Adam Coon to the NFL
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As good an athlete as he is, there’s a lot of ground to be made up against bigger guys that have been doing it nonstop.
I have a feeling Adam is going to make it in the NFL. He’ll be over 300# in a jiffy. If not, he can always fall back to being a simple rocket scientist. 😀
May as well try now. Didn't make the Olympics, and pay is substantially better even if he gets holed up on the practice squad. Plus he can always return to wrestling if it doesn't work out.
As far as size goes, Coon is 6-5 and was cutting to 285 at Michigan. Maybe he needs to add some mass, but not a lot. His issue will be technique.
Haselrig and Neal are obvious comparisons. For a non-wrestler: Villanueva played OL for 1 year before moving to WR, then was out of football for 4 years fulfilling Army duties.
As far as size goes, Coon is 6-5 and was cutting to 285 at Michigan. Maybe he needs to add some mass, but not a lot. His issue will be technique.
Haselrig and Neal are obvious comparisons. For a non-wrestler: Villanueva played OL for 1 year before moving to WR, then was out of football for 4 years fulfilling Army duties.
Sure. He and Tim Tebow can share a beer in a sports bar in September somewhere
Interesting - https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...between-the-adam-coon-and-tim-tebow-signings/
Interesting - https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...between-the-adam-coon-and-tim-tebow-signings/
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Good for him. If he has a typical wrestler's work ethic he should be able to catch up to the other fat bodies in no time.
"At first sight, the Eagles were enamored by Villanueva's impressive length, projecting the West Point grad at 3-4 defensive end despite the fact he led Army in receiving as a senior in 2009 with 34 catches, 522 yards, and five touchdowns."
Eagles Had Right Idea, Wrong Position for Alejandro Villanueva
The former standout at Army, and eventual winner of the Bronze Star, the OL has become a success story in Pittsburgh
Oh ye of little faith. Big....long arms....Greco and freestyle background. Of course Offensive lineman need to be smart.....check.
A few pounds....some added strength and he makes the practice squad and starts within 2 years.
Hmm.. two tryouts from left field.. could it be the declining numbers requires some stunts?
Coon is a smart guy. Instead of starting the NFL at 26, he should talk to the guy that quit at 26...
John Urschel
You mean the guy who got out after making his money?
Yeah, that's a real good comparison for the guy who hasn't made the money yet.
You missed the point. John U made the money and walked away for a good reason. He wants to keep producing peer reviewed papers, and not be making crayola drawings in a dementia care ward.
From what I understand Coon is also pretty damn smart (Aerospace Engineer?), not one of the guys that gets a 10 on the Wonderlic and has no other options.
No, YOU missed the point. Coon didn't get his head bashed in for 7+ years of college and NFL football. The fact that Coon is now the same age Urschel was then is irrelevant. If Coon can make a team, why shouldn't he also play for 2-3 years and then walk away?
And besides, what two crappy things to say: (1) that Coon shouldn't try because you don't approve, and (2) that Coon is getting a tryout only as a stunt.
The Haselrig and O'Neal stunts worked out well for both athletes as well as the Steelers and Patriots.
As far as potential, a 6 foot 5, 320 pound smart guy who happens to be an Olympic level athlete with a wrestler's work ethic isn't anywhere near a long shot.
As far as potential, a 6 foot 5, 320 pound smart guy who happens to be an Olympic level athlete with a wrestler's work ethic isn't anywhere near a long shot.
He has everything it takes to make an exceptional offensive tackle, in terms of size, length, athleticism, but has he ever played? Did he at least play HS ball? If not then I see zero chance and if he did then a very very slim chance after a few years on a practice squad. He’s going to have to get way stronger tho.
I thought I’ve heard people say he was like genius level smart and wanted to be an astronaut or whatever? Not saying he still couldn’t after trying out for the nfl but just curious. Not the smartest thing to take blow after blow to the head when he obviously has a lot of other options. Definitely interesting.
I thought I’ve heard people say he was like genius level smart and wanted to be an astronaut or whatever? Not saying he still couldn’t after trying out for the nfl but just curious. Not the smartest thing to take blow after blow to the head when he obviously has a lot of other options. Definitely interesting.
