Article on the chaos at the student's gate entering during the OSU game...

[bwifan]

Yeesh....

http://onwardstate.com/2016/10/26/s...-without-swiping-ids-due-to-mayhem-at-gate-a/

Note some of the comments are interesting to read as well...

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Yuh. Just poorly run and, as it turns out, not very secure.

Also, dangerous...as recognized by security itself.

However, I was soundly mocked and castigated for my irritation about this cluster right here on this page just before the game began. Others were as well.

SMH.

Poodles.

 

[Obliviax]

similar to Hillsborough....glad it turned out better.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Yeesh....

http://onwardstate.com/2016/10/26/s...-without-swiping-ids-due-to-mayhem-at-gate-a/

Note some of the comments are interesting to read as well...

Yep, this is exactly what I posted before in the thread where the OP tried to claim the Student Section was not full..... This is simply not true, the entire stadium was FULL, but it took until midway through the 1st Quarter in the Student Section because of The University's "Increased Security Measures" at the gates. The older crowd (i.e., non-students) have adjusted to The University's measures and go to the gates earlier (for instance, I was with a party of 5 people - we went to the gates @7pm because we knew it was going to take forever to clear "Entrance Gate" and get to our seats). It is not REASONABLE to expect students to head to the Gates an hour before the game (and abandon their socializing at tailgates) imho -- this is especially true for lesser games. Anyone who thinks it is was never a student at PSU and was busy socializing at one of the best damn parties you had ever been to.....(i.e., abandoning the hot "co-ed(s)" you are rapping with at the tailgate...and vice versa for the ladies. All students are going to cut it as close as possible and maximize their socializing - in this circumstance, it wouldn't have mattered if everybody headed for the gate a half-hour early (which most students would feel is more than enough) because they were all heading for the gate at the SAME TIME, which is what caused the bedlum at the gate well before actual scheduled kickoff time! The University needs to make it simpler for the students to get in - on top of the increased security measures, they also inspect student IDs for the party carrying the ticket (they did this when I was there and it is time consuming especially when they subjectively claim a student doesn't match the picture....it really holds up the line with no way to prove one way or the other - for instance a girl can just claim she died her hair since the student ID picture was taken, etc....).

In any event, the Stadium was filled on Saturday, contrary to what some have claimed - it filled up in the Student Sections (always last to fill for reasons state in article) about halfway through 1st Qtr. Stadium then lost a minor percentage of its fans (I'd say maybe 5%) after the 1st half and then 3rd Qtr, but even then the stadium was at least 95% full for the 4th Qtr as many came streaming back in after they heard the roars of the crowd due to PSU's possession right at beginning of 4th Qtr (Saquon Barkley broke of a big run to start that drive and on the next play Saeed Blacknall hauled in a 40 yard pass at the daO$U 3 yard line).....IOW, some of the people who began to leave at start of 4th Qtr came rushing back in when they heard the huge roars of the crowd before they had made it to the gate!

 

[Lions8286]

Scroll back to the student section complaint thread on Oct. 11 after the MD game. Here below was my experience that day. It's like the Keystone Cops are running the show. It's a damn shame that they cannot control this. Somebody will get hurt and we'll get to read about our culture in the news again.

Admittedly have not read every post in the thread, but I can relate my experience from Saturday. I went to the game by myself and decided to wander around the ground level to stay out of the misty rain for as long as possible. I stopped at the tunnel for a few minutes as the players and band passed through. They kept the gates closed for more than 25 minutes, not allowing the students to pass from the student gate through to the west side of the stadium. I imagine (because I couldn't see that far) that they were backed up all the way to the gate, approximately 1/4 the entire circumference of the stadium. The students were beginning to get rowdy and nobody seemed to care. Nobody appeared to have control. They finally opened it about 2 plays prior to the first score. I had to jump out of the way so as to not be trampled. I got to my seat about 5 minutes into the first quarter.

So, I arrived at the tunnel (inside the stadium) 25 minutes before kickoff and got to my seat 5 minutes into the game. Granted, I could have fought the crowd and gone back to the east, but by the time I realized what was happening, it wasn't worth the hassle.

 

[AldenT]

For what it's worth, this article could have been dated 1996, 1986, 1976 or 1966. The student section is the student section is the student section.

As a former stadium employee, I can tell you, it was a mucked up mess when I worked there 30-40 years ago.

Not aimed at you, but this is total horseshit then. We are a multi-billion dollar enterprise and this was our showcase event. There is no reason for this to occur so regularly.

I'm sure Sandy is all over it.

 

[Obliviax]

Not aimed at you, but this is total horseshit then. We are a multi-billion dollar enterprise and this was our showcase event. There is no reason for this to occur so regularly.

I'm sure Sandy is all over it.

Right...any decent outfit would have you use your student ID to get a bar code on your mobile phone....you supply that with your ID and you are good to go. Would be much faster than what has been done in the recent past.

 

[Limestone_Lion]

Gates opened at 6, i was in my seat by 6:20. I wanted in to find my seat, and to see the stadium fill up, i planned correctly and was right on time. but i did witness at least 10 people being turned around because they thought they could bring a small purse or bag (not clear) and it slowed up the short line drastically. and there was basically no line at all. took me all of 5 minutes to get to the gate and through everything.

