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which we have struggled with for almost 5 years. Have not read all that much here, but wanted to stop in to say that better days are coming. Now, for example, some in the media are asking the questions many of us have been asking for so long:

"How could the BOT have paid out this much of the University's money with so little vetting of the claims?"

"Hasn't the BOT hamstrung everyone by spending this much money without vetting the claims?"

"Did they think nobody would ever see the records upon which they decided to pay?"

"How can the BOT have gotten PSU in the position where it paid $100 million +++ on the basis that the Freeh Report was true, and STILL be facing the effects of the Spanier vs. Freeh lawsuit, the premise of which is that the Freeh Report is false?" Remember, we indemnified Freeh.

"How can our coffers, whatever you think, possibly be subject to hits from claimants premised upon the 1)truth and 2)falsity of the same report?"

"How bad at governance do you have to be to pay 8 million dollars for one report that makes you liable both if it is true and if it is not?"

Patience, friends. There are some answers. Not sure any of them will get our money back, but someday the nonsensical nature of what the BOT did with Louis Freeh will be plain to even the most ignorant and blinded of our fellow citizens. I feel more certain of that now than ever before.
 
which we have struggled with for almost 5 years. Have not read all that much here, but wanted to stop in to say that better days are coming. Now, for example, some in the media are asking the questions many of us have been asking for so long:

"How could the BOT have paid out this much of the University's money with so little vetting of the claims?"

"Hasn't the BOT hamstrung everyone by spending this much money without vetting the claims?"

"Did they think nobody would ever see the records upon which they decided to pay?"

"How can the BOT have gotten PSU in the position where it paid $100 million +++ on the basis that the Freeh Report was true, and STILL be facing the effects of the Spanier vs. Freeh lawsuit, the premise of which is that the Freeh Report is false?" Remember, we indemnified Freeh.

"How can our coffers, whatever you think, possibly be subject to hits from claimants premised upon the 1)truth and 2)falsity of the same report?"

"How bad at governance do you have to be to pay 8 million dollars for one report that makes you liable both if it is true and if it is not?"

Patience, friends. There are some answers. Not sure any of them will get our money back, but someday the nonsensical nature of what the BOT did with Louis Freeh will be plain to even the most ignorant and blinded of our fellow citizens. I feel more certain of that now than ever before.

Let the light shine in on those dark rooms and watch the rat's start turning and feeding on each other...
 
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which we have struggled with for almost 5 years. Have not read all that much here, but wanted to stop in to say that better days are coming. Now, for example, some in the media are asking the questions many of us have been asking for so long:

.................................................someday the nonsensical nature of what the BOT did with Louis Freeh will be plain to even the most ignorant and blinded of our fellow citizens. I feel more certain of that now than ever before.
Coming from others, these words would mean little. Coming from you, they give me hope. Thank you.
 
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which we have struggled with for almost 5 years. Have not read all that much here, but wanted to stop in to say that better days are coming. Now, for example, some in the media are asking the questions many of us have been asking for so long:

"How could the BOT have paid out this much of the University's money with so little vetting of the claims?"

"Hasn't the BOT hamstrung everyone by spending this much money without vetting the claims?"

"Did they think nobody would ever see the records upon which they decided to pay?"

"How can the BOT have gotten PSU in the position where it paid $100 million +++ on the basis that the Freeh Report was true, and STILL be facing the effects of the Spanier vs. Freeh lawsuit, the premise of which is that the Freeh Report is false?" Remember, we indemnified Freeh.

"How can our coffers, whatever you think, possibly be subject to hits from claimants premised upon the 1)truth and 2)falsity of the same report?"

"How bad at governance do you have to be to pay 8 million dollars for one report that makes you liable both if it is true and if it is not?"

