Bad news. Alcohol is a direct cause of 7 types of cancer.

[KnightSlayer]

Alcohol causes seven forms of cancer, and people consuming even low to moderate amounts are at risk, according to new analysis.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/22/alcohol-direct-cause-seven-forms-of-cancer-study

Combine this with the debilitating impairment of alcohol that causes 1000s of deaths per year and is there anyone who can make a legitimate argument why pot is still illegal while alcohol is legal?

Why are people still losing their jobs, Le'Veon Bell, and going to jail for something that causes so little harm? Why is it still listed as a schedule 1 narcotic with the likes of heroin, cocaine and LSD?

 

[psu1969a]

We tried prohibition; it failed. MaryJane is still illegal; don't use it or risk the consequences.

 

[JBDLion]

And in next week's study, it will cure 7 types of cancer.

 

[Lionguy32]

Alcohol causes seven forms of cancer, and people consuming even low to moderate amounts are at risk, according to new analysis.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/22/alcohol-direct-cause-seven-forms-of-cancer-study

Combine this with the debilitating impairment of alcohol that causes 1000s of deaths per year and is there anyone who can make a legitimate argument why pot is still illegal while alcohol is legal?

Why are people still losing their jobs, Le'Veon Bell, and going to jail for something that causes so little harm? Why is it still listed as a schedule 1 narcotic with the likes of heroin, cocaine and LSD?

It will be legal everywhere eventually. It's just a question of how long it's going to take.

 

[kgilbert78]

It will be legal everywhere eventually. It's just a question of how long it's going to take.

And I'm not looking forward to that. Main reason? The effects of pot last far longer than those of alcohol. The possibility of more impaired drivers on the roads is not a happy thought IMHO.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

And I'm not looking forward to that. Main reason? The effects of pot last far longer than those of alcohol. The possibility of more impaired drivers on the roads is not a happy thought IMHO.

Don't recall seeing many (or any) stories about traffic accidents that were caused by somebody being high on weed.

Have you seen such stories?

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Why post this here? I'm pretty sure nobody on this board has had even a drop of the devil's juice....Ever!!!

 

[KnightSlayer]

It will be legal everywhere eventually. It's just a question of how long it's going to take.

Agreed. California will legalize it this fall. Once the state with the 8th largest economy in the world legalizes it, the other dominoes will start to fall. I just get annoyed with organizations like the NFL with their hardline attitude towards pot but, they have team doctors giving out opioids like candy.

 

[JoeLion]

Al Cohol? I thought he was a LB recruit!

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Agreed. California will legalize it this fall. Once the state with the 8th largest economy in the world legalizes it, the other dominoes will start to fall. I just get annoyed with organizations like the NFL with their hardline attitude towards pot but, they have team doctors giving out opioids like candy.

Honestly, think of the windfall the state governments will create for themselves once they tax the shit out of MJ. Win-win as far as I'm concerned.

 

[kgilbert78]

Don't recall seeing many (or any) stories about traffic accidents that were caused by somebody being high on weed.

Have you see such stories?

Here's one.

Link

And if you don't like the Washington Times, how about CNN?

Link

Took only a few seconds on Google to find.

 

[BBrown]

Don't recall seeing many (or any) stories about traffic accidents that were caused by somebody being high on weed.

Have you see such stories?

Yea I understand the concern but I'd like to see those reports from Colorado, Washington and Oregon.
Its been over a year for some of those states they should have pretty good and hard data.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

And I'm not looking forward to that. Main reason? The effects of pot last far longer than those of alcohol. The possibility of more impaired drivers on the roads is not a happy thought IMHO.

Is that taken from the film Reefer Madness filmed in the 40's? I heard the "pot" makes people go crazy too.

 

[BBrown]

Here's one.

Link

And if you don't like the Washington Times, how about CNN?

Link

Took only a few seconds on Google to find.

Thanks for the info. Its interesting but INMO incomplete. I want to see it compared to Alcohol or cell phone related accidents.

I thought this was a key point in the CNN article...

>>"All this report really shows is that more people in Washington State are likely consuming cannabis, and thus might have some THC in their systems at the time of an accident. But since having THC in your system tells us nothing about your potential impairment, it would be like a report showing how many people involved in accidents had drunk a beer in the last week," said Taylor West, deputy director of the group.<<

 

[fairgambit]

Don't recall seeing many (or any) stories about traffic accidents that were caused by somebody being high on weed.

Have you see such stories?

Yes. Type in "marijuana and fatal car accidents". The 1st article started this way.......

SEATTLE (CBS Seattle) – According to a recent study, fatal car crashes involving pot use have tripled in the U.S.

