Allar Drive...what could have been?

[proud2bpsufan]

Not sure if this was commented on yet.
Had Tyler Warren caught that beautiful NFL caliber touch pass on 2nd and 7, Allar would have been 3-3 for 48 yards and sitting first down at Purdue's 29-yard line. I think Allar was poised enough at that point to keep driving for a TD. That would have caused a QB controversy for the rest of the season.

 

[rrdd2021]

Not sure if this was commented on yet.
Had Tyler Warren caught that beautiful NFL caliber touch pass on 2nd and 7, Allar would have been 3-3 for 48 yards and sitting first down at Purdue's 29-yard line. I think Allar was poised enough at that point to keep driving for a TD. That would have caused a QB controversy for the rest of the season.

I know this might not be very popular, but don't put too much pressure on the kid. Let him develop. He has the physical tools - most top CF QBs do - his problem will be development between the ears to play against OSU, Michigan and MSU. I'm OK with Cliff the rest of the way and occasionally seeing Drew in some key moments

 

[Ian]

Not sure if this was commented on yet.
Had Tyler Warren caught that beautiful NFL caliber touch pass on 2nd and 7, Allar would have been 3-3 for 48 yards and sitting first down at Purdue's 29-yard line. I think Allar was poised enough at that point to keep driving for a TD. That would have caused a QB controversy for the rest of the season.

That was a tough catch even for Tinsley or Washington. On third down, when scrambling, had he ran instead thrown it would have been a first down... what if’s win a lot a games.

 

[proud2bpsufan]

I know this might not be very popular, but don't put too much pressure on the kid. Let him develop. He has the physical tools - most top CF QBs do - his problem will be development between the ears to play against OSU, Michigan and MSU. I'm OK with Cliff the rest of the way and occasionally seeing Drew in some key moments

I agree with you. Clifford is the guy for this season. Experience and his level of talent gives PSU the best chance to win. Maybe Allar's drive stalling was a message from the universe to Nittany Nation. It's not his time yet but will be a very good one next season.

 

[AWS1022]

I agree with you. Clifford is the guy for this season. Experience and his level of talent gives PSU the best chance to win. Maybe Allar's drive stalling was a message from the universe to Nittany Nation. It's not his time yet but will be a very good one next season.

I think we will see a lot more Allar once PSU gets their second loss, whenever that is.

 

[BOSCO2]

Things might have gone better for Sean too without at least 4 dropped passes.

 

[creamery freak]

I think we will see a lot more Allar once PSU gets their second loss, whenever that is.

Personally I'd like to see him get 25-33% of the snaps this year with the offense to grow and learn, because of the obvious talent he has. That will set him and PSU up well for the next 2 years because 4 might not happen.

 

[NittanyChris]

Personally I'd like to see him get 25-33% of the snaps this year with the offense to grow and learn, because of the obvious talent he has. That will set him and PSU up well for the next 2 years because 4 might not happen.

There’s no way Allar is here all four years. He’s just too talented. Hoping we get two years with him as starting QB.

 

[Waltwam]

I think we will see a lot more Allar once PSU gets their second loss, whenever that is.

Maybe we ought to wait until we have 1 loss before discussing our 2nd one!!!?????

 

[AWS1022]

Maybe we ought to wait until we have 1 loss before discussing our 2nd one!!!?????

I hope we don’t see any losses, but my point was if we do see two losses, I think Allar will play a lot at that point. I think Franklin would play Allar, but he’s not going to do it if we keep winning (and no coach would).

 

[heckmans]

I think we will see a lot more Allar once PSU gets their second loss, whenever that is.

After the loss to OSU that puts PSU out of contention, I hope Allar starts the last 4 games + the bowl game above the mason-dixon line.

 

[ryoder1]

After the loss to OSU that puts PSU out of contention, I hope Allar starts the last 4 games + the bowl game above the mason-dixon line.

Don't hold your breath. Clifford will keep starting as long as he wants. He will even start some meaningless bowl game (I know they all are excl playoff) against another 4 or 5 loss team.