Patience, friends. There are some answers. Not sure any of them will get our money back, but someday the nonsensical nature of what the BOT did with Louis Freeh will be plain to even the most ignorant and blinded of our fellow citizens. I feel more certain of that now than ever before.
Dem, nice post. But I have one question -- Who in the media are asking such questions? Haven't seen a thing from them in this regard. All I'm witnessing is yet another feeding frenzy as a result of yesterday.
 
which we have struggled with for almost 5 years. Have not read all that much here, but wanted to stop in to say that better days are coming. Now, for example, some in the media are asking the questions many of us have been asking for so long:

"How could the BOT have paid out this much of the University's money with so little vetting of the claims?"

"Hasn't the BOT hamstrung everyone by spending this much money without vetting the claims?"

"Did they think nobody would ever see the records upon which they decided to pay?"

"How can the BOT have gotten PSU in the position where it paid $100 million +++ on the basis that the Freeh Report was true, and STILL be facing the effects of the Spanier vs. Freeh lawsuit, the premise of which is that the Freeh Report is false?" Remember, we indemnified Freeh.

"How can our coffers, whatever you think, possibly be subject to hits from claimants premised upon the 1)truth and 2)falsity of the same report?"

"How bad at governance do you have to be to pay 8 million dollars for one report that makes you liable both if it is true and if it is not?"

Patience, friends. There are some answers. Not sure any of them will get our money back, but someday the nonsensical nature of what the BOT did with Louis Freeh will be plain to even the most ignorant and blinded of our fellow citizens. I feel more certain of that now than ever before.
 
I hope you are right Larry! I am 68 years old and hope it doens't take the same amount of time to get to the truth here as it did with the Atlanta Olympic bombing situation, in which Mr. Freeh was also involved with. Keep up the good work Larry and Good Luck to you and the others reviewing the Freeh report and persuing the truth!
 


"That is especially true since the school created this news cycle by refusing to open its own checkbook and dole out a reported $92.8 million in settlements it authorized to Sandusky’s actual victims."
Isn't this statement, which is a principle premise of Wetzel's piece, incorrect? I mean, haven't we doled out the money? Why is everybody so sadly misinformed, disinformed, underinformed, etc? Is it because they want to be? What kind of world has this become? How can I get a good paying job doing this? (Nevermind. Never in a million years would I prostitute myself like the "journalists" of our time.)
 
"That is especially true since the school created this news cycle by refusing to open its own checkbook and dole out a reported $92.8 million in settlements it authorized to Sandusky’s actual victims."
Isn't this statement, which is a principle premise of Wetzel's piece, incorrect? I mean, haven't we doled out the money? Why is everybody so sadly misinformed, disinformed, underinformed, etc? Is it because they want to be? What kind of world has this become? How can I get a good paying job doing this? (Nevermind. Never in a million years would I prostitute myself like the "journalists" of our time.)

LOL. In his Deflategate piece today, he accuses the NFL of confirmation bias. Pot calling kettle black, imho.

I think confirmation bias is largely what we are dealing with in the public narrative of our issue.
 
"That is especially true since the school created this news cycle by refusing to open its own checkbook and dole out a reported $92.8 million in settlements it authorized to Sandusky’s actual victims."
Isn't this statement, which is a principle premise of Wetzel's piece, incorrect? I mean, haven't we doled out the money? Why is everybody so sadly misinformed, disinformed, underinformed, etc? Is it because they want to be? What kind of world has this become? How can I get a good paying job doing this? (Nevermind. Never in a million years would I prostitute myself like the "journalists" of our time.)

well someone has to cut a check to cover Ira's spending and you think it's gonna him? Doubt it.

By asking PmA to cover the costs, that is penn state refusing to open the checkbook. That's not inaccurate.
 
well someone has to cut a check to cover Ira's spending and you think it's gonna him? Doubt it.

By asking PmA to cover the costs, that is penn state refusing to open the checkbook. That's not inaccurate.

But, have we not already paid out the settlements?
 
which we have struggled with for almost 5 years. Have not read all that much here, but wanted to stop in to say that better days are coming. Now, for example, some in the media are asking the questions many of us have been asking for so long:

"How could the BOT have paid out this much of the University's money with so little vetting of the claims?"

