Probably the 3rd time I've seen such a snap in the shotgun formation since PSU-duhO$U game - all of them allowed to proceed as live balls. So much for the PhuckNut rules expert who claimed the delayed call after PSU had recovered live ball was the correct one.
Anyone else see rolled snap from shotgun formations in Eagles-Giants game?
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Not the same. The center double-clutched the snap in the Eagles game. The call was correct.
Wrong play, the QB was under center on that play and Center double-pumped ball (that is an illegal snap). Play I'm talking about happened before that play - QB in shotgun formation and center rolled ball back to QB with ball barely getting off ground initially and skipping of ground back to QB. Ball was not blown dead - I've seen multiple such snaps in shotgun formation (which is what duhO$U was in) and all ruled live.
The Refs taken care of OSU once again, what a surprise vs PSU
Yep, he lost control of the ball while snapping it from shotgun formation (same thing that happened in PSU-duhO$U game) - Centers didn't double-pump ball or move it forward before snapping (i.e., a feigned snap before snapping which is a snap infraction) - the Centers merely lost control of the ball while snapping from the shotgun formation. I've seen the identical situation (Center losing control of ball while snapping from shotgun causing ball to roll into Backfield) multiple times since duhO$U-PSU game and the ball has remained live in every one except PSU-duhO$U. In addition, the Officials did not blow the play dead and throw a flag, until after PSU recovered.
I'll try to survive it. I am very comfortable with OSU's performance in the B1G over the years. Very young team, better next year. BTW, how'd you do with Michigan?
Sorry, but it resulted in a snap infraction by the center.
It’s past time to move on......and out of this BS league.
Big break or not? Correct call if OSU "recovers?" Losing teams bitch and whine...but that circumstance is up there with the bounce pass to Hartstock #88 right? FWIW I agree it is time to move on...but that doesn't mean it wasn't a huge momentum swing and that it appears to be egregiously wrong....right?
It’s always time to move on when PSU has once AGAIN been screwed by the BIG refs in a close game v. OSU, where the calls clearly were difference makers in the W-L column. Interception that wasn’t and the replay mysteriously didn’t work, OSU FG after play clock had expired, the TE “catch” leading to OSU’s winning FG (he dropped the ball, it bounced off the ground, and the official had a clear view), and this idiotic “misinterpretation” of a rule (a misinterpretation that didn’t pass the smell test). Those are just off the top of my head among the clear cheating that we should just “move on” from.
My life has gone on and the results will never change so in that sense I’ve moved on. Which doesn’t change the facts set forth above and the obvious bias (don’t even get me started on the Michigan and Iowa screenings) of this sh&thole conference.
Actually, I know one of the refs from the "bounce pass" game. I asked him why it wasn't overturned because the ball did hit the ground. He said that at the time refs did not have a camera angle that would have clearly showed it, so it was not overturned. They do now. The idea that the B1G is out to get PSU is absurd. Did you watch the Browns Packers game? I still don't believe the NFL is out to get the Browns. Reffing is a part of the game like the strike zone in baseball or fouls in basketball.
LOL..complete BS. The camera showed it several times. And if the refs said that they did not have access to such cameras, that is BS as well. Reminds me of when tOSU "intercepted" a pass against PSU that clearly hit the turf and the refs stated that the cameras were temporarily unavailable at the time.
LOL....what a joke.
"Snap Infraction" is called when the Center moves the ball, but does not complete the snap motion (It is effectively an "illegal motion" penalty on the center - the reason it is illegal is that defenders will generally go as soon as they see ball movement from the Center. Centers will often try to draw an offside by rocking the ball forward or visibly squeezing it so the ball is rocked to side... both are variants of feigning the initiation of a snap to draw the defender offsides. Any motion of the ball without a complete snap motion is effectively "illegal motion" by the center which is a "Snap Infraction"). However, in the instance of the play yesterday, as well as the play in the PSU-duhO$U game, the Center did not stop their snapping motion once they started it, they merely lost control of the ball WHILE snapping it causing the ball to stay close to the ground and roll into the backfield. This is not a Snap Infraction - it is a live ball just as it was called yesterday and every other time I've seen this specific situation occur (which I've seen multiple times since PSU-duhO$U game). Every time I've seen it, it's been a live ball except the PSU-duhO$U game.