Oh it’s without a doubt a long shot. No matter how athletic you are. If you never played college ball then how can it not be. It’s been done before but it’s not a prevalent thing especially on the Oline. It’s a lot easier at the TE and wr position.
He did play HS FB and wasn't bad
• Also earned four varsity letters in football and track and field
• Named all-state linebacker (2012) and two-time honorable mention offensive line (2010, '11); named 2013 All-Livingston County Defensive Player of the Year and four-time all-league offensive line and defensive line/linebacker
• 2013 state runner-up in discus and shot put; three-time state placer in shot put, also finishing sixth as a sophomore and junior (2011, '12)
• Ranked as the nation's No. 2 overall recruit by InterMat and No. 1-ranked heavyweight wrestler
• National Honor Society; Class of 2013 Salutatorian
• Also earned four varsity letters in football and track and field
• Named all-state linebacker (2012) and two-time honorable mention offensive line (2010, '11); named 2013 All-Livingston County Defensive Player of the Year and four-time all-league offensive line and defensive line/linebacker
• 2013 state runner-up in discus and shot put; three-time state placer in shot put, also finishing sixth as a sophomore and junior (2011, '12)
• Ranked as the nation's No. 2 overall recruit by InterMat and No. 1-ranked heavyweight wrestler
• National Honor Society; Class of 2013 Salutatorian
It depends if the Titans get Brady or Peyton as their QB. I remember Steeler/Patriot games where there would be Harrison and Woodley rushing Brady a half a step short of a sack with a Patriot hanging off the waist and another around their neck and never a holding call. A Steeler O-lineman would pancake a Patriot to spring Bettis and a couple flags would fly.I wonder if being a great wrestler will translate well in the NFL as to being able to hold on the OL and not get called?
Offensive holding calls depend a lot on who is being protected.
And was unsuccessful in trying to start a trend in wearing headgear lopsided
Ohio State gets a lot of protection.
Yes, Coon is an aerospace engineering graduate and very smart. And, yes, he originally wanted to be an astronaut.
No, he will never be an astronaut unless NASA increases its 6-3 max height.
NFL refs really don't call stalling anymore, he should be fine.
Yet another botched personnel decision by Howie and his crew."At first sight, the Eagles were enamored by Villanueva's impressive length, projecting the West Point grad at 3-4 defensive end despite the fact he led Army in receiving as a senior in 2009 with 34 catches, 522 yards, and five touchdowns."
Eagles Had Right Idea, Wrong Position for Alejandro Villanueva
The former standout at Army, and eventual winner of the Bronze Star, the OL has become a success story in Pittsburghwww.si.com
If we used darts, our draft choices wouldn’t be worse than this bunch.
Yep, one step in a pretty impressive career path for Villanueva. The stuff that a movie could be made.
Roseman deserves nearly all the shots he gets, but this one isn't fair. The Eagles put Villaneuva on the practice squad, from there he got poached. It happens throughout every year in the NFL.
Villanueva wasn't good enough to make the team -- or the Steelers since they stashed him on their practice squad too. And the Eagles were coming off a division title, not a 4-11 team with holes everywhere.
If any finger is to be pointed, Chip Kelly put him at the wrong position (DL) and also where they had fewer opportunities in a 3-4 defense. But even that isn't entirely fair, because Villanueva wouldn't have made the team on the OL either (the Eagles had an outstanding offensive line, at least on paper), and then still would've gotten poached from the practice squad.
I often wonder why do many HWTs walk away from football so early. Gable Steveson despite the $$$ he will soon make has the athleticism and sheer power to make a football coach drool. I suspect he thought long and hard about his choice.
I never saw Adam Coon as particularly athletic. 330lb DEs and 260lb+ edge rushers at the NFL level are some of the more freakish atheletes on the planet.
I will agree the hand fighting, ballance, control of the opponent in neutral, and footwork of an elite HWT are all leverageable to a football OL.