"Hasn't the BOT hamstrung everyone by spending this much money without vetting the claims?"

"Did they think nobody would ever see the records upon which they decided to pay?"

"How can the BOT have gotten PSU in the position where it paid $100 million +++ on the basis that the Freeh Report was true, and STILL be facing the effects of the Spanier vs. Freeh lawsuit, the premise of which is that the Freeh Report is false?" Remember, we indemnified Freeh.

"How can our coffers, whatever you think, possibly be subject to hits from claimants premised upon the 1)truth and 2)falsity of the same report?"

"How bad at governance do you have to be to pay 8 million dollars for one report that makes you liable both if it is true and if it is not?"

Patience, friends. There are some answers. Not sure any of them will get our money back, but someday the nonsensical nature of what the BOT did with Louis Freeh will be plain to even the most ignorant and blinded of our fellow citizens. I feel more certain of that now than ever before.

Good to hear! Hopefully you're keeping in touch with the AG's office, possibly even the feds. Does the former state rep, Jubelier(?), have any contacts or advice?
 
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I swear, if you have not been around because you put a boat trailer up a tree again.....
It was a pick up truck this time!!!!
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Dem, nice post. But I have one question -- Who in the media are asking such questions? Haven't seen a thing from them in this regard. All I'm witnessing is yet another feeding frenzy as a result of yesterday.
This guy:

http://bit.ly/PSUBOT

Oh, that's right - - - you said who "in the media"

The answer to that, is essentially no one

Didn't help that for four years (let alone in even the last couple months - when every flashing light and alarm was blaring at full capacity), no one with standing ever said word one about the unholy Lubert Star Chamber that created this whole fiasco (hell, would it surprise anyone if those "folks with standing" end up electing the prime culprit to the Chairman of the Board seat?)

This fiasco that was as difficult to predict as being able to predict getting your car crushed when you leave it sitting in the middle of the railroad tracks.

But now most everyone wants to blame "the media" for getting the story wrong........when they were given no other story to write.

Laugh? Or, Cry?
 
This guy:

http://bit.ly/PSUBOT

Oh, that's right - - - you said who "in the media"

The answer to that, is essentially no one

Didn't help that for four years (let alone in even the last couple months - when every flashing light and alarm was blaring at full capacity), no one with standing ever said word one about the unholy Lubert Star Chamber that created this whole fiasco (hell, would it surprise anyone if those "folks with standing" end up electing the prime culprit to the Chairman of the Board seat?)

This fiasco that was as difficult to predict as being able to predict getting your car crushed when you leave it sitting in the middle of the railroad tracks.

But now most everyone wants to blame "the media" for getting the story wrong........when they were given no other story to write.

Laugh? Or, Cry?

Sorry, not letting the media off that easily. There are enough questionable things out there to raise the curiosity of any respectable journalist. Oh, I forgot, that "species" is extinct.
 
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Sorry, not letting the media off that easily. There are enough questionable things out there to raise the curiosity of any respectable journalist. Oh, I forgot, that "species" is extinct.
This:



is probably the closest ANYONE on the Board ever came to opposing the "Star Chamber"

There was a brief comment by A Lubrano at the end of this 12 minute meeting
A Lubrano - I think - now knows he should have "stuck to his guns" - - - - - though there were confounding circumstances, and it should be evaluated in the context of the time (at the time there were only three "new blood" folks on the Board - Lub, McCom, and Talif)

Now, in the four years hence - and, most aggregiously, in the time since May 5th 2016 - the silence/acquiescence has been a clear case of fiduciary failure on the part of the esteemed panel of PSU governors. :)
To expect the "media" to do the job that the University's fiduciaries refuse to do, is just silly. (doesn't mean the media, as a whole, is NOT a pack of dim-witted, lazy, ignorant, bloviating scumbags....but it is two different issues and two different levels of responsibility)
 
Dem, nice post. But I have one question -- Who in the media are asking such questions? Haven't seen a thing from them in this regard. All I'm witnessing is yet another feeding frenzy as a result of yesterday.
Dan Whetzel, yes that horse's ass, is actually flirting with some of the same ideas here, but he is too confused to sort out who is who--in his mind "Penn State" and "Larry Schultz" are the same player in this.