You are full of crap. I've seen your act play out in other threads. Please don't respond to me.
The TV network had the angle, the refs did not. Whatever, whine on.LOL..complete BS. The camera showed it several times. And if the refs said that they did not have access to such cameras, that is BS as well. Reminds me of when tOSU "intercepted" a pass against PSU that clearly hit the turf and the refs stated that the cameras were temporarily unavailable at the time.
LOL....what a joke.
"Please don't respond to me.". LMFAO, I'll respond to whoever I damn well please. Talk about being full of crap... lol.
Complete bullshit as the networks pointed out subsequently refuting the b1g liars claims - the networks provide all of their camera feeds to the replay booth.
well, i guess you have good "sources" but have no idea how college replay works.
I can only relay what I was told. I am not an official. That was a number of years ago, things probably have changed. The idea that the officials deliberately blew the call is absurd. Do you know what would happen if that got out? If anything the B1G would want teams to beat OSU. 1 team dominating a conference year after year is not in the best interest of the conference. UM winning the B1G this year and going to the playoffs is actually good for the conference.
I think it is pretty clear that the B1G bends over backward to retain, promote and glorify the Michigan vs Ohio State game every year. This includes maintaining hopelessly lopsided conferences, screwing up every other team's schedule so that tOSU/UM is the last game of the season, and strategically locating bye weeks. They've repeatedly underdisciplined tOSU in countless scandals while penalizing Penn State football team for a scandal that wasn't even theirs. Many, if not the majority, of B1G officials, are from Ohio or Michigan (including their bosses). We've had season after season of horrible calls against PSU against both Um and tOSU that are beyond human error.
A number of things:I think it is pretty clear that the B1G bends over backward to retain, promote and glorify the Michigan vs Ohio State game every year. This includes maintaining hopelessly lopsided conferences, screwing up every other team's schedule so that tOSU/UM is the last game of the season, and strategically locating bye weeks. They've repeatedly underdisciplined tOSU in countless scandals while penalizing Penn State football team for a scandal that wasn't even theirs. Many, if not the majority, of B1G officials, are from Ohio or Michigan (including their bosses). We've had season after season of horrible calls against PSU against both Um and tOSU that are beyond human error.
1. OSU-UM has always been the last game of the regular season. It was long before PSU came into the conference. I am sure there are other traditional last games like Wisky vs. Minny etc.
2. Yes, the conferences are lopsided in football. They probably aren't in many other sports. That was probably done to reduce travel costs.
3. OSU has not had "countless scandals". Some problems yes and they were dealt with. The last one with Urban Meyer wasn't a scandal, it was BS.
4. The idea that refs throw games is absurd. It was destroy the conference if that ever got out.
The claim by the supposed phuckNut "rules expert" after the play that there has to be a clean exchange or it's a "snap infraction" not a live ball (i.e., if Center loses control of ball before exchange with QB, it's a dead-ball and "Illegal Snap" infraction is called) is complete horseshit and is not what the "Snap Infraction" Rule says - according to this interpretation the "fumlerooskie" play is an illegal play..... any play where the center loses control while snapping ball in shotgun is an illegal snap, etc.... and this is not how any of these situations have been called and I've seen these situations result in live plays many times - multiple times since the PSU-duhO$U game including in yesterday's Eagles-Giants game.
What laughable bullshit! Did you watch the 2014 PSU-duhO$U game??? Every media outlet in the country said the officiating in that game was corrupt and game-altering.
