

I don't see anything yet. Call me in 48 hours and I will fill in all the blanks.

I'll make my picks public in three years.

 

[Obliviax]

Reggie Bush says Saquon is the best player in the draft, should be the #1 pick and is better than himself, Reggie Bush, coming out of college.

 

[nittany dave]

While I am a fan of the other NY team, I would much rather see him go to the Giants instead of the Browns. I had some hope when they traded up to 3, but I have finally come to the conclusion that the Jets are taking the best QB available on their turn. The Browns front office has been nothing short of a train wreck since they were formed and I fear his talents will be wasted if the draft him. I hope to be proven wrong for his sake if they do take him at #1, but the Penn State fan in me fears for him with Cleveland's past history.

https://nypost.com/2018/04/24/the-recent-draft-history-that-should-steer-giants-away-from-barkley/

It's as simple as ABC: Anywhere But Cleveland! Jimmy Haslam, the Browns owner, was ripping off truckers and trucking companies by not giving rebates he was contractually obligated to give. I fear Saquon going to the Browns would be a career-killing move.

 

[OldTiredLion]

It's as simple as ABC: Anywhere But Cleveland! Jimmy Haslam, the Browns owner, was ripping off truckers and trucking companies by not giving rebates he was contractually obligated to give. I fear Saquon going to the Browns would be a career-killing move.

I believe the NFLPA would have quite a bit to say if Cleveland's owner tried to not pay anything contractually obligated to Saquan, or anybody else.

 

[RTLH]

I don't disagree with the logic of the Giants drafting a QB. But when is Eli retiring? Do the Giants want a replay of Favre/Rogers or Brady/Garropolo?

Ok Art, you will find a reason to disagree with me as usual. None of these Quarterbacks are "franchise players ".
Stack them up under best available player regardless of position and they would be in the middle of the first round.

 

[Rollin Stone]

I don't disagree with the logic of the Giants drafting a QB. But when is Eli retiring? Do the Giants want a replay of Favre/Rogers or Brady/Garropolo?

Ok Art, you will find a reason to disagree with me as usual. None of these Quarterbacks are "franchise players ".
Stack them up under best available player regardless of position and they would be in the middle of the first round.

The problem is you, I, nor the GMs really know that. This crop of QBs could 3 franchise QBs in the group or may be they are like 1983 draft class or maybe they all are duds.

We are dealing with Human beings, and it is all a best guess situation. And guess what SB could be a bust!! I hope that he won’t be but we don’t know if maybe he takes the money from his first contract and all of sudden gets lazy. Or wrapped in the NYC social scene. We don’t know. Or heaven forbid he gets hurt like Kijana did.

The draft is all about the best guesses. There are no guarantees and no sure things. Remember SI had the picture of Tony Manderich on the cover and he was a sure fire can’t miss OL. He barely had a career mainly because he abuse steroids in College

But it’s all a guess and the teams hope for the best.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

I mean, let's be real....Barkley, Chubb and Nelson are the best three players in this draft (probably in that order) but the article is right. GMs are focused on those kinds of things

 

[step.eng69]

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