In a profession teeming with scoundrels.......Fina is on everyone's First-Team All-State List.
AG Kane Said to Be Facing Inquiries on Multiple Fronts
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Hahahaa! No doubt.
I'd say corbett's PA OAG (aka the porndogs) may go down as one of the most corrupt in the state's (with the likes of Ernie Preate, et al. in PA that's saying a lot) maybe even U.S. history. This will be exposed with some of the current lawsuits (Paterno vs. NCAA/PSU, Spanier vs. freeh, and Alum Trustees vs. PSU), federal investigations into TSM/PSU (U.S. Postal Inspectors and U.S. Attorney, Central district of PA via Gordon Zubrod), and when CSS are done suing the crap out of fina/state of PA for abuse of office, malicious prosecution, etc..
Gordon Zubrod made some interesting comments a few years ago after Kids for Cash was exposed. He said something to the effect that there is still a lot of entrenched corruption in PA and people that previously thought they were untouchable (my guess: other judges, fina, corbett, et al.) are going to get a wake up call. That day will be a glorious day indeed.
Yes, and this explains why Seth Williams has racked up a handful of politicians (all Black) on petty minor charges for getting cash or gifts worth a couple of thousand dollars each, while at the same time they cut an immunity deal with the guy they used to entrap them on these beyond minor and petty charges despite the fact that the guy they are using to entrap them is guilty of Charitable Fraud and Racketeering to the tune of almost a half-a-million $$$s - and that is only what is known! LMFAO that you see this as some huge coup by Seth Williams who is part of the corrupt network and hired Fina after he left the OAG when Kane won the OAG election.
Well that makes everything Kane said and did okay.....
For the record, bringing up the informant's crimes and deal only serves to confirm what a ridiculous decision Kane made in not prosecuting.
She had to sign off on his deal because he had kept up his end of the bargain. Why would she then not hold him to it instead of killing the case? At least do some good with the evidence.
As far as money unaccounted for, why didn't Kane force the issue?
Oh that's right, she had that report done after her killing the case went public. It had nothing to do with her decision, but she acted like it did.
I'm fully willing to admit Fina is a scumbag. It'd be great if both end up losing their careers over this. I just don't understand giving Kane a pass when she's been caught blatantly lying?
I'm fully willing to admit Fina is a scumbag. It'd be great if both end up losing their careers over this. I just don't understand giving Kane a pass when she's been caught blatantly lying?
This.
You keep coming back to these "slam dunk" bribery cases.
So....let me put it to you once again Mr L.T:
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"THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! They took the bribes, period. There's no way around it." L. T Young
So....in this grand-slam case that Fina and WIlliams had.....where, as you claim THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! THEY TOOK THE BRIBES, PERIOD. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT!!!
How many bribery convictions did that crack prosecution team of Fina and WIlliams come up with?
Let me clue you in......its a number that only Chuck Norris can divide by.
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Riddle me that, Batman!
Until you can explain that.........
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The article you linked states that it may be linked to the Rob McCord and Mike Fleck investigations,
You keep avoiding the question as to why the cases were not prosecuted before she took office. LOL.
Ummm...Kane didn't make that decision. That decision was made the moment Fina signed the nolle pros. deal with Ali thus dropping all 2,088 charges against h im, before Kane was even in office so I'm not even sure what the hell you're talking about here. Kane couldn't prosecute because Fina, as an agent of the OAG, signed a document with Ali that agreed to nolle pros. (drop) all 2,088 charges. Kane was simply forced to execute on this deal once Ali's lawyer forced her to in 2013.
Kane didn't want to execute it (since, you know, the guy took over $400K from the state and she wasn't even the person who signed the deal with him) but Ali's lawyer filed a motion in 2013 to compel and Kane was then forced to execute it.
Of course Ali kept his end of the bargain! What criminal in their right mind wouldn't? All Ali had to do, in order to get ALL 2,088 charges dropped, was wear a wire and try to bribe some low level Philly black democrats. The problem is that Fina offered him the deal in the first place, all to go after some minnows. WHY on earth would he do such a thing? Why not allow Kane, who was taking office in a matter of weeks, decide whether or not to nolle pros. all the charges against Ali?
