AKB, how are colleges going to evaluate applications this coming year?

[LionJim]

Wow, quite a post. This is a serious question which deserves serious answers and not this post. Your forgetting where the backspace button is is the least of it. No need for the vitriol. There are good people on this board, treat them with respect.

That said, I don’t see this as being all that much of a problem. Schools which are academically selective are going to look at the applicant’s high school and see what kind of history they have with that school. And (Herb’s daughter’s school notwithstanding) most colleges still use mathematics placement tests. It’s not going to be ideal (underrepresented groups are going to be disproportionally negatively affected, sadly), but the schools and students will adjust. The instructors will be prepared for these things; it won’t be business as usual. It’ll work out. We’ve got bigger problems.

 

[Obliviax]

Wow, quite a post. This is a serious question which deserves serious answers and not this post. Your forgetting where the backspace button is is the least of it. No need for the vitriol. There are good people on this board, treat them with respect.

That said, I don’t see this as being all that much of a problem. Schools which are academically selective are going to look at the applicant’s high school and see what kind of history they have with that school. And (Herb’s daughter’s school notwithstanding) most colleges still use mathematics placement tests. It’s not going to be ideal (underrepresented groups are going to be disproportionally negatively affected, sadly), but the schools and students will adjust. The instructors will be prepared for these things; it won’t be business as usual. It’ll work out. We’ve got bigger problems.

I don’t understand the vitriol and suspect alcohol is at the core. (not meant for you LionJim, but "other" posters)

I was simply asking the question because the paradigm has changed on how colleges evaluate college students for acceptance. Much of what was done before two evaluate a prospect is no longer available. I don’t doubt that we will adjust and everything will be fine. I was simply asking to see how to better position my daughter so that she can get into the right school for her.

Please put down the bottle

 

[Aardvark86]

1. Admissions people know the schools well enough to sort through grade inflation
2. Personal essays are a bigger deal than most think. Kids who write stuff where you can hear their voice and passion (rather than those who describe the suburban horrors they’ve overcome in their quest to save the world from itself) generally do well. Aardvark Jr. wrote on why the music of Bruce Springsteen was important to him, but damn if it didn't sound like he was sitting there talking to me when I read it. UVA seemed to like it too.

 

[Midnighter2]

I don’t understand the vitriol and suspect alcohol is at the core. (not meant for you LionJim, but "other" posters)

I was simply asking the question because the paradigm has changed on how colleges evaluate college students for acceptance. Much of what was done before two evaluate a prospect is no longer available. I don’t doubt that we will adjust and everything will be fine. I was simply asking to see how to better position my daughter so that she can get into the right school for her.

Please put down the bottle

His post was terrible but not fair to accuse of alcohol abuse without any proof.

 

[Obliviax]

His post was terrible but not fair to accuse of alcohol abuse without any proof.

fair enough...but it is scary to think that that post was crafted and posted with a clear mind. I thought I was doing him a favor by suggesting it was due to some kind of foreign substance. If you are saying he crafted and posted that without impairment, that is truly scary.

 

[Midnighter2]

fair enough...but it is scary to think that that post was crafted and posted with a clear mind. I thought I was doing him a favor by suggesting it was due to some kind of foreign substance. If you are saying he crafted and posted that without impairment, that is truly scary.

I think the benefit of the doubt is the best play here until proof otherwise. High road bruh.

 

[Agoodnap]

I think the benefit of the doubt is the best play here until proof otherwise. High road bruh.

Frankly, claiming alcohol involvement is giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Pardlion]

I'm coming out right now and saying that if I post after 5:00 today, alcohol is involved.

 

[Agoodnap]

I'm coming out right now and saying that if I post after 5:00 today, alcohol is involved.

AM or PM?

 

[Aardvark86]

I'm coming out right now and saying that if I post after 5:00 today, alcohol is involved.

you see people, this is how we heal. We must get over denial, and always be honest with ourselves and others.

 

[Woodpecker]

His post was terrible but not fair to accuse of alcohol abuse without any proof.

80?

 

[LionJim]

80?

That was very Bernard, Bernard.

 

[Midnighter2]

80?