"So, yes, it’s possible, and, yes, Penn State chose not to question it, so that’s on the school. It’s also fair to ask if a kid camper could really gain a private audience with Paterno, heroically make the aforementioned claim, grow outraged at the response, boldly and aggressively question Paterno’s response, all via quotes that feel directly out of a movie. He did all of that, but didn’t go to his parents, the police or anyone else for nearly four decades?"

The people who chose not to question it, and the people who are feeling themselves raked over the coals by the media's BS reporting over the last few days, are not the same folks. But at some level they are all Penn State. This same confusion seeps in all over the place, and has crushed us for years. Whetzel actually gives evidence here of recognizing it, or being on the verge of recognizing it.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/penn-s...o-blame-for-latest-accusations-015532985.html
 
Thanks for keeping the light on at the end of the tunnel dem, however for the past four and a half years it has seemed the light hasn't been getting any closer. In the past various people have told us big news was coming but it never happened. Given what you've been doing lately, I'll take you at your word and hope the light gets bigger. Keep up the good work.
 
Dan Whetzel, yes that horse's ass, is actually flirting with some of the same ideas here, but he is too confused to sort out who is who--in his mind "Penn State" and "Larry Schultz" are the same player in this.

"So, yes, it’s possible, and, yes, Penn State chose not to question it, so that’s on the school. It’s also fair to ask if a kid camper could really gain a private audience with Paterno, heroically make the aforementioned claim, grow outraged at the response, boldly and aggressively question Paterno’s response, all via quotes that feel directly out of a movie. He did all of that, but didn’t go to his parents, the police or anyone else for nearly four decades?"

The people who chose not to question it, and the people who are feeling themselves raked over the coals by the media's BS reporting over the last few days, are not the same folks. But at some level they are all Penn State. This same confusion seeps in all over the place, and has crushed us for years. Whetzel actually gives evidence here of recognizing it, or being on the verge of recognizing it.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/penn-s...o-blame-for-latest-accusations-015532985.html
"...The people who chose not to question it, and the people who are feeling themselves raked over the coals by the media's BS reporting over the last few days, are not the same folks. But at some level they are all Penn State. This same confusion seeps in all over the place, and has crushed us for years. Whetzel actually gives evidence here of recognizing it, or being on the verge of recognizing it...."


Absolutely.


Maybe, just maybe :) the folks who are getting "raked over the coals" could have done a better job of delineating between themselves and the "people who chose not to question it"?........like certain folks have been BEGGING them to do for the last several years (and have even given them one template after another on just how to do that)
 
There is always the fervent hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is not an oncoming train. :) But the same org that put Ira in charge of the settlements (where the average person got ~ 3 million, but the guys at the end who gained discovery rights got 10-20 million) is now fixing to put him in charge of the whole shootin' match. If you were going to call them evil you would have to assume they are smarter than they have shown themselves to be.
 
There is always the fervent hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is not an oncoming train. :) But the same org that put Ira in charge of the settlements (where the average person got ~ 3 million, but the guys at the end who gained discovery rights got 10-20 million) is now fixing to put him in charge of the whole shootin' match. If you were going to call them evil you would have to assume they are smarter than they have shown themselves to be.

Is anyone going to stop them?

Is anyone going to try?
 
There is always the fervent hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is not an oncoming train. :) But the same org that put Ira in charge of the settlements (where the average person got ~ 3 million, but the guys at the end who gained discovery rights got 10-20 million) is now fixing to put him in charge of the whole shootin' match. If you were going to call them evil you would have to assume they are smarter than they have shown themselves to be.
With all due respect, they appear to be a damn sight smarter than their opponents. They continue to control everything necessary and there hasn't been any indication that this will change.
 