I don't think you even know what a nolle prosequi deal is. It's what Fina signed with Ali before Kane was even in office. I suggest you read up before mouthing off on this board. If you're mad Ali got away with his crimes you have no one else to thank other than Fina.
Of course he is. Because there's no logical explanation. Just like there's no logical explanation to drop 2,088 charges against a guy for defrauding the state out of almost 1/2 a million all to go after some minnows.
FYI...some powerful stats from JimmyW on TOS:
As it happens, I've been keeping notes on Child Predator arrests. Make of it what you will.
The Child Predator Unit was created in January 2005 under AG Corbett. Over the first four years it averaged 45 arrests per year. In the next 8 months that rate increased to 80 per year, after which Corbett released that information in a press release. Within a month he announced his bid for Governor. Then it dropped back to a rate of about 36 per year. After he became Governor, the rate dropped to 18 arrests per year. All told, it took over 8 years to reach 300 arrests under Corbett.
The year before Kane became AG, there were only 16 arrests. After Kane took over as AG she re-dedicated staff to the Child Predator Unit. The arrest rate jumped to 147 per year. It took 25 months to reach 306 arrests under Kane.
The data below came from AG press releases:
----- the number at end of each line is rate of arrests over that period
1/2005 - 12/2008: 181 total arrests --> 45 /yr
1/2009 - 8/2009: 234 total since start --> 80 /yr (avg 50 /yr since start)
----- 9/15/09 Corbett announces bid for governor
9/2009 - 2/2010: 252 total since start --> 43 /yr
3/2010 - 2/2011: 284 total since start --> 32 /yr
----- 1/18/2011 Corbett in office as Governor of PA
3/2011 - 12/2011: 298 total since start--> 19 /yr
1/2012 - 12/2012: 314 total since start --> 16 /yr (avg 40 /yr since start)
----- 1/15/2013 Kathleen Kane in office as AG of PA
11/23/2013, 106 total arrests in 2013 --> 115 /yr
2/13/2015, 306 arrests since Kane took office --> (avg 147 /yr under Kane as AG)
As it happens, I've been keeping notes on Child Predator arrests. Make of it what you will.
The Child Predator Unit was created in January 2005 under AG Corbett. Over the first four years it averaged 45 arrests per year. In the next 8 months that rate increased to 80 per year, after which Corbett released that information in a press release. Within a month he announced his bid for Governor. Then it dropped back to a rate of about 36 per year. After he became Governor, the rate dropped to 18 arrests per year. All told, it took over 8 years to reach 300 arrests under Corbett.
The year before Kane became AG, there were only 16 arrests. After Kane took over as AG she re-dedicated staff to the Child Predator Unit. The arrest rate jumped to 147 per year. It took 25 months to reach 306 arrests under Kane.
The data below came from AG press releases:
----- the number at end of each line is rate of arrests over that period
1/2005 - 12/2008: 181 total arrests --> 45 /yr
1/2009 - 8/2009: 234 total since start --> 80 /yr (avg 50 /yr since start)
----- 9/15/09 Corbett announces bid for governor
9/2009 - 2/2010: 252 total since start --> 43 /yr
3/2010 - 2/2011: 284 total since start --> 32 /yr
----- 1/18/2011 Corbett in office as Governor of PA
3/2011 - 12/2011: 298 total since start--> 19 /yr
1/2012 - 12/2012: 314 total since start --> 16 /yr (avg 40 /yr since start)
----- 1/15/2013 Kathleen Kane in office as AG of PA
11/23/2013, 106 total arrests in 2013 --> 115 /yr
2/13/2015, 306 arrests since Kane took office --> (avg 147 /yr under Kane as AG)
You keep coming back to these "slam dunk" bribery cases.
So....let me put it to you once again Mr L.T:
____________________
"THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! They took the bribes, period. There's no way around it." L. T Young
So....in this grand-slam case that Fina and WIlliams had.....where, as you claim THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! THEY TOOK THE BRIBES, PERIOD. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT!!!
How many bribery convictions did that crack prosecution team of Fina and WIlliams come up with?
Let me clue you in......its a number that only Chuck Norris can divide by.
___________________
Riddle me that, Batman!
Until you can explain that.........
