Berge or RBY
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Maybe I’m no fun, but I’ll wait for the draws on this one.
Berge at both. That's 100% an indictment on how strong 149 is vs 133. RBY may be better P4P, but that weight is deep, and I don't think there's a clearly better 149 than Berge outside of Shnaulty.
WS rankings...
Has 10 of top 13 at 149 NOT in Big 10 (Berge at 14)
5 of 7 guys ahead of RBV are IN B10
Make your own conclusions
Has 10 of top 13 at 149 NOT in Big 10 (Berge at 14)
5 of 7 guys ahead of RBV are IN B10
Make your own conclusions
Actually, Who’s on first, and What’s on second. I Don’t Know’s on third.
RBY's body of work leads me to think he has a very good chance to reach AA. One loss in which he was, injured the other he was leading big before getting caught. Berge's season hasn't given me the same confidence.
As for strength of field, IMO, 133 has not proven to be as tough as it looked in the preseason. Gross, Suriano, Micic, Wilson and Parker made the top half of the podium look nearly impenetrable ... Pletcher, Bridges and the addition of Lizak made it even tougher.
With a second look now we find that DeSanto has leapfrogged himself into 3rd and 2 Freshmen hold spots in the top 5 ... 2 others lurk just outside the top 8.
RBY's quickness gives him a chance against anyone not named Micic, and against Pletcher he proved he can also win a defensive battle.
As for strength of field, IMO, 133 has not proven to be as tough as it looked in the preseason. Gross, Suriano, Micic, Wilson and Parker made the top half of the podium look nearly impenetrable ... Pletcher, Bridges and the addition of Lizak made it even tougher.
With a second look now we find that DeSanto has leapfrogged himself into 3rd and 2 Freshmen hold spots in the top 5 ... 2 others lurk just outside the top 8.
RBY's quickness gives him a chance against anyone not named Micic, and against Pletcher he proved he can also win a defensive battle.
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I'm not going to predict it but I can see Berge having a Heilmann like run from last year (yes I know he was a 4 seed but I definitely didn't see him actually placing 4th) and placing Top 6 since 149 is so wide open. As you know, Cael has a plan for him in terms of weight maintenance. Berge will put himself in a position to win or lose most of his matches but I tend to give our guys the benefit of the doubt in tournament time for the most part.
Speaking of Heilmann, it just hit me that kid was maybe our 2nd best "friend" (minus Kyle Conel) in the tournament last year by beating Hayes. Winner of that round got fed to Zain but also got 7 points for advancement/placement into the semis. Loser got fed to Sorenson in R12 and almost assuredly out of the tournament. Margin of victory was 8 so....
Honestly - as much as we joke about him. Berger beating Micah last year was HUGE....winner of that get 3rd place and bonus with KemDawg injury defaulted (a noncontact shoulder injury so it happens against either of them likely) and loser got Pants in the 5th/6th place match. I did the math, that would have been 6.5 more points for Micah (4 more placement from 6th to 3rd, 2 more bonus, half more advancement)
Crazy how much a SV or TB win in a tournament like this can have huge team implications.
Speaking of Heilmann, it just hit me that kid was maybe our 2nd best "friend" (minus Kyle Conel) in the tournament last year by beating Hayes. Winner of that round got fed to Zain but also got 7 points for advancement/placement into the semis. Loser got fed to Sorenson in R12 and almost assuredly out of the tournament. Margin of victory was 8 so....
Honestly - as much as we joke about him. Berger beating Micah last year was HUGE....winner of that get 3rd place and bonus with KemDawg injury defaulted (a noncontact shoulder injury so it happens against either of them likely) and loser got Pants in the 5th/6th place match. I did the math, that would have been 6.5 more points for Micah (4 more placement from 6th to 3rd, 2 more bonus, half more advancement)
Crazy how much a SV or TB win in a tournament like this can have huge team implications.
I think How must be the right fielder... That was only position not named in the original roster.Actually, Who’s on first, and What’s on second. I Don’t Know’s on third.
How won at Wisconsin, transferred to Oklahoma and lost to Chris Perry, now coaches at NW.
I just realized my statement "Berge will put himself in a position to win or lose most of his matches" was actually really dumb haha. Obviously he'll either win or lose.
I don't think anyone in 149 is blowing it open against Brady, not Ashnault or Micah even. I think it'll be 1-2 points late 3rd most matches for Brady, hope he still has his stamina then and can make something happen. But I don't think Brady will blow it open against anyone either, leaving him prone to lose in any of the rounds. (even the 1st or 2nd)
That style could end up like Pletcher 2018 (when he makes a run to the semis by winning by 1, 1 and 2) or it can end up like Collica 2017 (against Theobold from Rutgers) when he let's someone hang around too long and get burned.
Honestly, I feel pretty similarly about Lugo haha.
I don't think anyone in 149 is blowing it open against Brady, not Ashnault or Micah even. I think it'll be 1-2 points late 3rd most matches for Brady, hope he still has his stamina then and can make something happen. But I don't think Brady will blow it open against anyone either, leaving him prone to lose in any of the rounds. (even the 1st or 2nd)
That style could end up like Pletcher 2018 (when he makes a run to the semis by winning by 1, 1 and 2) or it can end up like Collica 2017 (against Theobold from Rutgers) when he let's someone hang around too long and get burned.
Honestly, I feel pretty similarly about Lugo haha.
Good post.
Would add that 149 just feels like less of a mine field. Even with Gross out if feels like 10-15 guys can upend you, all pretty close IMO after Micic:
In no order of the top of my head:
Fix
Desanto
Lizak
Phillippi
Erneste
Gomez
Pletcher
Suriano
Wilson
Myers
It's like, 2-12 will have very little separation and there's no real upsets. Whereas, in 149, it's about 3-5 deep and then after that losses would be upsets. Berge would be right there in that next 6+.
Appreciate that! ^
Here's to a Nico freshman year run for both Berge and RBY!
Lord knows they're both beating him in the room!
Here's to a Nico freshman year run for both Berge and RBY!
Lord knows they're both beating him in the room!
One thing is certain, some very big names and very talented kids who would contend for the upper half of the podium at 133 are going home with nothing.
Yep.
It just is really close, many have beaten each other and will be coin flips come March.
No, the outfield was where when & why. How was SS, and WTF do I know was the manager