I truly wish Adam well, it would make a good story, maybe even a movie. That said, my money is he is an early cut. If he made the practice squad it would be like climbing Mt Everest. I give his chances of that at less than 5%. When you look at the physique, the experience and the athleticism, Valanueva is like catching lightning in a bottle and Adam Coon has very little in common with AV.
I never saw Adam Coon as particularly athletic. 330lb DEs and 260lb+ edge rushers at the NFL level are some of the more freakish atheletes on the planet.
I will agree the hand fighting, ballance, control of the opponent in neutral, and footwork of an elite HWT are all leverageable to a football OL.
I truly wish Adam well, it would make a good story, maybe even a movie. That said, my money is he is an early cut. If he made the practice squad it would be like climbing Mt Everest. I give his chances of that at less than 5%. When you look at the physique, the experience and the athleticism, Valanueva is like catching lightning in a bottle and Adam Coon has very little in common with AV.
lol. Doesn't seem like you're wishing him well.
Think before you post. . .
It's quite the opposite -- so many HWTs go football instead of wrestling.
Regarding Steveson, today's NFL is obsessed with measurables -- and what they measure is not what we see on the mat. He's 6-1, which is short for his likely positions (and probably also means short reach). His bench is probably good, but we have no idea how he would fare in the speed and agility drills. He potentially could still make it, but would probably have fewer teams interested in taking a chance on him.
There was a guy at the same local high school as my kids, maybe 20 years ahead of them. Big guy, dominated most kids in the small school division in PA. Went to an Ivy. I didn't know him but I guy I worked with....his kids were great friends with the guy. Signs a FA contract with a team. Smallest OL in camp.......but he learned every position along the OL prior to the start of camp. During training camp, any downtime, nose in the playbook, while the vets napped and the other rookies, did rookie crap. I am not sure he was ever a day one starter in the NFL but was in the league for over 10 years with different teams.....he would show up, learn the playbook and make himself too valuable for a team to just kick him to the curb. Made lots of money, didn't abuse his body and parlayed everything he learned to a successful post football career........ in football.
NFL teams don't waste time with guys who don't have a chance..........will be fun to watch.
NFL teams don't waste time with guys who don't have a chance..........will be fun to watch.
"Coon didn't get his head bashed in for 7+ years of college and NFL football."
Irrelevant.
"Unfortunately, we found CTE in people who only played high school football and passed away at a very young age," said lead author Dr. Daniel Daneshvar, from Boston University's School of Medicine CTE Center. Got it? Autopsied high school kids have exhibited histological evidence of CTE.
One good hit is all it takes and it doesn't have to be to the head-does the name Ki Jana Carter ring a bell?
Coon is an adult and can do whatever the hell he wants. I don't offer my "approval" and he doesn't need or want it-and wouldn't even aware of it. I don't understand a guy risking his stratospheric mental prowess on something that will be over in a couple of years at best.
Now I am damn sure that Coon is damn smarter than me when it comes to physics. The immutable law of physics here is 1/2mvsquared. I also remember being in my mid 20's and feeling invincible. JU proves that being that young isn't an impediment to prudence.
The human brain is surrounded by a thin layer of fluid. It doesn't matter what "precautions" are taken. The more elite the players, the faster and bigger they are- the more violent the collision-that is the greater the deceleration.
The simple fact here is the record for wrestlers taking up the NFL is mixed-the late Carlton Haselrig played several years, Brock Lesnar was cut and neither of them had the option of becoming this:
The Wrestler | Michigan Engineering
In between problem sets, design projects and exams this academic year, the rising star trained for Olympic tryouts.
Can I take it you played a lot of football based on your emotional reaction?
Just a guess, but with the height he generates on that back-flip of his I would bet his legs move extraordinarily fast during a sprint.
I get it, you said only disposable people (stupid people with no other options) should play football."Coon didn't get his head bashed in for 7+ years of college and NFL football."
Irrelevant.
"Unfortunately, we found CTE in people who only played high school football and passed away at a very young age," said lead author Dr. Daniel Daneshvar, from Boston University's School of Medicine CTE Center. Got it? Autopsied high school kids have exhibited histological evidence of CTE.
One good hit is all it takes and it doesn't have to be to the head-does the name Ki Jana Carter ring a bell?
