B1G Team Scoring Last 7 Years

[Tom McAndrew]

I was curious about team scoring in recent years, so I ended up looking up PSU's scoring, and the top 3 teams' scores, for the past 7 years at the B1G Tournament. (I picked the 7 years based on the years CS has been the PSU coach.)


2016
PSU - 150.5
Iowa – 127
Ohio St. – 126

2015
Iowa – 120
Ohio St. – 120
Minny – 108
Mich – 101.5
PSU – 96.5

2014
PSU – 140.5
Iowa – 135
Minny – 118.5

2013
PSU – 151
Minny – 139
Iowa – 133.5

2012
PSU – 149
Minny – 134
Iowa – 126

2011
PSU – 139
Iowa – 138
Minny – 109.5

2010
Iowa – 156.5
Minny – 118.5
Wisky – 109
Ohio St. - 102.6
PSU - 91

 

[nitlion6]

If they aren't getting anything at 125 I can see this year being as close as 2011 with Ohio State being the other team.

 

[LutherAce]

If everyone wrestles to seeds, with no bonus points: (Brackets with drawn in wrestlers account for .5 a point in some brackets, not included here)
PSU 137.5*
OSU 109.5
IOWA 108
NEB 87.5
MINN 79.5
ILL 73.5
WIS 61.5
MICH 52.5
RUT 51.5
IND 31.5
MD 25
PUR 14.5
MSU 10
NU 8

* - This includes Suriano wrestling to #2. If he MFF out in Round 1, then the total drops 15 points to 122.5 and raises NEB to 90

 

[Tom McAndrew]

If they aren't getting anything at 125 I can see this year being as close as 2011 with Ohio State being the other team.

hmm, let's look closer at 2011 with regards to PSU

125 - Pataky came in 7th. He went 3-2, but got TFs in his 3 victories

133 - Long took 1st. He went 4-0, but only had bonus points in his 1 TF

141 - A. Alton took 5th. He went 2-2, and only bonused in 1 match, a TF

149 - Tank took 1st. He went 3-0, and his only bonus was a major in the quarters

157 - DT took 1st, going 3-0. He had a major and a TF in his 3 victories

165 - Vollrath took 7th, going 2-2. He had a bonus in 1 match -- a pin

174 - Ruth took 1st, going 3-0. He had a major in the only match in which he bonused.

184 - Q took 1st, going 4-0. He had a major in the only match in which he bonused

197 - Ruggear did not place, going 0-2

285 - Wade took 5th, going 2-2. He had a major in the only match in which he bonused

1st place - 5
2nd place - 0
3rd place - 0
4th place - 0
5th place - 2
6th place - 0
7th place - 2
DNP - 1

Bonuses:

Pin - 1
TF - 6
Major - 4

Upsets always happen, but I'm pretty confident PSU will get 5 guys into the finals. How many of them will win there remains to be seen. I'll be surprised if PSU has only 1 pin over the course of the tournament.

Suriano's uncertain status does make the outcome somewhat more unpredictable.

 

[nitlion6]

hmm, let's look closer at 2011 with regards to PSU

125 - Pataky came in 7th. He went 3-2, but got TFs in his 3 victories

133 - Long took 1st. He went 4-0, but only had bonus points in his 1 TF

141 - A. Alton took 5th. He went 2-2, and only bonused in 1 match, a TF

149 - Tank took 1st. He went 3-0, and his only bonus was a major in the quarters

157 - DT took 1st, going 3-0. He had a major and a TF in his 3 victories

165 - Vollrath took 7th, going 2-2. He had a bonus in 1 match -- a pin

174 - Ruth took 1st, going 3-0. He had a major in the only match in which he bonused.

184 - Q took 1st, going 4-0. He had a major in the only match in which he bonused

197 - Ruggear did not place, going 0-2

285 - Wade took 5th, going 2-2. He had a major in the only match in which he bonused

1st place - 5
2nd place - 0
3rd place - 0
4th place - 0
5th place - 2
6th place - 0
7th place - 2
DNP - 1

Bonuses:

Pin - 1
TF - 6
Major - 4

Upsets always happen, but I'm pretty confident PSU will get 5 guys into the finals. How many of them will win there remains to be seen. I'll be surprised if PSU has only 1 pin over the course of the tournament.

Suriano's uncertain status does make the outcome somewhat more unpredictable.

Not sure I follow the point of the post. I certainly wasn't implying that 2017 would play out in a manner similar to 2011 if viewed in the micro.

I was simply pointing out that if Nick is scoring zero points at 125 that brings the field closer and Ohio State could finish exceptionly close. Possibly as close as Iowa did in the 2011 tournament.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Not sure I follow the point of the post. I certainly wasn't implying that 2017 would play out in a manner similar to 2011 if viewed in the micro.

I'm a history nut. Your post indicated that with Suriano's uncertainty this year's B1G team race could be as close as the 2011 race. So, I decided to take a look at what happened to PSU in 2011.

It's not a straight apples to apples comparison, as

1) PSU's team has different members
2) the other team's in the B1G have different members
3) the B1G has expanded, so more teams, and thus more competitors, are in the tournament

That said, I think some value analysis can be drawn.

Placement -- PSU is likely to get 5 guys as 1st or 2nd, so the placement points with the top guys are likely to be about the same. Of the guys that don't make it to the finals, I suspect that one or more of them will finish higher than 5th, so that's more placement points (and also possibly more bouts, though that's harder to predict). In 2011 you had 2 guys finish 7th, and 1 DNP. IMHO, Law and Suriano are the only ones that have a chance to finish that low, so that would be more placement points.