With all due respect, they appear to be a damn sight smarter than their opponents. They continue to control everything necessary and there hasn't been any indication that this will change.
It hasn't taken any "smarts" to control things......all it has taken - to maintain unholy, unaccountable control - is a willingness to behave as complete and utter Scoundrels
Sounds like the types of folks you would admire!

The failure of others to "do more" in no way mitigates or lessens depth of your Heroes' evil.......nor does it ascribe some legitimacy to their rape and subsequent prostitution of the University.
 
With all due respect, they appear to be a damn sight smarter than their opponents. They continue to control everything necessary and there hasn't been any indication that this will change.

I cannot argue with this. Let us hope that when some of these individuals are put under oath, by Sollers, that the light begins to shine.

Of course, one might wonder just why these individuals are still going to great lengths, such as this, even 5 years later. The world has already made their judgment. Why do these individuals still feel the need to continue to actively guide the conversation?
 
It hasn't taken any "smarts" to control things......all it has taken - to maintain unholy, unaccountable control - is a willingness to behave as complete and utter Scoundrels
Sounds like the types of folks you would admire!

The failure of others to "do more" in no way mitigates or lessens depth of your Heroes' evil.......nor does it ascribe some legitimacy to their rape and subsequent prostitution of the University.

But they are ahead of the game.. The entire message has been theirs and Wetzels column is about the only thing yet that comes remotely close to pointing out a fermenting rat stench may kinda be there sort of. That stench was extremely pungent years ago and is worse today.
 
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It hasn't taken any "smarts" to control things......all it has taken - to maintain unholy, unaccountable control - is a willingness to behave as complete and utter Scoundrels
Sounds like the types of folks you would admire!

The failure of others to "do more" in no way mitigates or lessens depth of your Heroes' evil.......nor does it ascribe some legitimacy to their rape and subsequent prostitution of the University.
Unlike you, I would not underestimate or trivialize an opponent. Recognizing who occupies the higher ground does not mean you admire an opponent. But I understand your severe limitation for analytical thought in your making that assumption.

For all of your bitching and moaning and cussing, your actions have not moved the meter one iota. Yet according to you, we are all to fall in line behind you due to your expert ability and knowledge as to how best to act. Don't be so disappointed that there are people that don't buy what you are selling.
 
Unlike you, I would not underestimate or trivialize an opponent. Recognizing who occupies the higher ground does not mean you admire an opponent. But I understand your severe limitation for analytical thought in your making that assumption.

For all of your bitching and moaning and cussing, your actions have not moved the meter one iota. Yet according to you, we are all to fall in line behind you due to your expert ability and knowledge as to how best to act. Don't be so disappointed that there are people that don't buy what you are selling.

Wow... someone struck a bad note with you.... why do I sense a troll in the making with post #21.....
 
Wow... someone struck a bad note with you.... why do I sense a troll in the making with post #21.....
There are many ways to skin a cat and I don't happen to agree with his method. That does not make me a troll.
 
Unlike you, I would not underestimate or trivialize an opponent. Recognizing who occupies the higher ground does not mean you admire an opponent. But I understand your severe limitation for analytical thought in your making that assumption.

For all of your bitching and moaning and cussing, your actions have not moved the meter one iota. Yet according to you, we are all to fall in line behind you due to your expert ability and knowledge as to how best to act. Don't be so disappointed that there are people that don't buy what you are selling.
BwaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaa
 
Unlike you, I would not underestimate or trivialize an opponent. Recognizing who occupies the higher ground does not mean you admire an opponent.

Can't argue with that. Consider Keith Masser. When I watch BoT meetings I can't stop thinking he is a blithering idiot who sounds like a robot. The fact remains he is the BoT chair who gets to make the important decisions. If Lubert is up next the same would apply to him. Those folks don't get to be BoT chair without some important political patrons who will have their backs.
 
