Best performance by a Penn State QB in a bowl game?
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I thought McSorley's second half against UW in Fiesta was about best performance by PSU QB in a major bowl.
32/41 for 342 yards and two scores while also rushing for 60 yards on 12 carries. He was 12/12 on third downs. He had two picks, yes but every time UW got close, Trace made a huge play.
32/41 for 342 yards and two scores while also rushing for 60 yards on 12 carries. He was 12/12 on third downs. He had two picks, yes but every time UW got close, Trace made a huge play.
Michael Robinson got the crap kicked out of him in the 2007 Orange Bowl by Florida State‘s play to the whistle and a bit more defense. yet he gutted it out and led PS to a 3 overtime win. I doubt he could walk the next morning.
Chuck Burkhart at the end of the Orange Bowl against Kansas tops everyone. It is legendary and made me a lifelong fan—I was 10 and it was the first time I was allowed to stay up that late. It provided the foundation for all that has followed.
Blackledge to Garrity equals national championship. Warner did the dirty work allowing Blackledge to cash in.
Ok, my analysis differs but winning is bottom line. I remember Flutie threw for like 2,000 yards against us in one game but we won in a blowout. When you are losing, you throw more. That skews the numbers sometimes.
I hate to bash Hack, but his freshman year featured Allen Robinson and an o-line with NFL players. Robinson was amazing. Hack was screwed when Franklin was hired, but there aren’t many schools running pro style offenses anymore. Many pro teams aren’t running pro style anymore. He may have had trouble finding a school to match his strengths.
Blackledge to Garrity equals national championship. Warner did the dirty work allowing Blackledge to cash in.
Ok, my analysis differs but winning is bottom line. I remember Flutie threw for like 2,000 yards against us in one game but we won in a blowout. When you are losing, you throw more. That skews the numbers sometimes.
I hate to bash Hack, but his freshman year featured Allen Robinson and an o-line with NFL players. Robinson was amazing. Hack was screwed when Franklin was hired, but there aren’t many schools running pro style offenses anymore. Many pro teams aren’t running pro style anymore. He may have had trouble finding a school to match his strengths.
What were hacks strengths? If he transferred there is a good chance he does not start or get drafted.
Pocket presence, precision, reading a defense, standing tall in the pocket, could take a hit, essentially everything you want a pro-style QB to be. This was obviously before his shoulder got wrecked in 2015 and Ricky Rahne ruined his mechanics trying to turn him into a college spread passer. Had he transferred either after 2013 (which he should have and it would have been easy due to the NCAA's vile and 100% specious sanctions), 2014 (he really should have but the before mentioned persecution by the NCAA had expired) or 2015 (very easy as a grad transfer), he would have had no shortage of suitors. A very vocal subset of ill-informed Penn State fans love to bash him but had he transferred he would have been highly sought after by every pro-style team in the country including Stanford, Michigan, Michigan State, Alabama, Georgia, USC, Wisconsin and Iowa, all of whom went through some type of QB transition during the timeframe.
It funny now he has this never heard of wrecked shoulder that only you know of? Do you seriously think if him shoulder was "wrecked" as you claim why did the Jet's draft him in the second round? I am sure they would have saw his "wrecked" shoulder in the combine physical exams or in his pro day work outs. If his shoulder was wrecked why did he try to play professional baseball in 2020 as a pitcher? There a reason why he coaching high school football and not playing QB and is has nothing to do with Penn State or their coaches. You would think three years of professional coaching could undue the two years at Penn State lol Sounds like you are just making things up to fit your agenda.
Your desperation is showing. It is common knowledge that his throwing shoulder was wrecked by midseason 2015.
I wasn't aware that injuries weren't part of football and player development. Thanks for clearing that up.
There are plenty of old pre-draft scouting reports online for Hack. I commend them to anyone interested in validating the accuracy of the comments on the state of his shoulder going into the draft.
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But according to Wallace Breen he is terrible. Hack in the 2014 Pinstripe bowl was magnificent. Any play he did not make was all Franklin's fault.
Hack was magnificent in the Pinstripe Bowl. I never said Trace was terrible. Not once. I said his was a very low ceiling QB and that has been proven to be true. JoeMo built an offense around his limitations and it worked when we had three generational players around him in Barkley, Gesicki and Godwin, once they left and were replaced by Sanders, Hamler and Frieirmuth, those limitations weren't so easy to hide and we struggled to an 8 and 4 record playing a pretty soft schedule. Physically, Trace is a below average run first dual threat QB. Mentally, he is an above average dual threat. Conversely, in 2019, when Clifford took over the same offense but with even lower talent and a much more challenging schedule (most difficult schedule Franklin has ever coached against), he played very well for the entirely of the season. In the spread era, the Xs and Os are as important and often more important than the Jimmy and the Joes.
You literally contradict yourself when you say generational players like Barkley and Godwin were the reason Trace was successful then later say X&O's are more important than Jimmies & Joes. So which is it dude?
I really like Hackenberg and his commitment meant a lot to Penn State football at the time of peril for the program.
However, it was pretty obvious that Hackenberg was closer to Morelli than Collins early in his career. Anyone who couldn't see this, didn't want to see it. Having a little bit of arm talent and prototypical size really has nothing to do with being a good quarterback.
Hack never really had a good season statistically and he was being tutored by a QB offensive guru, which in hindsight probably made him overperform very average stats in the first place (to your point about the X's & O's). Lets not pretend Hackenberg didn't have talent around him. He had 3 tight ends that played in the NFL in Kyle Carter, Gesicki & Jesse James not to mention Breneman, had Chris Godwin, Allen Robinson and DeSean Hamilton at WR, Donovan Smith and Mahon on the line who both are/were on NFL rosters...and while Belton & Zwinack weren't Barkley & Sanders, they formed a solid duo that was certainly "good enough."
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'My Cousin Anthony' - slapstick dramady about a guy they said was too dopey to be a big time down south lawyah
The NFL is well known for keeping “low-ceiling”, “below average dual threat run first” QBs around for 4 years and counting.
THE WORST TAKE EVER.
Takes a special poster to write such.
Come cry about Utah losing with your predictability.
Same as McSorley.
The blog author's failure to mention Shaffer's leadership in probably PSU's highest pressure game is a huge oversight.
The 2 best PSU QB performances are as follows:
1. Todd Blackledge in the 1983 Sugar Bowl
2. John Schaffer in the 1987 Fiesta Bowl
Stats, Schmatz - both led Penn State to National Championships. End of discussion!
Blackledge actually put up big numbers passing for 1982 when almost all team still ran for more than they threw for. Schaffer had a downright bad game turned the ball over constantly but yes was the champ.
So Collins in the 1995 Rose Bowl wouldn't be considered because some voters arbitrarily voted for Nebraska higher than PSU?
There’s a special kind of stupid here but it ain’t Donovan or the PSU coaches.
So I guess Hack’s coaches in the NFL were a special kind of stupid too. Anyone besides me noticing a trend here?
Yep. Hack came along at a terrible time in PSU history for numerous obvious reasons. Terrible o line under BOB. Sanctions limiting scholarships.
He probably should have transferred instead of struggling through a mobile QB system once Franklin came along. But that wasn't as easy as it is now.
As far as the best QB ever at PSU goes, it's Collins hands down. The 94 offense is ranked as one of the best ever in college football and he was at the helm. Granted he had a ton of talent to work with, but every great QB usually does.