Bonus -- While the high number of PSUers with byes does give fewer opportunities for bonus points, I still think PSU will do better than 1 pin -- likely an increase of several. That may come at the expense of TFs, but that's a plus for PSU, in terms of points.

I was simply pointing out that if Nick is scoring zero points at 125 that brings the field closer and Ohio State could finish exceptionly close. Possibly as close as Iowa did in the 2011 tournament.

I concur that IF Nick scores zero points, that it does bring PSU closer to the rest of the field. As close as Iowa in 2011? That seems to be a stretch. See @LutherAce's post in this thread.

 

[nitlion6]

I'm a history nut. Your post indicated that with Suriano's uncertainty this year's B1G team race could be as close as the 2011 race. So, I decided to take a look at what happened to PSU in 2011.

It's not a straight apples to apples comparison, as

1) PSU's team has different members
2) the other team's in the B1G have different members
3) the B1G has expanded, so more teams, and thus more competitors, are in the tournament

That said, I think some value analysis can be drawn.

Placement -- PSU is likely to get 5 guys as 1st or 2nd, so the placement points with the top guys are likely to be about the same. Of the guys that don't make it to the finals, I suspect that one or more of them will finish higher than 5th, so that's more placement points (and also possibly more bouts, though that's harder to predict). In 2011 you had 2 guys finish 7th, and 1 DNP. IMHO, Law and Suriano are the only ones that have a chance to finish that low, so that would be more placement points.

Bonus -- While the high number of PSUers with byes does give fewer opportunities for bonus points, I still think PSU will do better than 1 pin -- likely an increase of several. That may come at the expense of TFs, but that's a plus for PSU, in terms of points.



I concur that IF Nick scores zero points, that it does bring PSU closer to the rest of the field. As close as Iowa in 2011? That seems to be a stretch. See @LutherAce's post in this thread.

Yeah I saw the post.

 

[diggerpup]

PSU will still break 140 even if Suriano forfeits out.

Zain, Bo & Nolf alone will score about 70 or more.

How do placement points go again?

1st - 16
2nd - 12
3rd - 10
4th - 9
5th - 7
6th - 6
7th - 4
8th - 3

Let me take a stab assuming Suriano scores zero:

Suriano - 0
T. Law - 0.5
Gulibon - 13 (3rd)
Zain - 25 (1st w 3 WBF)
Nolf - 24 (1st w 2 WBF & MD)
Joseph - 14 (3rd w/ MD)
Hall - 17 (2nd worst case, 2 MDs)
Bo - 22 (1st, 1 WBF, 1 MD)
Cutch - 12 (4th)
Nevills - 15 (3rd worst case, 1 WBF)

I skipped some half points to make it easier to count in my head.

That's 142 for PSU. And I was conservative w/ Jimmy, Hall & Nevills.

 

[diggerpup]

Bump

I did a lot of work on the post above.

Didn't take me 2 hrs for the analysis but I had to do math in my head. Lol.

 

[royboy]

hmm, let's look closer at 2011 with regards to PSU

184 - Q took 1st, going 4-0. He had a major in the only match in which he bonused

Tom, I know you're detailing the scoring in that tournament, but Quentin's performance in 2011 was amazing. He came in as the #8 seed after an injury-plagued regular season and won the weight class, followed by an even more amazing championship run as the #9 seed in Philadelphia for the NCAA championship. Truly highlighted PSU conference and national championships. Gotta rank up there with the biggest thrills many of us have seen in following PSU wresting.

 

[diggerpup]

Tom, I know you're detailing the scoring in that tournament, but Quentin's performance in 2011 was amazing. He came in as the #8 seed after an injury-plagued regular season and won the weight class, followed by an even more amazing championship run as the #9 seed in Philadelphia for the NCAA championship. Truly highlighted PSU conference and national championships. Gotta rank up there with the biggest thrills many of us have seen in following PSU wresting.

Quentin Wright's pin of Grant Gramball in the NCAA semis - from a standing headlock + trip from neutral - off all crazy things ....

THAT was the exact moment that announced the PSU dynasty.

Cael knew.

He knelt to slap the mat & then jumped 3 feet into the air.

College wrestling has never been the same.

 

[royboy]

Quentin Wright's pin of Grant Gramball in the NCAA semis - from a standing headlock + trip from neutral - off all crazy things ....

THAT was the exact moment that announced the PSU dynasty.

Cael knew.

He knelt to slap the mat & then jumped 3 feet into the air.

College wrestling has never been the same.

Amen. I was fortunate enough to be in the stands for that one. One of the most electric moments I've seen in person.
(...and I was in the Spectrum in March of 1992 when Christian Laettner hit his shot in OT to beat Kentucky)

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Quentin Wright's pin of Grant Gramball in the NCAA semis - from a standing headlock + trip from neutral - off all crazy things ....

THAT was the exact moment that announced the PSU dynasty.

Cael knew.

He knelt to slap the mat & then jumped 3 feet into the air.

College wrestling has never been the same.

An electric moment and a huge win in the team title race, for sure, but the dynasty reference seems a rather generous embellishment. I'd wager that Sanderson wasn't thinking long term at that instant, he was just really stoked about the pin and was caught up in the moment, like most everyone else.