Yea, if it was such a "slam dunk....they had it on tape" why precisely did Fina allow it to whither on the vine while he was handling the case at the OAG and nothing was done until he took a job with Philly DA Williams whereupon more deals were cut for minor irrelevant pleas using a guy who defrauded State Charities of almost a half-a-million bucks (and that is only what is "known") to entrap the politicians by offering the criminal guilty of Grand Theft, fraud & racketeering clemency??? Gee, I wonder why Fina didn't prosecute it while he was at the OAG and instead elected to allow it to whither on the vine such that the case had not been touched in a long, long time when Kane took over OAG...gee, what a coinky-dink!
If you are going to use that quote, at least know what Shakespeare meant, which is the exact opposite of what you are implying. Ironically, the point Shakespeare was trying to make was that "killing all the lawyers" would destabilize the society, making it easier to seize power. He wasn't mocking lawyers.
Look you moron, I already stated in another post she was forced into the deal. It changes absolutely nothing I posted.
It took 3 posts for you to grasp Kane lied about having evidence, maybe you'll figure this out in two.
If she had to honor the deal why would she not at least get something out of it?
The claim his deal prevented prosecution is asinine. They had the targets on tape accepting bribes. There's no getting around that so I'm not sure why you're trying to act like it wasn't cut and dry. Criminals are used to catch criminals everyday.
Whether or not she agreed with the deal doesn't matter. She had rock solid evidence and balked because of party politics.
You're insistence on bringing up Ali's crimes only highlights the need for the case to be prosecuted. To just toss everything aside after he got pass makes zero sense.
You're a blind fool that just spits out Kane talking points.
She flat out fabricated evidence in a news conference where she invited another prosecutor to take the case. Explain how that isn't trying to sink the case?
The one person fighting the charge is doing so on the grounds of racial targeting, the exact thing Kane lied about in her news conference.
You're just thick as can be. Anything she says is the absolute truth to you.
I can't wait for those emails to be released. You're going see yet another embarrassment for Kathleen Kane, bank on it.
I bring up Ali's crimes because they were wayyyyy worse than those alleged against the philly democrats. I find it abhorrent that fina signed a binding legal document with that scumbag which stated the OAG agreed to not prosecute him (aka nolle prosequi deal) all to apprently try and entrap some black philly democrats for taking a few K worth of gifts and not reporting them. It makes zero sense.
Without Ali testifying in the case (with the nolle pros. deal already signed the OAG no longer had any leverage over Ali) against the philly democrats there was no way for the OAG to verify the tapes youre so obsessed with. How many times have you seen a prosecutor submit undercover tapes as evidence but not had the person who made them testify?? The defense team would crap all over them and their unverified tapes.
By the way, are you still trying to ponder why, if this case/evidence was so rock solid, fina never prosecuted it himself in the year and a half it sat dormant??? We're all ears here.
I can't wait for the emails to be released as well. Im sure fina has fought tooth and nail to first delete them then prevent their dissemination all for shits and giggles!! Hopefully at that time you will stop infecting this board with your nonsensical drivel. Fina is the one playing politics with regard to blingsting not kane...you're just to gullible/biased/stupid to see it.
Btw. If you've read my posts you'd know that I've stated a number of times that I'm not Kanes biggest fan and I think she has messed up plenty of things (trying to beat fina at his own game instead of listening to her advisors, etc) however that doesn't excuse finas behavior.
Finas main priority while at the OAG was going after corbetts political enemies (on both sides of the aisle mind you) via bonusgate, computergate, and hypocritically waisting OAG computer resources/time via swapping porn and God knows what else instead of protecting PA's citizens. That is playing politics. The stats from JimmyW I posted above make that abundantly clear.
Exactly. This entire thread is a head scratcher. Everybody is basically right. Fina (among others of his cronies, Seth, etc) is a total scumbag. Kane is an unqualified lightweight AG whose tenure as AG has been a political circus from day 1. Epic fail all around. Get them all out of my face.
Amazing how he keeps avoiding this question despite multiple people asking it:
By the way, are you still trying to ponder why, if this case/evidence was so rock solid, fina never prosecuted it himself in the year and a half it sat dormant??? We're all ears here.