 

[AWS1022]

Don't hold your breath. Clifford will keep starting as long as he wants. He will even start some meaningless bowl game (I know they all are excl playoff) against another 4 or 5 loss team.

I think it depends on what transpires throughout the season. We have no idea what Franklin will do because he’s never had a top rated QB sitting behind someone else.

 

[Obliviax]

Down boys…looong way to go.

he looked poised and in control. It was perfect, he had some success and made some bad decisions. He can build confidence and improve.

watching his high school career, he has two really strong features: howitzer arm and great accuracy running left or right. He isn’ta gifted runner but has pocket elusiveness.

most encouraging is that the moment wasn’t too big on the road in front of a tough crowd. But understand the defense was tuned to stop SC, a medium arm strength QB who is supposed to be able to run (he didn’t). When there is film, defenses will force him to play to his weaknesses.

 

[Waltwam]

I hope we don’t see any losses, but my point was if we do see two losses, I think Allar will play a lot at that point. I think Franklin would play Allar, but he’s not going to do it if we keep winning (and no coach would).

Misunderstood your post. I thought you were already chalking 2 losses up. I realize it's possible and even likely, but I don't think we know much about any team after 1 game. If Purdue turns out to be a cupcake, we'll have learned a lot. And if they turn out being a good ball team, well, same thing!!!! I have been through seasons when we clobbered someone in the opener, thinking we were going to be tough, and weren't. Here's hoping our biggest lesson was that these kids are fighters and won't give up when the going gets tough and things are going against us!

 

[The Spin Meister]

I know this might not be very popular, but don't put too much pressure on the kid. Let him develop. He has the physical tools - most top CF QBs do - his problem will be development between the ears to play against OSU, Michigan and MSU. I'm OK with Cliff the rest of the way and occasionally seeing Drew in some key moments

Would rather see Veilleux as long as we have a shot at winning the division. Let Allar develop.

 

[The Spin Meister]

I think we will see a lot more Allar once PSU gets their second loss, whenever that is.

Nope. Franklin is loyal to a fault. He will play Clifford even if Clifford needs a walker to move around the pocket!

 

[AWS1022]

Nope. Franklin is loyal to a fault. He will play Clifford even if Clifford needs a walker to move around the pocket!

When was the last time he had a highly rated QB sitting on the bench? Never….so him being “loyal to a fault” had more to do with options.

 

[christoph]

In college the athletic quarterback with a descent arm is what’s needed. Look at Ohio state. Generally their “amazing” QB’s are not very good in the NFL but all get them closest to a championship. For now we have the big red dog and a pocket passer after him. Neither fit that mold. Don’t get me wrong, a gun slinger can work wonders, but we don’t have that either.

 

[creamery freak]

In college the athletic quarterback with a descent arm is what’s needed. Look at Ohio state. Generally their “amazing” QB’s are not very good in the NFL but all get them closest to a championship. For now we have the big red dog and a pocket passer after him. Neither fit that mold. Don’t get me wrong, a gun slinger can work wonders, but we don’t have that either.

Burrow worked out pretty good at LSU and the NFL.

 

[Texas Lion]

I did see enough to know that we need to recruit more back ups for next year cause CV will be gone. Can’t go in to season with Allar, bp, and smolik. Problem is no portal kid gonna come to battle to back up Allar.

 

[bvillebaron]

When was the last time he had a highly rated QB sitting on the bench? Never….so him being “loyal to a fault” had more to do with options.

Hey what’s wrong with you? Trying to bring facts snd objectivity?

 

[The Spin Meister]

When was the last time he had a highly rated QB sitting on the bench? Never….so him being “loyal to a fault” had more to do with options.

Levis is looking pretty damn good. Veilluix looked pretty good when he played. Yet Clifford played the Illinois game and by the fourth quarter should have had a Hovaround he was so banged up.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Hey what’s wrong with you? Trying to bring facts snd objectivity?

See above^^^^^

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Not sure if this was commented on yet.
Had Tyler Warren caught that beautiful NFL caliber touch pass on 2nd and 7, Allar would have been 3-3 for 48 yards and sitting first down at Purdue's 29-yard line. I think Allar was poised enough at that point to keep driving for a TD. That would have caused a QB controversy for the rest of the season.