“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, and co-author of the study told HealtyDay News.


The 2nd article started:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (May 10, 2016) – Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana doubled in Washington after the state legalized the drug, according to the latest research by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. New research also shows that legal limits for marijuana and driving are arbitrary and unsupported by science, which could result in unsafe motorists going free and others being wrongfully convicted for impaired driving. Washington was one of the first two states to legalize the recreational use of marijuana, and these findings raise serious concerns about drug-impaired driving with at least 20 states considering marijuana legalization this year.

I have nothing against "weed", or drinking alcohol. Just don't use either and get behind the wheel of a vehicle.

 

[KnightSlayer]

And I'm not looking forward to that. Main reason? The effects of pot last far longer than those of alcohol. The possibility of more impaired drivers on the roads is not a happy thought IMHO.

Not to bust your balls but, you have no idea what you are talking about. Try to apply some critical thinking to one of the complaints about legal weed. Authorities say one of the reasons they don't want legal weed is that there is no way to test if someone driving a car is impaired by pot. Think about that. If there is no way to determine if someone is impaired, then it means they aren't impaired. You don't need a breathalyzer or blood test to tell if someone is drunk. Their motor skills and speech are visibly impaired.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/kind-study-finds-virtually-driving-impairment-influence-marijuana/

 

[fairgambit]

Not to bust your balls but, you have no idea what you are talking about. Try to apply some critical thinking to one of the complaints about legal weed. Authorities say one of the reasons they don't want legal weed is that there is no way to test if someone driving a car is impaired by pot. Think about that. If there is no way to determine if someone is impaired, then it means they aren't impaired. You don't need a breathalyzer or blood test to tell if someone is drunk. Their motor skills and speech are visibly impaired.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/kind-study-finds-virtually-driving-impairment-influence-marijuana/

That is not a logical conclusion. This is what the authorities are getting at.

"Researchers examined the lab results of drivers arrested for impaired driving, and the results suggest that legal limits for marijuana and driving are problematic because:

• There is no science showing that drivers reliably become impaired at a specific level of marijuana in the blood. Depending on the individual, drivers with relatively high levels of marijuana in their system might not be impaired, while others with low levels may be unsafe behind the wheel. This finding is very different from alcohol, where it is clear that crash risk increases significantly at higher BAC levels.
• High THC levels may drop below legal thresholds before a test is administered to a suspected impaired driver. The average time to collect blood from a suspected driver is often more than two hours because taking a blood sample typically requires a warrant and transport to a facility. Active THC blood levels may decline significantly and could drop below legal limits during that time.
• Marijuana can affect people differently, making it challenging to develop consistent and fair guidelines. For example, frequent users of marijuana can exhibit persistent levels of the drug long after use, while drug levels can decline more rapidly among occasional users."

 

[KnightSlayer]

That is not a logical conclusion. This is what the authorities are getting at.

"Researchers examined the lab results of drivers arrested for impaired driving, and the results suggest that legal limits for marijuana and driving are problematic because:

• There is no science showing that drivers reliably become impaired at a specific level of marijuana in the blood. Depending on the individual, drivers with relatively high levels of marijuana in their system might not be impaired, while others with low levels may be unsafe behind the wheel. This finding is very different from alcohol, where it is clear that crash risk increases significantly at higher BAC levels.
• High THC levels may drop below legal thresholds before a test is administered to a suspected impaired driver. The average time to collect blood from a suspected driver is often more than two hours because taking a blood sample typically requires a warrant and transport to a facility. Active THC blood levels may decline significantly and could drop below legal limits during that time.
• Marijuana can affect people differently, making it challenging to develop consistent and fair guidelines. For example, frequent users of marijuana can exhibit persistent levels of the drug long after use, while drug levels can decline more rapidly among occasional users."

That's kind of my point. We didn't need fancy breath and blood test to tell if someone was driving drunk. If I can stand at the side of the road on one foot while juggling 3 balls and reciting the alphabet, who cares if I was just smoking weed. You are either impaired or you're not.

If some inexperienced pot user gets pulled over by cops and they can't stop giggling and appear confused or uncoordinated, then they are impaired and deserve to be punished. The idea that you need some sort of standardized test is just wrong headed thinking.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I hate to break it to you but people are on the road high already...legal or not. Alcohol is illegal and people still drive impaired. The propaganda films the government put up 50-60+ years ago just don't scare people anymore when they can read articles that state the complete opposite. Making something legal does not mean people have to try or do something. This retired Captain kind of breaks down the stupidity of some of these antiquated laws. The internet has some real drawbacks, but it also at least lets people see into the BS put out by the government now and in years past.

