Best example of the corrupt BOTurds intentionally misleading statements and behavior even OAG...
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CR66..Why exactly would it be Spaniers job to inform/discuss with the BOT LEGAL issues?? He's not even a lawyer for crying out load. Even if he did offer an opinion I wouldn't put much weight on it. On the other hand it was Baldwin's JOB to do so and according to the scoundrels, she never did. She was a former BOT chair and Supreme Court Justice and yet you blame Spanier....that's precious...
The deflection/spin you are trying to apply here is obvious and disgusting.
Hmm...obstruction for starters..What would be her motive to require a proffer letter before cooperating with the OAG?
There's obviously something there for her to be worried about.
Oh gee, I don't know maybe to protect herself -- she was the Vice Chair of the BOT in 2001 and was a member of the BOT in 1998 and 1999 when Sandusky was investigated by the University for portential CSA via the UPPD's most Senior Detective, Ron Schreffler, who felt so strongly he was guilty that he referred the case to the Centre County DA for prosecution, but then less than six months later Sandusky was awarded a sweetheart retirement deal that included Emeritus status that he did not qualify for (Fraudney Erickson signed the exemption for awarding it anyway) as well as full access to campus for his charity, The Second Mile. All of this was done and awarded against Paterno's wishes in regards to giving Sandusky and his charity unrestricted and unmonitored access to PSU Football and Athletic facilities. Quite obvious that the Executive Committee of the BOT's is responsible for putting Sandusky and children from his charity in the PSU Athletic Facilities unmonitored and after hours in 2001 -- not only that but this same EC of the PSU BOT then essentially gifted Sandusky land at a small fraction of its value in the spring of 2002 AFTER the 2001 incident so Sandusky could build the "Campus Facilities" and headquarters that he had always dreamed of building with the official PSU Press Release making glowing statements about Sandusky???
remind us again when Baldwin was appointed University legal counsel, despite decades of outsourcing the legal work?
BOT the not Will Rogers, "We didn't know what we could have read in the papers." Seems I heard a story about a certain Trustee who asked Tim Curley when HE was going to do something about JS. Baldwin was anointed because she "knew the ropes" from her prior "service" as a Trustee. Last I heard she was wondering around Tampa looking for Joe. Garban may have dropped the ball, but the Corbett to Surma combo was a well oiled machine.
Cruising Route 66
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No deflection. Just trying to school you how things work in the real world.
Spanier is the CEO of the university, had responsible for all of its functional areas including legal, and was a Board member. Spanier (not Baldwin, not Curley, not Shultz, etc) was the person responsible for keeping the full Board apprised of what was happening in the university including areas of concern. Baldwin was just staff, at Board meeting by invitation only and reported on those legal matters and to the degree her boss thought necessary. I't was Spanier and the Board's job to assess how the reported matters might affect the university if at all. Surely you don't think Baldwin was going to stand up in front of her boss and question his judgement in front of the other Board members do you?
Cruising Route 66
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Normal procedure. In the overwhelming majority of cases, the formal, written proffer agreement will explicitly state that no promises of either immunity or a plea bargain have been made.
Cruising Route 66
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PSU did benchmarking against other B1G schools and was found to not measure up with respect to having its own in house legal department.
Cruising Route 66
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This weekend is the 50th anniversary of Rod Serling's passing. I think he might still be here.
What's new??!!! You, that's what's new. Sixteen messages and you joined several months ago. Sit back and learn, Junior.
Is that the best you could come up with?? Just bc Spanier oversaw a lot of areas that doesnt make Spanier a legal expert does it? Just like all CEO's he oversaw a lot of areas but differed to "staff" experts when legal, finance, etc. issues come up or advice is needed. Baldwin was the one telling Spanier that the OAG was just fishing...no big deal, etc. Who is he to question the expertise of a former SC Judge?? He had no reason not to trust her at the time. If the BOT was misinformed its bc Baldwin wasnt giving the proper advice/doing her JOB as the legal expert advising Spanier and the BOT itselft.
Your nonsensical argument makes just as much sense as freeh/oag claiming that college admins/football coach should have known better than CYS/CC DA re: 1998. Which is to say it makes zero sense.
You are so full of $hit it isn't even funny -- who gives a crap what "you think" or say everybody's role is, should be, etc.... The Charter and the Pennsylvania OAG's Charitable and NPO Handbook say that the Board of Trustees primary role is OVERSIGHT. According to you, the Executive Committee has zero accountability for anything when Pennsylvania Law (which the PSU Charer is as it was enacted by the PA Legislature) and the OAG Manual for Charitable & Nonprofit Organizations says the diametric opposite -- they have the HIGHEST FIDUCIARY OBLIGATION to PSU. And you want to talk about Paterno not fulfilling his "moral obligations" -- guess what dipwad, your buddies didn't fulfill their legal or moral obligations.
I agree 100%. Baldwin/exec comm of the BOT knew exactly what was going on. I was merely responding to CR's ridiculous argument that the BOT was somehow misinformed by Spanier. Even if they were misinformed (which I don't buy for a second) it would have been Baldwin's fault, not Spanier's.
So more of these rumors. Tell us who knew what and when. When did you learn of JS' illegal activities?
Baldwin was a "plant" by the OAG & PA GOP in Jan 2010 who controlled that office (she is highly tied to the LZ/RA GOP-axis which "made" the political careers of TR, RS and TC...in fact she was a Governor-appointed Trustee at PSU in 1995 by Tom Ridge. Ridge also appointed Corbutt as Attorney General in 1995 to serve out EP's term after EP was convicted and sent to jail.). BTW, she was planted to "cover-up" the fraud committed at PSU in regards to "Climategate" - that story broke in Oct//Nov 2009 and Baldwin was brought in to produce the "whitewash" report that was the PSU Internal Investigation and Report which absolved PSU and its Professors of any fraud on the billions of $$$s of grants related to the matter which the PA OAG then used as an excuse not to prosecute the clear fraud which took place - PSU's Internal Investigation and Report was mocked as a complete joke and a clear self-serving fraud in itself but the GOP-controlled AG refused to do anything despite the clear multi-billion $$$ fraud that had been committed. Baldwin was a plant at PSU to act as a tool for the corrupt GOP-axis controlling PSU which includes Jake Corman (you didn't think Jake Corman made it to the Majority Leadership of the PA Senate out of his tiny little Central PA District via brilliance & hardwork, did you???).
you have to wonder about Carnes' motivation and persistence in continually floating BS information and spin on behalf of his masters.
one thing I learned in politics and public speaking . . . know your audience. when 99% of the people who read this board and post to it know he is full of pig excrement, one has to reflect on what he hopes to accomplish with it.
one thing I learned in politics and public speaking . . . know your audience. when 99% of the people who read this board and post to it know he is full of pig excrement, one has to reflect on what he hopes to accomplish with it.