This was such a rock-solid, slam-dunk case that Fina passed on the chance to prosecute it during his tenure at OAG??? Mmmmmhhhhhhmmmmm, yea, sure, right-o, etc......LMFAO at these people that love the OG BOT and corrupt Corbett and his merry band of porn-dogs - ever notice how they go hand-in-glove with one another (ditto their minion Corman)....
Some decent comments in response to the Fina/Ali/Kane debacle on the CasablancaPA blog: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5454535989576644455&postID=8739657965382871767
Yep. Its always the same turds defending the same scumbags over and over...at least on this site their B.S. is usually called out pretty quick, then they slink away for a while hoping nobody notices, but we do.
Thanks for sharing ChiTown. Some VERY interesting comments in there that pretty much lay everything out.
This quote (link -fina is hiding behind Judge Carpenter's robe) sums up exactly why fina doesnt want the rest of the emails released, he doesn't want to be the next on this list--his career/reputation is on the line (these are some big time peolpe that have already lost their jobs):
"At this time, a Pa. Supreme Court Justice has resigned, a member of the Pa. Board of Probation and Parole appointed by Corbett has stepped down, the Director of the Pa. Dept. of Conservation and Natural Resources has lost his job ... and more have been named in it were it not for union protections -- and Carpenter's decision -- that preclude such identification."
More from the linked article:
"However, Fina went to Carpenter last year and asked "for a ruling from [Carpenter] that barred her from releasing his name publicly in any fashion ..." Fina said that "Kane's office was using a threat to tying him to the sexually-explicit e-mails to intimidate and silence him and others," again from the Inquirer story.
The macho prosecutor is afraid of "intimidation" from the state's first female AG?
Carpenter, who has been supervising a grand jury investigation of Kane, has egg on his face re this case. He was forced to withdraw a subpoena that he had signed for Tribune-Review state capital correspondent Brad Bumstead. Pennsylvania has a strict shield law that prevents reporters from having to reveal their sources.
Carpenter was asked by the Tribune-Review attorney why he was withdrawing a subpoena that he had signed. "That's what I am going to try and figure out," he told the attorneys.
Clueless, Judge Carpenter?
A Duquesne University law professor went one step further. After hearing that Carpenter had added two justices to the Kane case to sit with him to avoid bias, Bruce Ledewitz said, "... maybe it would have been better if he had turned it over to an independent three-judge panel instead of him sitting on it." Sounds like an ethical problem. His statements were in the Tribune-Review.
What to make of all this?
First, Kane has a better chance in this case because of the judge's bias and ham-handedness;
Second, Kane will eventually be able to tie Fina to the e-mail fiasco because Carpenter is seemingly out of his league on this;
Third, Kane still has a tough case ahead of her and will be asked to resign again by Democrats. They do not want this case to be looming over the 2016 elections when they believe that Hillary Clinton will have a great chance to carry Pa. again (last time Repub. won was 1988) and have a great opportunity to knock off right-wing U.S. Senator Pat Toomey.
Stay tuned. This could be very interesting."
LOL Thanks a lot. NEVER heard that interpretation (
) Uh...the point is kinda' the point though.
also contained the information concerning Matt McTish (who I know personally) and the Green Stamp
LMAO.......this guy must by CR's twin Brother.
Here he comes back again with:
" She had rock solid evidence and balked because of party politics."
So....let me put it to you once again Mr L.T:
____________________
"THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! They took the bribes, period. There's no way around it." L. T Young
"SHE HAD ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE and balked because of party politics." L. T. Young
So....in this grand-slam case that Fina and WIlliams had.....where, as you claim THEY HAD IT ON TAPE!!! THEY TOOK THE BRIBES, PERIOD. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT!!! SHE HAD ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE!!!
How many bribery convictions did that crack prosecution team of Fina and WIlliams come up with?
Let me clue you in......its a number that only Chuck Norris can divide by.
___________________
Riddle me that, Batman!
Until you can explain that.........
Clearly, no one......NO ONE.......can be as stupid and dense as LT Young would seem to be......regurgitating his inane nonsense.
There are only two options:
- he is conflicted by some association with scoundrels
or
- he is a paid shill, contracted to spread this pure horse manure over the social media spectrum
In either case, he deserves to be treated appropriately.
and all they need are a couple of astroturfing hack partisan trolls to repeat his lies over and over again on message boards and media websites . . .
