Anyone else see rolled snap from shotgun formations in Eagles-Giants game?

[Obliviax]

1. There is this thing called "tradition". The B1G is not the NFL. Many B1G schools have it. PSU less so because it joined the conference relatively late. OSU is successful because it recruits nationally. A kid in California probably cares little of OSU vs. UM.
2. So Rutgers never plays Minny? There is a cost in fuel, time and lease price.
3. Not sure of that. Traditionally, employers do not intervene into the marriages of employees. That is the turf of the police, lawyers, marriage counselors etc.
4. Are they INTENTIONALLY influencing the game? If they are then they are attempting to fix it. I don't think college games are fixed.

BS..."tradition" only works for those who benefit. What you call "tradition" is crap for the other 12 teams. And you know it.

Rutgets and Minny would be in different divisions. It is you that brought up travel, not me. The conferences can be alighted with one of the two, tOSU or UM in the west while one in the west (Indy or Purdue) moves to the east. Easy peasy.

I have no idea what you are saying.

I don't care if they are INTENTIONALLY or not intentionally influencing games. They are influencing games and almost always to the benefit of tOSU or UM.

 

[Nbergbuck]

BS..."tradition" only works for those who benefit. What you call "tradition" is crap for the other 12 teams. And you know it.

Rutgets and Minny would be in different divisions. It is you that brought up travel, not me. The conferences can be alighted with one of the two, tOSU or UM in the west while one in the west (Indy or Purdue) moves to the east. Easy peasy.

I have no idea what you are saying.

I don't care if they are INTENTIONALLY or not intentionally influencing games. They are influencing games and almost always to the benefit of tOSU or UM.

1. Tradition is a part of college football. There are many of them. OSU and UM are only 1 of them. PSU knew that coming into the B1G.
2. The question is how does it align with other sports. The B1G is a conference, not the NFL.
3. Employers do not normally manage the marriages of employees. Meyer - employer, Assistants - employees.
4. Well, if it is unintentional then it is going to simply be a product of athletic competition.

 

[Obliviax]

1. Tradition is a part of college football. There are many of them. OSU and UM are only 1 of them. PSU knew that coming into the B1G.
2. The question is how does it align with other sports. The B1G is a conference, not the NFL.
3. Employers do not normally manage the marriages of employees. Meyer - employer, Assistants - employees.
4. Well, if it is unintentional then it is going to simply be a product of athletic competition.

1. yep. let them play once a year without screwing everyone else, and the conference up. What a novel idea!

2. Nope. your premise is incorrect. Moving UM or tOSU to the west would do next to nothing to disrupt travel. The fencing team can travel. The diving team can travel. the gold team can travel. Yet, football is too fragile? Doesn't make any sense. Most of the travel is by plane anyway.

3. Sorry, doesn't pass the smell test. the B1G blamed Joe for a former employee in the shower with a kid while joe did EXACTLY as the NCAA and B1G then and today says to do. Your explanation, again, doesn't hold up in the light of day.

4. No unintentional is NOT a product of competition. The refs aren't competing. Such a stupid statement. I try not to take personal shots but you comment makes zero sense and you know it.

 

[MacNit07]

Actually, I know one of the refs from the "bounce pass" game. I asked him why it wasn't overturned because the ball did hit the ground. He said that at the time refs did not have a camera angle that would have clearly showed it, so it was not overturned. They do now. The idea that the B1G is out to get PSU is absurd. Did you watch the Browns Packers game? I still don't believe the NFL is out to get the Browns. Reffing is a part of the game like the strike zone in baseball or fouls in basketball.

It’s not absurd.

For Christ’s sakes, the rules of College Football were changed because of the BS - replay was added.

And the Big10 refs literally told our players “..we’re lucky to be playing football”

Was O$U sanctioned for sexual abuse in your campus - 100x worse than anything PSU was accused? Did the refs tell O$U players they are luck to be playing football? Oh yea - nothing at all was done to O$U!

 

[Nbergbuck]

1. yep. let them play once a year without screwing everyone else, and the conference up. What a novel idea!

