Really? According to the CDC "excessive drinking accounted for one in ten deaths among working age adults in the United States."
http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0293.htm
Bad news. Alcohol is a direct cause of 7 types of cancer.
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http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2014/13_0293.htm
Alcohol abuse is dangerous but it is legal and thus consumed at a much higher rate. The statistic you used doesn't take that into account.
I can buy a beer at the gas station.
LdN
Yes definitely. Mainly because to grow weed you need the seeds. To get the seeds you have to buy weed which is illegal.
To make moonshine or other alcohol, you need to buy sugar and corn.
And these aren't related to today's times. Imagine when these laws were put into place the simplicity of one vs. the other.
LdN
I drink beer, I'm not a drug user, but I found this video to be absolutely fascinating. Literally every reason/excuse I thought of, this guy already had the answer for. Very, very fascinating. Thanks for posting.
How many people do you think overdose on weed?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marijuana-deaths-2014_us_56816417e4b06fa68880a217
I don't really care how many people overdose on weed. That is tangential to the discussion.
I thought so too the first time I saw it. The prohibition murder rates kid of hit home as there are so many senseless killings in this country and Mexico that are drug related.
Well the answer is none. You stated the mj abuse is so much more harmful, but I was wondering what exactly led you to that opinion. So far it doesn't seem like it is based on much. Mind you I just drink beer and wine, but I certainly don't oppose others who choose to use the safer drug.
Yep...but "science" isn't infallible. In addition, "science" can be highjacked.
I'm said this many times on this board, if you eliminate ETOH and cigarettes, I'd be out of a job. In fact, IMO, 1/3 of Healthcare would be out of a job.
In 10 years, I've never seen a patient in the hospital b/c of marijuana. There's never been a day that I haven't had patients in the hospital for ETOH and/or cigarettes.
Society had it backwards, ETOH and cigarettes should be illegal and marijuana legal.
There aren't many sadder sights than that of a chronic alcoholic. Ugly, ugly.
You are making claims you cannot backup again. MJ is not "safer" than alcohol simply because you can't smoke yourself to death.
The long and short term effects of smoking pot are well documented. Many of them seem understated in my opinion but you are welcome to your own.
Noone can claim that Pot is safer than alcohol. They are completely separate drugs with different delivery methods and different levels per quantity.
What I can claim, which I did, is that the reason alcohol is legal is it is impossible to stop it from being produced. Pot, at one time or another, was considerably easier. Today it is becoming impossible again because of technology.
Personally I'm fine with legalizing pot. However, down the road when the effects from a lot of long term smokers take hold, all these studies of it being "safe" will go out the window.
LdN
Officers will be doing roadside grape Nehi and Funions testing. If the driver can't resist, they are under the influence of the devil's lettuce.
Just hope the Governor and legislature doesn't see this. They will be on the prowl by Christmas for more sin tax revenue, when the cigarette tax that starts Aug 1st doesn't meet their cash flow estimates.
Sure and that is why some deny it. He also stated people should check the sources. Seems reasonable enough.
Or apple juice, sugar, and yeast. I make a gallon of hard cider in a dark basement closet almost weekly with a lot less effort (and electricty) than growing plants.
To revive another thread, we can't get those self driving cars quick enough, as far as I'm concerned. Between the drunks, potheads and text-happy people on the road, we'll probably be a whole lot safer.
That is why they are making smoke free consumption availabile where it is legal. Then the old smoking part of the safe coin becomes invalid.
If "we" really cared about health and a DIRECT link to Cancer we would NOT still be growing tobacco and selling it ti ANYONE !!!! Talk about STUPID 
That article that alleges drinking "directly caused cancer" is full of shit. Let's see the research stats behind it. The only way you can make a statement like that is to have highly controlled scientific experiments, not just analyzing data. Alcohol, genetics, diet, environment, smoking,etc. all together may allow cancer to blossom. How many people who never had a friggin drink developed cancer? Where are those stats? I say this seriously while sipping on a gin and tonic and smoking some chronic!