There are many ways to skin a cat and I don't happen to agree with his method. That does not make me a troll.
"Mr crm114" here ^^^ Joined up a month or two ago, and immediately posted some crap that clearly illustrated how out of touch he was

Since then, I think half of his posts have been either:

1 - Trying to "get in my grill" regarding a variety of topics (LOL, jump whenever you feel froggy "Mr Anonymous Coward Douchebag crm114")

2 - Actually trying to give WendyS a bag of crap (good luck with that - apparently "Mr Anonymous Coward Douchebag" has a death wish. LOL)

3 - Other generic posts that illustrate his lack of awareness


If you were "following" me - "Mr Anonymous Coward Douchebag" - I would most certainly be on the wrong line

:)
 
With all due respect, they appear to be a damn sight smarter than their opponents. They continue to control everything necessary and there hasn't been any indication that this will change.
They have the votes, but the truth is gonna give them some heartburn as it comes out. Promoting Ira will hurt them and help us eventually, but it will REALLY hurt PSU.
 
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Worst part is we still can't be sure whether it was out of stupidity or spite.

Could these captains of industry really believe they would win that suit and force PMA to pay? Did nobody advise them on that likelihood? Or did they just ignore the advice? In the scheme of things, why would they care about getting reimbursed?

On the other hand, did they think that what has happened is exactly what would happen and what they wanted to happen? Continue to defame Paterno, denigrate the football program, and extend a middle finger at the alumni and other members of the community who have called them out for their negligence. All while continuing the narrative they started 4 1/2 years ago to keep the focus away from their dirty deeds and malfeasance.
 
Worst part is we still can't be sure whether it was out of stupidity or spite.

Could these captains of industry really believe they would win that suit and force PMA to pay? Did nobody advise them on that likelihood? Or did they just ignore the advice? In the scheme of things, why would they care about getting reimbursed?

On the other hand, did they think that what has happened is exactly what would happen and what they wanted to happen? Continue to defame Paterno, denigrate the football program, and extend a middle finger at the alumni and other members of the community who have called them out for their negligence. All while continuing the narrative they started 4 1/2 years ago to keep the focus away from their dirty deeds and malfeasance.

I don't think they could foresee the "sealed" information coming out nor do I think they thought they were going to get PMA to reimburse them the entire $90+ million. As in almost all litigation, there is always a settlement amount that both parties eventually agree to in order to close the matter, cut their expenses, and go their separate ways. I think they thought they would eventually reach that point with PMA. Frankly, I don't think they were smart enough to see the direction this went with the judge ruling the settlement documents could be released. After all, those call into question their judgement and handling as much as it calls into question about "when Joe knew".

As with practically every decision they made in this process for the past 5 years, it shows they were totally unprepared and inept fools.
 
Why does it always circle back to "State Actor" lawyers-turned-politicians.....or working for lawyer-politicians? Corbutt, Kelly, Fina, Eschbach, a Fraudulent Presentment & indictments, Feudale, Freeh, Little Turd Kenny, Lynne Abraham, now Bruce Castor running cover 5 years later with his "oh I'll scratch my lawyer head and say, who on earth could have done this.....this is like a 'who done it!!!.....a mystery wrapped in a riddle wrapped in an enigma.....I think TSM might have had something to do with this?".......Cynthia Baldwin, Lubert/Kline and Lubert heading up the "Legal Subcommittee" that signed off on all the payments with zero scrutiny or vetting......should I keep going???

Corbutt and his sleaze GOP lawyers running a "for charge" protection racket out of the OAG that he parlayed into the Governorship with his twin abuse of power "protection racket - 'buy insurance or else' mobster schtick" coupled with his malicious prosecution and prosecutorial misconduct "intimidate and tyrannize routine..... Good thing Lawyers have anointed themselves the great educators and lecturers on ethics and morals in this country - what a phucking joke the biggest human excrement in the State are the fat corrupt lawyers-turned-politicians Junta foxes guarding the hen-houses somehow I think you might have to nuke the PA State Government down to pavement to get rid of the cancer......
 
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