If "every media outlet" in the country said the officiating was corrupt there would have been an investigation because it really challenges the integrity of the conference. Was there an investigation? What was the result?
1. Um and tOSU used to not let black players play. Sometimes, things should change.
2. Travel costs? Seriously? LOL. Maybe when they used Conestoga wagons.
3. Based on Urban's recent questionable activity, I don't think covering up a coaches wife-beating was "BS"
4. I didn't say "threw" but I can certainly see if the boss is selecting refs for the Bowl games versus the Rutgers/Purdue game the refs know how to please (and do).
The result was the b1g Conference making an Official announcement that all 3 of the calls pointed out by the media were patently incorrect in duhO$U's favor and issued a bunch of laughably lame bullshit rationalizations as to why they weren't reviewed and corrected.
1. We are talking football tradition, not past racist practices.
2. What do you think it would cost to get a baseball team from Rutgers to Minny? Not to mention time away from classes.
3. Meyer's recent activity was not while employed by OSU. The "wife-beating" assistant coach was never arrested nor charged. Had he been that would have been different. Are head coaches supposed to supervise the marriages of assistants? There is a can of worms.
4. If refs are seeking to please anyone they are influencing the outcome of the game. Unless by "please" you mean calling a professional, unbiased game.
1. I would suggest you try to keep up with change. The old "big two little eight" has hurt the B1G and paid the price in being under represented in the playoffs. Why? Because the kids see the prejudice shown to the "Big Two" and don't go to the "Little Eight".
2. The cost is almost nothing because it wouldn't be "Rutgers to Minny" but more likely Rutgers to Indy and Minny to Ann Arbor. Once you least the plane and suffer the fixed costs of taking off and landing, the time in the air at 35,000 feet is next to nothing.
3. The wife called Urban and Urban's wife and asked for help. They refused. Conviction or not, those are the facts because they were on mobile phones (but Urban's got "wiped" mysteriously). And, BTW, the AD was in on it.
4. They ARE influencing the games and that is the point. You have been given dozens of examples of egregious missed and mistakenly made calls that almost always go the way of either UM or tOSU...and it isn't just PSU complaining about it.
This is comical. The Hartsock "catch" was obviously not a catch to anyone who was watching the game at the time, whether on TV or in the stadium. The only people who considered it a catch were the officials, one of whom was caught on the video (and there used to be a still screen cap available on the internet) standing mere yards behind the play, staring directly at the ball as it bounced from at least two feet above the ground and then back up into Hartsock's hands. He did not need replay, he just needed to not be corrupt.
1. There is this thing called "tradition". The B1G is not the NFL. Many B1G schools have it. PSU less so because it joined the conference relatively late. OSU is successful because it recruits nationally. A kid in California probably cares little of OSU vs. UM.1. I would suggest you try to keep up with change. The old "big two little eight" has hurt the B1G and paid the price in being under represented in the playoffs. Why? Because the kids see the prejudice shown to the "Big Two" and don't go to the "Little Eight".
2. The cost is almost nothing because it wouldn't be "Rutgers to Minny" but more likely Rutgers to Indy and Minny to Ann Arbor. Once you least the plane and suffer the fixed costs of taking off and landing, the time in the air at 35,000 feet is next to nothing.
3. The wife called Urban and Urban's wife and asked for help. They refused. Conviction or not, those are the facts because they were on mobile phones (but Urban's got "wiped" mysteriously). And, BTW, the AD was in on it.
4. They ARE influencing the games and that is the point. You have been given dozens of examples of egregious missed and mistakenly made calls that almost always go the way of either UM or tOSU...and it isn't just PSU complaining about it.
2. So Rutgers never plays Minny? There is a cost in fuel, time and lease price.
3. Not sure of that. Traditionally, employers do not intervene into the marriages of employees. That is the turf of the police, lawyers, marriage counselors etc.
4. Are they INTENTIONALLY influencing the game? If they are then they are attempting to fix it. I don't think college games are fixed.