 

[Erial_Lion]

As I see it, the issue is that the "wanding" is the bottleneck (and it's probably true at all gates, not just the student gate). They've got to find a way to get more wands available than they have today (which means getting more wands than "turnstiles"). Even if it's something like fencing it all in, wanding people further out from the gates, and then allowing them into the fenced in area once they've been wanded. Then, you can have twice as many wands as ticket scanners/turnstiles.

Downside of course is that you need to hire twice as many people to do the wanding, and purchase twice as many wands. But that might be a price that PSU has to pay if they want to get people into the stadium more quickly and try to avoid a major incident at the gates.

 

[valleyforgebob]

I got to the stadium a bit later than normal but still arrived at Gate B at 7:10. It took fifty minutes to navigate the mess to get in. During that time a drunk in his late twenties jostled everyone around him and wanted to start a fight with me and others for no reason. Although tempted, I thought better and proceeded to get to the game.
A faster, more efficient way of checking everyone entering is needed.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

As I see it, the issue is that the "wanding" is the bottleneck (and it's probably true at all gates, not just the student gate). They've got to find a way to get more wands available than they have today (which means getting more wands than "turnstiles"). Even if it's something like fencing it all in, wanding people further out from the gates, and then allowing them into the fenced in area once they've been wanded. Then, you can have twice as many wands as ticket scanners/turnstiles.

Downside of course is that you need to hire twice as many people to do the wanding, and purchase twice as many wands. But that might be a price that PSU has to pay if they want to get people into the stadium more quickly and try to avoid a major incident at the gates.

Why not just install metal detectors at gates and allow people to put change, belts, watches in a container that is immediately given back to them on the other side.... The gate could also be equipped with bar code scanner for their ticket.

 

[bjf1991]

Going to damn near every home game for the last 40 years ....... Although in the last few years I have begun to NOT go to every game, and am finding it increasingly desireable to NOT go (about 10 of those years with student tickets - through several permutations....the single card for the entire season, separate tickets, the more "modern" system, etc - and through the "general public" seating for the remainder of that time)

While there were issues and oddities from time to time with any of the prior systems:

Since the stadium operations stuff was contracted out (to a group that seemingly scavenges skid row, homeless shelters, and asylums for their "day laborers")
AND
The current "leadership" of PSU ICA came into power - - -
EVERY aspect of stadium/game day operations has been a screaming abortion of ineptitude (from simple shit like parking, stadium entry, in-venue issues etc.......and NOT just for football - though that's what most people see)

It is what it is - - - A Brave New World

 

[Erial_Lion]

Why not just install metal detectors at gates and allow people to put change, belts, watches in a container that is immediately given back to them on the other side.... The gate could also be equipped with bar code scanner for their ticket.

My guess would be $$$. No idea what a walk-thru metal detector costs, but I'm guessing that it's not cheap. Multiply that by the ~80-100 that they'd need, and you probably have your answer.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

My guess would be $$$. No idea what a walk-thru metal detector costs, but I'm guessing that it's not cheap. Multiply that by the ~80-100 that they'd need, and you probably have your answer.

Yes, but they would eliminate a lot of human labor (i.e., wanders, etc....) - in addition, not sure what the useful life is on one of those "stations", but would assume it's upwards of 10 years....therefore the true cost per event should be amortized over the useful life and compared to the cost of "human capital" per game that it allows you to eliminate (which would be substantial imho as one person could probably serve two stations by being in the middle of them).

 

[Erial_Lion]

Yes, but they would eliminate a lot of human labor (i.e., wanders, etc....) - in addition, not sure what the useful life is on one of those "stations", but would assume it's upwards of 10 years....therefore the true cost per event should be amortized over the useful life and compared to the cost of "human capital" per game that it allows you to eliminate (which would be substantial imho as one person could probably serve two stations by being in the middle of them).

You'd still need someone staffing every metal detector (much as you'd have someone having to "staff" every wand). If you're having one people staff two of them, you're just slowing things down again. Think of the airport, you've got even more staffing when you take into account someone also telling you to put things into the bins, sliding them down, etc. I don't see how it would save staff in the end.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

My guess would be $$$. No idea what a walk-thru metal detector costs, but I'm guessing that it's not cheap. Multiply that by the ~80-100 that they'd need, and you probably have your answer.

Yes, but they would eliminate a lot of human labor (i.e., wanders, etc....) - in addition, not sure what the useful life is on one of those "stations", but would assume it's upwards of 10 years....therefore the true cost per event should be amortized over the useful life and compared to the cost of "human capital" per game that it allows you to eliminate (which would be substantial imho as one person could probably serve two stations by being in the middle of them).

Maybe this is part of Sandy Baby's "Renovation & Modernization Plan".....would make sense as the "Gates" at the stadium are antiquated in how they function especially if they are going to start hosting other functions at the stadium such as large concerts, which they just announced they are going to do starting this coming summer.....

 

[bison13]

Go back to the Fresh/Soph, JR and SR sections and separate entrances.

 

[BobPSU92]

What about the chaos getting out of the stadium?