 

[Victor E. Bell]

You die your way, I'll die mine.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Yes. Type in "marijuana and fatal car accidents". The 1st article started this way.......

SEATTLE (CBS Seattle) – According to a recent study, fatal car crashes involving pot use have tripled in the U.S.

“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia, and co-author of the study told HealtyDay News.


The 2nd article started:
WASHINGTON, D.C. (May 10, 2016) – Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana doubled in Washington after the state legalized the drug, according to the latest research by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. New research also shows that legal limits for marijuana and driving are arbitrary and unsupported by science, which could result in unsafe motorists going free and others being wrongfully convicted for impaired driving. Washington was one of the first two states to legalize the recreational use of marijuana, and these findings raise serious concerns about drug-impaired driving with at least 20 states considering marijuana legalization this year.

I have nothing against "weed", or drinking alcohol. Just don't use either and get behind the wheel of a vehicle.

See, I am not arguing about this. I don't believe that there is no chance of impairment. Everybody is different. And, the alarmists have the bully pulpit on the issue right now...trying to set up roadblocks and reverse progress already made on the issue. I am not going to fall for their propaganda without considering stuff like: what else did they test positive for? Alcohol? Nicotine? Caffeine? Aspirin? Rx medications? Texting? Getting a BJ or HJ? Carpool karaoke? Etc. Etc.

In all my years, I never heard of a friend, family member, or acquaintance being involved in a MVA as a result of being high on weed. I think we are dealing with fabrications, fantasies, etc. (Again, not saying it never happens. Am saying it is exceedingly rare when compared to alcohol. Simple, plain fact.)

And, besides, we find ourselves running from the cancer story in this thread.

 

[Agoodnap]

Minor point here...marijuana is illegal in the US...everywhere in the US. Some states have chosen to drop the State laws regarding its use, however the Federal government still considers it illegal and that trumps all. The Feds are just not enforcing the law.

 

[fairgambit]

That's kind of my point. We didn't need fancy breath and blood test to tell if someone was driving drunk. If I can stand at the side of the road on one foot while juggling 3 balls and reciting the alphabet, who cares if I was just smoking weed. You are either impaired or you're not.

If some inexperienced pot user gets pulled over by cops and they can't stop giggling and appear confused or uncoordinated, then they are impaired and deserve to be punished. The idea that you need some sort of standardized test is just wrong headed thinking.

You make the connection that long time users are more tolerant of the drug. That is not what the studies show. I could try pot for the 1st time and have a very high tolerance, or I could have used it thousands of times and have a low tolerance. As for a standardized test, when you are talking about highway safety, given the millions of drivers on the road, there are few alternatives. Clearly some definitive test needs to be developed, if that is possible. If it is not, I would err on the side of public safety.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You make the connection that long time users are more tolerant of the drug. That is not what the studies show. I could try pot for the 1st time and have a very high tolerance, or I could have used it thousands of times and have a low tolerance. As for a standardized test, when you are talking about highway safety, given the millions of drivers on the road, there are few alternatives. Clearly some definitive test needs to be developed, if that is possible. If it is not, I would err on the side of public safety.

So you want to bring back prohibition as that is a much larger problem.

 

[Connorpozlee]

This is really disappointing to hear. I just popped open a beer on the back deck after riding the exercise bike in the hot garage for an hour (recovery fluids). If I'm going to get cancer from this I'm giving up the bike and picking up smoking instead.

 

[fairgambit]

So you want to bring back prohibition as that is a much larger problem.

Not at all. Drink, or smoke pot, as much as you want. Get stinking drunk or high if you choose to. Just don't get behind the wheel of a vehicle after you do. I would make the penalties for drunk, high, or distracted (texting, cell use) driving, increasingly severe. People with multiple offenses should spend serious time in jail.

 

[jmorovich]

I think John Oliver sums up studies like these pretty well...

If you have a spare 20 mins and want to laugh, enjoy...

 

[jubaaltman]

Go to 4:34 ...LOL!

 

[Obliviax]

God gives you X number of "fun credits". You can use them up quickly by drinking, hot chicks and whatever. You can get some back by working out. But when they are used up, you die. So, blow it out and die early. Or, be conservative and live a long, not-so-fun life.

 

[Obliviax]

I think John Oliver sums up studies like these pretty well...

If you have a spare 20 mins and want to laugh, enjoy...

