Just wondering if any update on Cortez. I would of thought that if it was season ending , Gulibon would drop to 133 and throw a body in at 141. Got a good chance to split bouts. Better tournament team
Any news on Cortez
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I think the Jimmy to 133 is not going to happen. Reports were, that Cortez could have gone vs Rutgers, but those reports seem to fly contrary to other reports that Cortez won't be going vs Iowa either. Concerning situation but hoping Cortez can get back in time to win a few matches and qualify for St Louis.
It's going to be hard to win without Cortez in St. Louis. I know we have a lot of firepower at other weights, but we need to qualify somebody who can win matches at NCAAs at 133. George Carpenter seems like a fine kid but he's not going to qualify at 133.
The sooner Cortez can't get back the better. They shouldn't rush him back if he isn't ready, but as soon as he is we need him. He has barely wrestled this year and he's going to need the experience come March. Otherwise 133 will be a black hole.
The sooner Cortez can't get back the better. They shouldn't rush him back if he isn't ready, but as soon as he is we need him. He has barely wrestled this year and he's going to need the experience come March. Otherwise 133 will be a black hole.
It is really important to remember this. Cortez is needed for Nationals but Carpenter has wrestled so hard. He won't qualify and he's not ready, but he's given the effort.
Depends on what you believe Cortez can achieve at nationals. A non AA scores around 3 points and a 7th/8th scores around 8 points.
I think they were likely holding Cortez back for Iowa this Friday. Granted, its a tough re-insertion with Clark being there, but no need to bring him back for Rutgers and likely too early for Minny/Nebraska. All indications were (through interviews) that he was back in the room and wrestling hard before the new year. The time is now.
Same discussion every year, but we respectively don't need points at all weights, not sure a healthy Cortez doing much at ncaas regardless
Cael wants Cortez confident in all positions first. We don't need him to beat Iowa
Cortez can help in St. Louis if he returns to the form that made us believe he could be an AA this season. Just qualifying doesn't help the team score by more than a few points. I would keep him out until he's completely healthy to give him the best shot possible at making a run at the NCAAs. Otherwise it won't make much difference between him and Carpenter.
Agreed. George goes out and gives it his all. I like that and he has wrestled some kids really tough this year. That's all you can ask for.
Cael wants Cortez confident in all positions first.
Since we are all speculating anyway, do you think this confidence is that he is well and can physically compete or mentally and that he is ready for battle, or both? Just seems like a long wait to re-insert him into the lineup if in fact he was physically recovered and wrestling hard for the last two weeks.
Watched Micic yesterday and he looked excellent on his feet vs Montoya. He also wrestled both NATO and Clark very well. Is Cortez at best a 5th place finisher (NATO, Clark, Richards, Micic, ?) at the Big 10's? If he doesn't beat Clark, which seems likely even if they wrestle Friday, what is the best his seed could look like?
Since we are all speculating anyway, do you think this confidence is that he is well and can physically compete or mentally and that he is ready for battle, or both? Just seems like a long wait to re-insert him into the lineup if in fact he was physically recovered and wrestling hard for the last two weeks.
Watched Micic yesterday and he looked excellent on his feet vs Montoya. He also wrestled both NATO and Clark very well. Is Cortez at best a 5th place finisher (NATO, Clark, Richards, Micic, ?) at the Big 10's? If he doesn't beat Clark, which seems likely even if they wrestle Friday, what is the best his seed could look like?
Hard to remember a less talked about starter on the team than Cortez, even starting in the preseason Cael had little to say it seemed. Not really sure if it isn't something more than just physically ready? I have a hard time seeing NCAA points at 133 to be kind
This is one of the reasons I find the argument that "we already have someone at the weight" when discussing recruits a bit misguided. You can overdo it, like Iowa did by having commitments from 5 or 6 125s last year, but having 2 or 3 high-quality guys (if you can swing it) is not a bad thing. Carpenter can't be faulted for effort, but he's just not at a high-enough level now. Who knows, he could wind up like Pearsall, but he's not there just yet.
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It has got to be so darn hard in that room, and even worse in the bigger NLWC room, to be mentally ready if you have any doubts about any part of your wrestling game, physical or mental.
There is a chance, and of course this is pure, wild speculation, that when Cortez goes live vs teammates he only wins vs back ups. I'd say Nick has him beat, probably mostly from neutral. I think Jimmy would be the same or maybe this is a toss up. Forget wrestling those above Jimmy. In the bigger, NLWC group, I suspect Nico and Conway beat him. How do you get your head right when the coach is telling you that you are the guy if you struggle that much? Doesn't it have to carry over onto the mat for real matches?