All of that is true, but you don't mention the one thing that is telling as to why Cliff is #1 in front of him..... On the 3rd Down play of his final down-series, Drew elected to throw deep downfield on 3rd-&-7 to a very well-covered Tinsley (pass was not really close to being completed as Tinsley was so blanketed) rather than run for the first down - which he easily could have done as he had broken containment to his right and the closest Purdue downfield defender to him was 30 yards away... He easily could have picked up the first with his feet as he had nothing but green grass in front of him, but elected to throw into heavy coverage deep downfield (a bad decision). I'll give Cliff credit here, that is a situation where Cliff likely makes the right choice - Cliff is very good at extending drives with his feet. But Drew will learn with additional game time - in fact, I'm sure the coaches will review that play with Drew and tell him, "You take the sure first down in that situation rather then attempt an extremely low% throw....". But, as some people on here don't seem to understand, we learn much more from our mistakes than our successes - successes build confidence, but mistakes are always very good learning experiences.

Cliff had some dropped balls as well, as a QB you will lose your team if you start getting all pouty about, and blaming everything, on your receivers. Cliff stuck at it and came thru when the chips were down which is almost certainly why CJF has gone with him.... he has more confidence in Cliff's decision-making and getting the job done when the chips are down like PSU's "last chance" game-winning drive.

 

[DrJC]

Pertaining to using Aller to quickly - be careful that damned portal does not become attractive. That is one of the drawbacks in having a QB for 6 years. Talent does not like to wait.

 

[Texas Lion]

Pertaining to using Aller to quickly - be careful that damned portal does not become attractive. That is one of the drawbacks in having a QB for 6 years. Talent does not like to wait.

He can’t go anywhere now and the job is his next year so why would he leave??

 

[AWS1022]

Levis is looking pretty damn good. Veilluix looked pretty good when he played. Yet Clifford played the Illinois game and by the fourth quarter should have had a Hovaround he was so banged up.

Levis didn’t look that good when he was here. Veilluix looked okay against Rutgers, but that was long after the Illinois game, so we have no idea what he looked like at that point….and neither were highly rated like Allar.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Not sure if this was commented on yet.
Had Tyler Warren caught that beautiful NFL caliber touch pass on 2nd and 7, Allar would have been 3-3 for 48 yards and sitting first down at Purdue's 29-yard line. I think Allar was poised enough at that point to keep driving for a TD. That would have caused a QB controversy for the rest of the season.

As I put in my other post above, Drew's series could have been extended had HE made the correct decision on 3rd-&-7 from basically the midfield stripe. He clearly made the wrong decision on that play (attempted an extremely low-percentage deep sideline throw into heavy coverage rather than take the easy first with his feet. His decision-making in that situation likely improves when coaches review the play with him and he gets additional playing time, but at the present time, that drive was likely extended on that play if Cliff was making the decision.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Levis didn’t look that good when he was here. Veilluix looked okay against Rutgers, but that was long after the Illinois game, so we have no idea what he looked like at that point….and neither were highly rated like Allar.

Levis never had a shot. When he was in he was nothing but a glorified full back. And other teams knew to key on his running when he was in.

 

[lazydave841]

He clearly made the wrong decision on that play (attempted an extremely low-percentage deep sideline throw into heavy coverage rather than take the easy first with his feet.

Agree that he should have run for the first down, but you can't fault the kid either for making a perfect throw that should have been caught.

Of course, had the pass been completed and he throws some more dimes, and we score a TD, then what?

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Agree that he should have run for the first down, but you can't fault the kid either for making a perfect throw that should have been caught.

Of course, had the pass been completed and he throws some more dimes, and we score a TD, then what?

Again, you want to put all the blame on Warren, when the reality is that Drew is just as responsible for the drive ending as he easily picks up a drive extending first down (actually probably takes the ball down to the Purdue 35 or 30 yard line) if he simply makes the right decision on that 3rd-&-7 play. No matter how you want to slice it, Drew was every bit as responsible for that drive ending as much as any of his teammates. He had a sure thing first down if he just keeps running - instead he choose a very low-percentage deep throw to the sideline into double coverage.