😈

 

[91Joe95]

I see no problems her

Another la


Another PMSing white man suburban mythical issue... let them in and if they can perform they will and if that can't they will fail. So, be it.

Our little suburban school in BFE Tennessee has had a blended 2 days in school instruction and 2 days out of school instruction a week for 6 years.
This micro dot school in Tn ranked 14th in the state of Tn in academic achievement in 2019. In 2020 it moved up a notch. Kids from this school are getting into universities with ease. They not pampered. They did not whine like the entitled often do...

We are seeing 22 and soon more athletes getting scholarships after an abbreviated jr season and yet we are saying what we are witnessing and discussing can't be done. What kind of panty wastes are we.

WW2 interrupted a lot of peoples lives and somehow without the prissy Sats and ACTs our parents using the GI bill, purpose and self confidence got in and succeeded.

This entire thread is embarassing.



You would be a whining white suburban male I would presume..

I see kids getting into schools here in

It is monumentally stupid of you to argue that taking school away from kids for 1.5 years (and maybe counting) is good for a child's education, to say nothing of their mental well being. My sister is a teacher in an inner city school. She was lucky if half the class tuned in to their sessions, and she was one of the lucky ones who had honors classes. Get out from under your rock.

 

[LionJim]

It is monumentally stupid of you to argue that taking school away from kids for 1.5 years (and maybe counting) is good for a child's education, to say nothing of their mental well being. My sister is a teacher in an inner city school. She was lucky if half the class tuned in to their sessions, and she was one of the lucky ones who had honors classes. Get out from under your rock.

The kids your sister teaches are the ones who are going to be impacted the most, no question.

 

[Media Fan]

Ever been to China? Want to know what it's like to live in a place with that many engineers?

Better than a land of lawyers.

 

[WestSideLion]

600,000 new Chinese engineers each year; India 350,000; US 70,000 ( approximations).
As said elsewhere, China is a nation of engineers; the US is a nation of lawyers.
I know which one I favor.

Lots that’s interesting here. China and India are about 5x the US population. Per capita, India engineers correlate. Why so many more in China? Are they leaving and working abroad, effectively replacing would-be US engineer grads?

 

[Grant Green]

My sister is a teacher in an inner city school. She was lucky if half the class tuned in to their sessions, and she was one of the lucky ones who had honors classes.

If this is true, than your sisters class is an extreme outlier. It's not hard to take attendance in virtual classes. They did it in my kids city school and called home when your kid missed (or when the teacher forgot to submit attendance). My kids classes were pretty full. My sister and sister-in-law teach in Media, PA and Brunswick, GA (low income area) and both had well attended virtual classes. Data from the links below show that the drop in attendance in some major US cities was not close to 50%. And the biggest drops were in disadvantaged groups, not honor students. I'm not saying that the last year didn't have a negative effect on education, but <50% attendance is a gross exaggeration.


https://bellwethereducation.org/pub...s-estimating-scale-covid-19-attendance-crisis
https://www.advocatesforchildren.or...f_attendance_disparities_covid_41421.pdf?pt=1

 

[Midnighter2]

Better than a land of lawyers.

So you haven’t been.

 

[OhHello]

• Many sports were canceled
• Many activities were canceled
• Minorities groups are discouraging the use of standardized testing like SAT and ACT
• GPA's are wildly inconsistent depending upon the school, location, and curriculums
• Lots of non-school stuff was canceled like jobs, scouts, etc.

Thanks in advance!

Maybe it can be based on the means and connections of the parents. Another advantage to those locking things down for extended periods. Reduce their competition and definitely don't let them compete on their own merits.

 

[91Joe95]

If this is true, than your sisters class is an extreme outlier. It's not hard to take attendance in virtual classes. They did it in my kids city school and called home when your kid missed (or when the teacher forgot to submit attendance). My kids classes were pretty full. My sister and sister-in-law teach in Media, PA and Brunswick, GA (low income area) and both had well attended virtual classes. Data from the links below show that the drop in attendance in some major US cities was not close to 50%. And the biggest drops were in disadvantaged groups, not honor students. I'm not saying that the last year didn't have a negative effect on education, but <50% attendance is a gross exaggeration.


https://bellwethereducation.org/pub...s-estimating-scale-covid-19-attendance-crisis
https://www.advocatesforchildren.or...f_attendance_disparities_covid_41421.pdf?pt=1

Everybody passes. Once the kids know that it's game over for lots of kids. And yes, the most vulnerable are the ones who are hurt the most. Btw, you don't want to know what counts as attendance. If you think its soley being logged into class then you would be mistaken.