I certainly hope I know don't know what I am talking about with Cortez and he comes back and has a fantastic rest of the season starting Friday.
There is a chance, and of course this is pure, wild speculation, that when Cortez goes live vs teammates he only wins vs back ups. I'd say Nick has him beat, probably mostly from neutral. I think Jimmy would be the same or maybe this is a toss up. Forget wrestling those above Jimmy. In the bigger, NLWC group, I suspect Nico and Conway beat him. How do you get your head right when the coach is telling you that you are the guy if you struggle that much? Doesn't it have to carry over onto the mat for real matches?
I certainly hope I know don't know what I am talking about with Cortez and he comes back and has a fantastic rest of the season starting Friday.
Forget practice, Cortez beat Conaway in the finals of the NLO last season and that is not speculation.
Montoya and possibly even McKee will be seeded above him if he doesn't get a good win against Clark or NaTo. It's an uphill battle. Hoping for a miracle against a "rusty" Clark, who just went the distance against a top guy.
We'll know more this Thursday, as one piece of the Qualifier Criteria will be published...I see 7 slots guaranteed, with the possibility of 2 additional when all's done. That makes 9 possible.
Which, I think, is good, but the injury situation needs to improve in time to get a few more wins, I believe. If not, then also good, but you want him back with some matches under his belt. We saw last year, with Nevills, that it is extremely difficult to perform with only a few weeks left in the season.
Agree, the difference with or without Cortez is probably no more than 5 points - it is probably not a difference maker....or absolute must have points imho.
Yep, excellent point. As to Cortez coming back Friday, not sure this would jive with what Cael has done in the past - for his return, Cael may put him in a w/e Tourney where he can record more mat time and matches... Who knows really.
True, but the true differential between Cortez going and not going to Nationals might just as easily be zero points... On a probability adjusted basis, the differential is probably more like 1 or 2 points - could it be the difference between winning and taking 2nd? Sure....maybe. Will it likely be the difference? Probably not to the tune of like 99% probability....
Remember, there's a Coaches Radio Show this Wednesday...never know what Coach will say 
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Remember, there's a Coaches Radio Show this Wednesday...never know what Coach will say
What if Hall's redshirt is taken? Ut oh!!!
or what that fine gentleman from Boalsburg will eitherRemember, there's a Coaches Radio Show this Wednesday...never know what Coach will say
Could mean the title.
But, be assured, there will be MAJOR misdirection and spin, if the difference is 10 or less points, and you WILL see denial that Hall would have gotten those ten points. LMAO.
Cortez needs live wrestling, under the lights, not just in the room, yes...hoping he gets back soon. My point with the number of Qualifier Allocations is to show that a healthy Jered has an excellent shot at going to NCAA's...not that it's a great surprise.
Actually, your point was to stir up another round of Mark Hall comments. You just didn't know it.
Your point is well made and correct.
My point is that time is of the essence now...as March draws more near, at some point you need to be healthy BEFORE the final 2 weeks of the regular season, as we saw last year.
It just hit me that Mark Hall comments are the David S Pumpkins of this forum's threads.
Why did some people on this forum go "all in" on Mark Hall comments? Why do (at least) 73 out of 100 threads have Mark Hall comments? (M)any questions?
In my opinion, David S Pumpkin does not need his redshirt taken away. Although Pumpkin is a great prospect, those doubting or even questioning Pumpkin's redshirt, are simply arguing a moot point. Now, David T Pumpkin, his brother, is another story.
The Pumpkins' are the greatest brother combo since the Banach's and the Schultz's.
Does anyone know if Gulibon was certified to go down to 133 and if so what he has been weighing the last couple of bouts.?
Even if he certified at 133 it's to late to drop the weight legally unless he just sits out until the Illinois dual.
If he can't wrestle until sitting out until the Illinois match than I'm a little confused on my perception of weight loss and the guidelines. I believe that you get certified to your lowest weight pre season and you have until Feb 15 to establish it. You're allowed to lose 1.5 % of your weight every week. In the case of Gulibon if he could weigh in at 140 one week and lose 2.2 pounds and weigh 137.8 the next week. He still could wrestle 141. In a month time he could drop to get to 133 . That is why I asked what he weighed his last couple of bouts. If coaches know Cortez is done they could be doing the weight loss protocol for Gulibon.
I did the math. You're right, he could get to 133 by 2/15 -- with 4 ounces of wiggle room. That's if he hits all of his weigh-ins exactly on the target. Lots of risk there.
However, you're spitting into the wind. It's not happening.