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he's funny...but his next show will be him bringing out 98 scientists that support global warming. So which is it? BTW, 98 out of 100 may think there is GW, but not that it is created by humans. The problem I have with these comedians, like Cobert and Stewart, is they are very influential but when you "call them" on their BS, they go to the "hey, I am just a comedian" BS.

 

[nitlion93]

It would be ideal to just have an impairment test rather than a physiological test (such as a BAC tests) to prove ones ability to operate a motor vehicle safely. However, I do not believe that a reliable and non-subjective roadside test exists. The BAC tests are used to provide the non-subjective "evidence" to prove the correlation to impairment.

 

[cjrugger]

Hmm, last I heard a glass or red wine stopped Cancer.

If you changed your life habits every time a new 'study' came out you'd end up in the loony bin

 

[slwlion]

Alcohol causes seven forms of cancer, and people consuming even low to moderate amounts are at risk, according to new analysis.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/22/alcohol-direct-cause-seven-forms-of-cancer-study

Combine this with the debilitating impairment of alcohol that causes 1000s of deaths per year and is there anyone who can make a legitimate argument why pot is still illegal while alcohol is legal?

Why are people still losing their jobs, Le'Veon Bell, and going to jail for something that causes so little harm? Why is it still listed as a schedule 1 narcotic with the likes of heroin, cocaine and LSD?

Unfortunately a great deal of smokers, (be it straight or wacky tobaccy) drink alcohol as well.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

he's funny...but his next show will be him bringing out 98 scientists that support global warming. So which is it? BTW, 98 out of 100 may think there is GW, but not that it is created by humans. The problem I have with these comedians, like Cobert and Stewart, is they are very influential but when you "call them" on their BS, they go to the "hey, I am just a comedian" BS.

He's pretty clear about believing in science as well as the need for science if you watched the piece.

 

[slwlion]

This is really disappointing to hear. I just popped open a beer on the back deck after riding the exercise bike in the hot garage for an hour (recovery fluids). If I'm going to get cancer from this I'm giving up the bike and picking up smoking instead.

I am an old, old man.Last week I rode my bike 101 miles, consumed 3 Tito's on the rocks and 3 glasses of Port over a 5 day period..I am truly blessed with good health..Btw, I quit smoking in 1968. Drink more, forget about the cigs.. lol

 

[jubaaltman]

I never played with myself, quit smoking when I was 28, and have been drinking ever since. #1 will make you go blind.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I never played with myself, quit smoking when I was 28, and have been drinking ever since. #1 will make you go blind.

This explains a lot. I wear glasses BTW...not ashamed of that either.

 

[LionDeNittany]

Alcohol causes seven forms of cancer, and people consuming even low to moderate amounts are at risk, according to new analysis.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/22/alcohol-direct-cause-seven-forms-of-cancer-study

Combine this with the debilitating impairment of alcohol that causes 1000s of deaths per year and is there anyone who can make a legitimate argument why pot is still illegal while alcohol is legal?

Why are people still losing their jobs, Le'Veon Bell, and going to jail for something that causes so little harm? Why is it still listed as a schedule 1 narcotic with the likes of heroin, cocaine and LSD?

So your logic is that because alcohol is dangerous Pot should be legal?

You do not back up your claims that MJ causes little harm. Anecdotally and in my opinion the effects of MJ abuse are considerably worse than alcohol abuse. But that's just me.

In general the reason one is legal and the other illegal is that you functionally can't stop production and use of alcohol. Therefore, you must allow it and tax it.

LdN

 

[LaJolla Lion]

So your logic is that because alcohol is dangerous Pot should be legal?

You do not back up your claims that MJ causes little harm. Anecdotally and in my opinion the effects of MJ abuse are considerably worse than alcohol abuse. But that's just me.

In general the reason one is legal and the other illegal is that you functionally can't stop production and use of alcohol. Therefore, you must allow it and tax it.

LdN

Actually it's pretty damn easy to grow a plant and you can't poison people with it. Alcohol kills so many each year, but since the government brain washed the older generations it will be a few more years before the stupidity of this ends. The propaganda films used 50+ years ago really did work, but thankfully more accurate information is out there and it's not taboo to talk about any more. I would think your opinion is surely based off of your experiences with both.

 

[jim cummings]

So your logic is that because alcohol is dangerous Pot should be legal?

You do not back up your claims that MJ causes little harm. Anecdotally and in my opinion the effects of MJ abuse are considerably worse than alcohol abuse. But that's just me.

In general the reason one is legal and the other illegal is that you functionally can't stop production and use of alcohol. Therefore, you must allow it and tax it.

LdN

So what you're saying is that it's easier to stop someone from growing weed in their basement than it is someone to stop someone from whipping up moonshine?