Coon is an adult and can do whatever the hell he wants. I don't offer my "approval" and he doesn't need or want it-and wouldn't even aware of it. I don't understand a guy risking his stratospheric mental prowess on something that will be over in a couple of years at best.
Now I am damn sure that Coon is damn smarter than me when it comes to physics. The immutable law of physics here is 1/2mvsquared. I also remember being in my mid 20's and feeling invincible. JU proves that being that young isn't an impediment to prudence.
The human brain is surrounded by a thin layer of fluid. It doesn't matter what "precautions" are taken. The more elite the players, the faster and bigger they are- the more violent the collision-that is the greater the deceleration.
The simple fact here is the record for wrestlers taking up the NFL is mixed-the late Carlton Haselrig played several years, Brock Lesnar was cut and neither of them had the option of becoming this:
The Wrestler | Michigan Engineering
In between problem sets, design projects and exams this academic year, the rising star trained for Olympic tryouts.news.engin.umich.edu
Can I take it you played a lot of football based on your emotional reaction?
Coon disagrees. So does Urschel, as he did play both college and pro ball.
Urschel's early retirement was a statement of how much risk he would accept. He accepted greater than zero risk, as he did play. Therefore he is not proof that Coon should accept zero risk. He is a good example of what Coon's maximum risk might be -- though Coon is plenty smart enough to make that determination.
That's entirely logical. Risk is both absolute and relative, contains both consequence and likelihood, and is weighed against opportunity.
If I have an emotional reaction, it's that I don't think of people being stupid with no other options, and absolutely would never consider someone medically disposable because of their perceived lack of intelligence. That's incredibly arrogant on so many levels.
PS, I never played football.
PPS, Please send link showing Ki-Jana has CTE. I've found nothing of the sort despite googling his name with CTE, with concussions, and with injury. This article from last year lists his injuries as his rookie ACL tear + "a torn rotator cuff, a broken wrist, and more knee issues."
The Unfortunate Tale of Ki-Jana Carter, the Bengals' No. 1 Overall Pick 25 Years Ago
A look back at the career of former No. 1 overall pick Ki-Jana Carter, whose NFL career was sadly cut way too short.
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El Jefe, re-read his post re: KiJana. He says it doesn’t have to be a hit to the head(in fact, it’s possible that he blew the knee before Porcher even touched him) so I don’t think he implied it was CTE for him.I get it, you said only disposable people (stupid people with no other options) should play football.
Coon disagrees. So does Urschel, as he did play both college and pro ball.
Urschel's early retirement was a statement of how much risk he would accept. He accepted greater than zero risk, as he did play. Therefore he is not proof that Coon should accept zero risk. He is a good example of what Coon's maximum risk might be -- though Coon is plenty smart enough to make that determination.
That's entirely logical. Risk is both absolute and relative, contains both consequence and likelihood, and is weighed against opportunity.
If I have an emotional reaction, it's that you will never hear me talk about stupid people with no other options. That's incredibly arrogant on so many levels. Among them: every college or pro athlete has other options.
PS, I never played football.
PPS, Please send link showing Ki-Jana has CTE. I've found nothing of the sort despite googling his name with CTE, with concussions, and with injury. This article from last year lists his injuries as his rookie ACL tear + "a torn rotator cuff, a broken wrist, and more knee issues."
The Unfortunate Tale of Ki-Jana Carter, the Bengals' No. 1 Overall Pick 25 Years Ago
A look back at the career of former No. 1 overall pick Ki-Jana Carter, whose NFL career was sadly cut way too short.
OK, but then why cite him? Ki-Jana's blown knee was from getting his cleat stuck in the turf. Which is non-contact but a direct cause of the tear -- his knee went one direction while his foot was stuck.
The CTE equivalent of this would be whiplash. Do we have scientific proof that whiplash happens frequently in football and is a high-likelihood cause of CTE when it does?
Or is this another "it could happen" moment?
(PS, the saddest thing about Ki-Jana was that his rookie contract included a pay cut if the Bengals switched to grass or traded him to a grass team -- because he rightly feared turf injuries and was willing to take less pay for less risk.)