 

[Grant Green]

Btw, you don't want to know what counts as attendance. If you think its soley being logged into class then you would be mistaken.

Anything to back that up other than anecdotal evidence from one source?

Again, not saying that kids weren't hurt, but your claims are much exaggerated.

 

[bison13]

Anything to back that up other than anecdotal evidence from one source?

Again, not saying that kids weren't hurt, but your claims are much exaggerated.

None of my kids had to be logged in to the class to be marked as present. I mean I would have to initially mark them as absent but then you have to go back and look and see if there was any type of communication for that day or even their parents can call directly to the attendance clerk and say that their kid had trouble logging on and they're marked present.

 

[91Joe95]

Anything to back that up other than anecdotal evidence from one source?

Again, not saying that kids weren't hurt, but your claims are much exaggerated.

Exaggerated by how much? Are you trying to claim schools haven't adjusted what they count as attendance to include logging in and 'verifying' kids watched a video, or turning in an assignment regardless of level of completion or correctness, or even simply having a computer on in a background even though they aren't even onscreen or don't answer, etc? They redefined what they count as attendance, you missed it.

 

[91Joe95]

None of my kids had to be logged in to the class to be marked as present. I mean I would have to initially mark them as absent but then you have to go back and look and see if there was any type of communication for that day or even their parents can call directly to the attendance clerk and say that their kid had trouble logging on and they're marked present.

My kids school district sent out emails saying something similar. They also sent out emails saying Pennsylvania had waived the eight unexcused absences law that previously triggered automatic state reporting. Don't get me started on how they were calculating grades.

 

[Grant Green]

Exaggerated by how much? Are you trying to claim schools haven't adjusted what they count as attendance to include logging in and 'verifying' kids watched a video, or turning in an assignment regardless of level of completion or correctness, or even simply having a computer on in a background even though they aren't even onscreen or don't answer, etc? They redefined what they count as attendance, you missed it.

Well, you said your sister was lucky to get 50% attendance and the articles that I posted suggested that about 5 to 20 pct of kids were missing classes at given times in cities like LA, Chicago, NY, and Boston. Attending a class means logging on by computer. If a kid isn't paying attention, that doesn't count as not attending. A kid can go to an person class and tune out just as easily.

 

[bison13]

My kids school district sent out emails saying something similar. They also sent out emails saying Pennsylvania had waived the eight unexcused absences law that previously triggered automatic state reporting. Don't get me started on how they were calculating grades.

Do they give kids a 50% even if they dont turn in the assigned work? We do

 

[Grant Green]

None of my kids had to be logged in to the class to be marked as present. I mean I would have to initially mark them as absent but then you have to go back and look and see if there was any type of communication for that day or even their parents can call directly to the attendance clerk and say that their kid had trouble logging on and they're marked present.

My kids did. I guess our anecdotal evidence cancels out.

 

[bison13]

My kids did. I guess our anecdotal evidence cancels out.

I don't know if it cancels it out considering that Montgomery County Maryland has 150,000 students in it and that's the policy for all of them.

 

[CentexLion]

I see no problems her

Another la


Another PMSing white man suburban mythical issue... let them in and if they can perform they will and if that can't they will fail. So, be it.

Our little suburban school in BFE Tennessee has had a blended 2 days in school instruction and 2 days out of school instruction a week for 6 years.
This micro dot school in Tn ranked 14th in the state of Tn in academic achievement in 2019. In 2020 it moved up a notch. Kids from this school are getting into universities with ease. They not pampered. They did not whine like the entitled often do...

We are seeing 22 and soon more athletes getting scholarships after an abbreviated jr season and yet we are saying what we are witnessing and discussing can't be done. What kind of panty wastes are we.

WW2 interrupted a lot of peoples lives and somehow without the prissy Sats and ACTs our parents using the GI bill, purpose and self confidence got in and succeeded.