 

[lazydave841]

Again, you want to put all the blame on Warren, when the reality is that Drew is just as responsible for the drive ending as he easily picks up a drive extending first down (actually probably takes the ball down to the Purdue 35 or 30 yard line) if he simply makes the right decision on that 3rd-&-7 play. No matter how you want to slice it, Drew was every bit as responsible for that drive ending as much as any of his teammates. He had a sure thing first down if he just keeps running - instead he choose a very low-percentage deep throw to the sideline into double coverage.

And that throw is why he'll be a draft pick one day. If it were the 4th quarter and the game on the line, sure, run for it. First offensive possession in the 3rd quarter and you throw a perfect ball that a TE drops? Yeah, I think it's OK to blame the TE.

 

[AWS1022]

Levis never had a shot. When he was in he was nothing but a glorified full back. And other teams knew to key on his running when he was in.

And there was a reason for that. I think coaches who see him in practice every day would know a bit better than message board posters.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

And that throw is why he'll be a draft pick one day. If it were the 4th quarter and the game on the line, sure, run for it. First offensive possession in the 3rd quarter and you throw a perfect ball that a TE drops? Yeah, I think it's OK to blame the TE.

This is moronic - you want to hold one player accountable for not making a play, but not another for making an equally bad play on a more important down. He could have walked for a first down on that play! Again, he makes the correct decision, PSU is 1st-&-10 deep in Purdue territory (probably somewhere around the 35.). Drew made a very poor decision on that play and is probably a good example of why Cliff is still the #1 QB (Cliff is very good in this phase of the game and regularly extends drives with his feet). I am not knocking Drew - he's young and needs more experience - but he made the wrong decision on that play (a decision that Cliff would have likely gotten correct).

 

[The Spin Meister]

And there was a reason for that. I think coaches who see him in practice every day would know a bit better than message board posters.

Well, weird how he got amazingly better all of a sudden.

He is an example of how Franklin tries to force players to play his system no matter how their skill sets match up.

 

[lazydave841]

This is moronic - you want to hold one player accountable for not making a play, but not another for making an equally bad play on a more important down.

Apologies. I combined the 2 plays in my memory. Allar definitely at fault on the 3rd down because his pass was off target and the run was available.

 

[lazydave841]

Well, weird how he got amazingly better all of a sudden.

He is an example of how Franklin tries to force players to play his system no matter how their skill sets match up.

I think Levis is a good fit for what Yurcich was expected to do when he got here. I think his better deep ball passing would have made him 1b at worst.

Imagine if he came in vs Iowa as a sub and potentially won the game. I don't know that he would have ceded the job back to Clifford.

Still, Levis benefit greatly from Coen at UK last year (who is back in the NFL as OC). They were a strong running team (this year with Coen and a good chunk of the OL gone, they got 40 ish yards vs Miami OH) who could throws bombs and PA (this year he has more receiving weapons luckily).

 

[The Spin Meister]

I think Levis is a good fit for what Yurcich was expected to do when he got here. I think his better deep ball passing would have made him 1b at worst.

Imagine if he came in vs Iowa as a sub and potentially won the game. I don't know that he would have ceded the job back to Clifford.

Still, Levis benefit greatly from Coen at UK last year (who is back in the NFL as OC). They were a strong running team (this year with Coen and a good chunk of the OL gone, they got 40 ish yards vs Miami OH) who could throws bombs and PA (this year he has more receiving weapons luckily).

He was 21-32, 303 yds, 3TDs, one pick. Not bad.

 

[lazydave841]

He was 21-32, 303 yds, 3TDs, one pick. Not bad.

Really good game. Tayvion looks to be a great replacement for Wandale and the 2 true freshman are already better than the other options they had last year.

3 big things for next week:

1. They go to The Swamp and play Florida.
2. Rodriguez is out again (suspension).
3. OL is young.

This is the type of game where he can prove he's a first round pick.