Coach talking to team: " Team, I want to show you what alcohol can do to you , watch when I drop this worm in a glass of whiskey ( coach drops it in, worm dies quickly)
Coach to Bubba, the star Off Tackle: 'Bubba, what's the point I just made' ?
Bubba: Coach, if you drink Whiskey, YOU WILL NOT GET WORMS !' !
Coach to Bubba, the star Off Tackle: 'Bubba, what's the point I just made' ?
Bubba: Coach, if you drink Whiskey, YOU WILL NOT GET WORMS !' !
I saw an article about it on Science Daily, a site which compiles research publications. A study of motor vehicle mortality in Colorado after medical marijuana was legalized showed a significant increase. The conclusion of the authors was that pot use was not an association but the cause. I believe it was from 2014.
Knowing what Marijuana does to your CNS and the fact that it's effects persist after a person no longer feels high, I would expect there will be more injuries and deaths on our highways. Add to it the reality that people often combine pot with alcohol.
With pot you get the bad with the good.
Really? I see people every month who are OVI on weed alone. And it's not simply that there are traces of THC in their system from a week ago, These are people who get called in for poor driving and fail thei field sobriety tests because the weed is presently impacting their driving.
Obviously alcohol OVI is much more common (after all, it's legal), but there are tons of weed related OVIs in every state, every single night.
Not true, even in the slightest.
THC is detectable in your system long after use, but ANY psychoactive properties are long gone after 8-12 hours. About the same time for motor skills to be affected by moderate alcohol intake.
If "we" really cared about health and a DIRECT link to Cancer we would NOT still be growing tobacco and selling it ti ANYONE !!!! Talk about STUPID
As well as having govt subsidizing tobacco growers.....!
Rudedude's got it right regarding the alcohol ""study". I'm not even sure that I would be considered a moderate drinker, but if an occasional drink is going to lead to my demise, then mail me my f'in coffin!!!
P.S. As for smoking tobacco or pot, I quit smoking cold turkey at midnight the night before my PSU graduation on 6/24/72 based on two bets from friends that I couldn't quit for a year. After winning the bets (I didn't cheat and I am that determined and cheap), I took them both out for dinner with my winnings... the best money I ever spent! I've never looked back. That being said, I don't judge others that choose to smoke, because I know how difficult it was for me to quit!
P.S. As for smoking tobacco or pot, I quit smoking cold turkey at midnight the night before my PSU graduation on 6/24/72 based on two bets from friends that I couldn't quit for a year. After winning the bets (I didn't cheat and I am that determined and cheap), I took them both out for dinner with my winnings... the best money I ever spent! I've never looked back. That being said, I don't judge others that choose to smoke, because I know how difficult it was for me to quit!
I believe that's not settled science. But again, my objections are more along the lines of "your right to freedom ends when it injures me"--to paraphrase an old Heinlein line. And 8-12 hours is not a short time as far as driving goes.
And I would say that real life tops theories. There does seem to be some kind of a connection between pot and auto accidents based on real life data from Washington State. Caution, at least, is advised.
I find it amazing that the culture is moving so fast on this issue while at the same time going in the opposite direction with smoking. There may well be dangers in smoking pot similar to those of smoking tobacco. Rapid oxidation (i.e. flames) tends to generate carcinogens.
But the pot lobby has a lot of $$ behind it--because there are millions if not billions to be made. Where there is money, caution is often thrown to the winds.
Weed can be bought legally or illegally in every state. In Colorado the taxes benefit the schools and homeless while in an illegal state the $ go to cartels and organized crime. Colorado is seeing decreased usage among those under 21 and no evidence of major increases in mj related driving. Israel is doing major research in the health benefits of marijuana in both THC related and also non-psychoactive CBD. My wife has used CBD related edibles for pain after surgery and it worked well for her. I occasionally have insomnia and when I do I take 2 chill pill edibles (indica) and sleep well. I used to work evenings before I retired and I would occasionally take 1/4 or 1/2 of an ambien to fall asleep but I was very sluggish in the a.m. unlike chill pills which you wake refreshed in the morning..