2. Nope. your premise is incorrect. Moving UM or tOSU to the west would do next to nothing to disrupt travel. The fencing team can travel. The diving team can travel. the gold team can travel. Yet, football is too fragile? Doesn't make any sense. Most of the travel is by plane anyway.

3. Sorry, doesn't pass the smell test. the B1G blamed Joe for a former employee in the shower with a kid while joe did EXACTLY as the NCAA and B1G then and today says to do. Your explanation, again, doesn't hold up in the light of day.

4. No unintentional is NOT a product of competition. The refs aren't competing. Such a stupid statement. I try not to take personal shots but you comment makes zero sense and you know it.

1. How does that screw the conference?
2. I am also talking about competitive balance in the other sports. The B1G is more than just football.
3. The topic was Meyer, not Joe. Not sure its Meyer's job to intervene in marriages other than his own. Especially when no criminal act is even alleged.
4. Then get better refs if you can find them. Theoretically the best are doing NFL games. Did you watch the Browns Packers? Maybe some of the best are doing B1G games.

 

[87 Penn St8]

Actually, I know one of the refs from the "bounce pass" game. I asked him why it wasn't overturned because the ball did hit the ground. He said that at the time refs did not have a camera angle that would have clearly showed it, so it was not overturned. They do now. The idea that the B1G is out to get PSU is absurd. Did you watch the Browns Packers game? I still don't believe the NFL is out to get the Browns. Reffing is a part of the game like the strike zone in baseball or fouls in basketball.

Good scoop re Hartsock. Our high school lost a game a few years ago when a receiver caught a ball on a more clear bounce...almost non chalantly...and the ref signaled td. Nobody was more surprised than the kid...and despite it being obvious to most...it counted.
I am not one who believes Big is out to get us, however when we were on top it seemed like we always got the breaks. As a team that competes up vs OSU it gets frustrating when our slim margins for error are eroded by human mistakes.
The time expired fg and "interception" made a big difference in a very tight game. The "fumble" this year would've helped us make it a better game...and while there was a poster who pull out some archane rule to rationalize...nobody here has seen that same call made...often the reverse.
We had our McCloskey catch and I was in West Lafayette when Bobby Engram was given credit for a td bomb which likely would not count today.
For all of the advancements it still is a source of controversy

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Good scoop re Hartsock. Our high school lost a game a few years ago when a receiver caught a ball on a more clear bounce...almost non chalantly...and the ref signaled td. Nobody was more surprised than the kid...and despite it being obvious to most...it counted.
I am not one who believes Big is out to get us, however when we were on top it seemed like we always got the breaks. As a team that competes up vs OSU it gets frustrating when our slim margins for error are eroded by human mistakes.
The time expired fg and "interception" made a big difference in a very tight game. The "fumble" this year would've helped us make it a better game...and while there was a poster who pull out some archane rule to rationalize...nobody here has seen that same call made...often the reverse.
We had our McCloskey catch and I was in West Lafayette when Bobby Engram was given credit for a td bomb which likely would not count today.
For all of the advancements it still is a source of controversy

The claimed "rule interpretation" was complete bullshit. It does not say that there has to be a clean exchange from Center to QB as poster claimed. Essentially, the rule merely makes it an "illegal procedure/motion" penalty on Center to move the ball and not continue with the backwards snapping of the ball (for instance what happened in the latter play in the Eagles-Giants Game that was called a dead-ball Snap Infraction - the Center started to move ball back, but ball got stuck in a divot so Center pulled it back forward returning it to where it was prior to then initiating a complete snap.). If the rule read the way the supposed duhO$U expert claimed, the "FumbleRooskie" would be an illegal play and it most certainly is not an illegal play. The Center merely needs to snap the ball backwards in a continuous motion for it to be a live ball - does not even have to snap it to QB... he can snap it onto ground behind QB which is what is done on many forms of the "FumbleRooski" play including the famous one in the Miami-UNL Orange Bowl Game that resulted in a Nebraska TD (the pulling UNL guard picked up the intentional fumble off ground and ran it in untouched for a TD as Miami players chased QB). In any event, the Center losing control of ball while snapping it resulting in ball rolling on ground behind LOS is not a "Snap Infraction", it's a live ball as anyone who has seen the "FumbleRooskie" play executed can attest.