This entire thread is embarassing.



You would be a whining white suburban male I would presume..

I see kids getting into schools here in

I've never read stuttering in a post before. Pretty cool

 

[91Joe95]

Do they give kids a 50% even if they dont turn in the assigned work? We do

Oh yeah. If an assignment was mostly filled out, regardless of correctness, 100%.

 

[91Joe95]

Well, you said your sister was lucky to get 50% attendance and the articles that I posted suggested that about 5 to 20 pct of kids were missing classes at given times in cities like LA, Chicago, NY, and Boston. Attending a class means logging on by computer. If a kid isn't paying attention, that doesn't count as not attending. A kid can go to an person class and tune out just as easily.

My sister goes by who actually logs into class. Of course, the school does differently. But when you redefine something, you can't compare it to a previous metric, now can you. Unless you're...

 

[Obliviax]

Oh yeah. If an assignment was mostly filled out, regardless of correctness, 100%.

this all validates my original question regarding how colleges can, in any way, provide some kind of level playing field to consider applicants. A nephew was told that they would get a passing grade no matter what but please show up and do the work. it was really up to the parents to make sure the kids showed up and did their work.

Back to colleges, if ACT and SAT are optional, I have no clue how people get in. I suspect that the applicant's essay will end up being the decision point along with secondary decisions being made on grades and activities (comparatively). But if there was ever any continuity before, it was certainly destroyed last year.

 

[Media Fan]

Lots that’s interesting here. China and India are about 5x the US population. Per capita, India engineers correlate. Why so many more in China? Are they leaving and working abroad, effectively replacing would-be US engineer grads?

7 of the 9 members of the Central Committee are engineers by training.
How many American kids want to put in the work or have the mathematical skills to become engineers.
As my Harvard prof. said, China is a nation of engineers, the US is a nation of lawyers. Gee, aren’t we lucky.

 

[ryoder1]

To the OP's question, for 2022 applicants things have opened up over the last 9 months so there should be an opportunity to show some extracurricular activity post Covid peaks. If not or if the point was about before that then when it was a lockdown type situation what these selective schools will want to see is what did the applicant do to still make a contribution to the community. Did they do nothing and sat at home or did they demonstrate leadership to make a positive difference? Did they go to a local hospital and offer to volunteer? Did they organize a food drive in their neighborhood to then benefit families that were severely impacted by Covid? These are a couple examples. Also, GPA and SAT/ACT scores are still very important and relevant. It is not like they are just thrown out.

 

[WestSideLion]

7 of the 9 members of the Central Committee are engineers by training.
How many American kids want to put in the work or have the mathematical skills to become engineers.
As my Harvard prof. said, China is a nation of engineers, the US is a nation of lawyers. Gee, aren’t we lucky.

Is there more at play? Ex: is the US farther down the maturity curve in terms of economic and industrial development? Can China realistically use all of these engineers domestically or are they exported to fill US and European industrial roles?

 

[Midnighter2]

7 of the 9 members of the Central Committee are engineers by training.
How many American kids want to put in the work or have the mathematical skills to become engineers.
As my Harvard prof. said, China is a nation of engineers, the US is a nation of lawyers. Gee, aren’t we lucky.

Curoious to see a list of modern technological invention/innovation by country. There is a reason part of doing business in a China is handing over all trade secrets and innovation.

 

[Obliviax]

To the OP's question, for 2022 applicants things have opened up over the last 9 months so there should be an opportunity to show some extracurricular activity post Covid peaks. If not or if the point was about before that then when it was a lockdown type situation what these selective schools will want to see is what did the applicant do to still make a contribution to the community. Did they do nothing and sat at home or did they demonstrate leadership to make a positive difference? Did they go to a local hospital and offer to volunteer? Did they organize a food drive in their neighborhood to then benefit families that were severely impacted by Covid? These are a couple examples. Also, GPA and SAT/ACT scores are still very important and relevant. It is not like they are just thrown out.

Thank you.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

I've never read stuttering in a post before. Pretty cool

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[kgilbert78]

American Football Players, or International Football players? USA sucks at International men's football

Not compared to China. Yet.