BO’B back to NE Pats as OC

[Wallace Breen]

Franklin recruited Barkley. O'Brien was a terrible recruiter did not recruit any offensive line players. O'Brien was a stepping stone for PSU and PSU was a stepping stone for O'Brien. Thankful he left and we have Franklin!!

Franklin didn't recruit Barkley. He picked up where OB left off.

For a terrible recruiter, he did pretty darn well, especially given his first task was to keep a team and recruiting class together. When you look at top players by position during the Franklin era, OB brought the majority of them in over the 4 classes he impacted. That is a fact. O'Brien gets most of the credit for Barkley, like it or not. He and his staff were better recruiters than Franklin and company, and not by a little bit either.

 

[Texas Lion]

Alabama begs to differ

Yeah, they were horrible on offense since he has been there.

 

[Texas Lion]

Even though PSU lost 3 starters who chose to take advantage of the NCAA sanctions, Joe Paterno did not leave the cupboard bare .Please see attached and note a veteran roster with many future NFL players included.

https://www.nittanyturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/depthchart_aug27.pdf

Maybe not bare but that roster would be only above Rutgers if it were in the B1G East right now.

 

[Wallace Breen]

Maybe not bare but that roster would be only above Rutgers if it were in the B1G East right now.

That roster is better than you give it credit for, a lot better. Just looking at the starters compared to the upcoming season, the lion's share of them come from 2012 including at least eight starters on offense and defense which includes the entire offense line, both receivers, at least one TE, maybe the entire front seven on D (at least six) and two defensive backs. That team also faced fairly radical changes on both sides of the ball, a much harder schedule than we have played since and officiating bias unlike any team has ever faced.

 

[Wallace Breen]

Oh Wally. You stating it doesn't make it so. The best thing O'Brien did was come here. The second best thing was to leave after 2 seasons. PSU needed a coach and Bill didn't have a job. The facts are the BOB hoped the super bowl run would render him a HC job in the NFL....it didn't. To make matters worse his contract to return to NE was not renewed. Josh McDaniel returned to NE and BOB was odd man out. Ira and Judas had promised a home run hire and came up with cow dung. Jaws advised his buddy Ira to look to NFL coordinators and that led to Bill O'Brien. O'Brien was probably perfect for that particular task. I would remind everyone who jumps on Franklin that in his 2 year stint OB flirted with the NFL after year one and also renegotiated his contract.
You need to read the attached article carefully and anyone who does will have a detailed explanation of what James Franklin faced during 2014.

Penn State Football: Breaking Down The Scholarship Situation

Heading into this season Penn State was permitted to have 75 players on scholarship for 2014-15 academic year. That is an increase from the original sanctions which saw Penn State down in the range of 62-65 scholarship players in 2013. Teams not under NCAA sanctions are permitted to operate with up

www.statecollege.com

Virtually everything you said is a bald faced lie. You are a liar, plain and simple.

 

[marshall23]

Virtually everything you said is a bald faced lie. You are a liar, plain and simple.

The truth hurts your when your hero is exposed.

 

[marshall23]

Virtually everything you said is a bald faced lie. You are a liar, plain and simple.

Penn State Football: ESPN’s Ron Jaworski Breaks Down O’Brien’s Success

Former NFL quarterback and respected analyst Ron Jaworksi has been a supporter of Bill O'Brien's back to the Penn State head coach's days with the Patriots. Jaws, who is also the president of the Maxwell Football Club, assesses O'Brien's first year at PSU.

www.statecollege.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/report-josh-mcdaniels-will-join-patriots-for-playoffs/2012/01/07/gIQAJ0VBhP_blog.html

Deadspin | Was Ron Jaworski The Puppetmaster Behind Penn State's Odd Coaching Hire?

Deadspin | Was Ron Jaworski The Puppetmaster Behind Penn State's Odd Coaching Hire?

deadspin.com

Breaking down Bill O'Brien's new contract, and what his buyouts would be

Radio/TV money and Nike deal compensation isn't part of the buyout if O'Brien leaves for an NFL job before his Penn State contract runs out.

www.pennlive.com

 

[Wallace Breen]

Penn State Football: ESPN’s Ron Jaworski Breaks Down O’Brien’s Success

Former NFL quarterback and respected analyst Ron Jaworksi has been a supporter of Bill O'Brien's back to the Penn State head coach's days with the Patriots. Jaws, who is also the president of the Maxwell Football Club, assesses O'Brien's first year at PSU.

www.statecollege.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/report-josh-mcdaniels-will-join-patriots-for-playoffs/2012/01/07/gIQAJ0VBhP_blog.html

Deadspin | Was Ron Jaworski The Puppetmaster Behind Penn State's Odd Coaching Hire?

Deadspin | Was Ron Jaworski The Puppetmaster Behind Penn State's Odd Coaching Hire?

deadspin.com

Breaking down Bill O'Brien's new contract, and what his buyouts would be

Radio/TV money and Nike deal compensation isn't part of the buyout if O'Brien leaves for an NFL job before his Penn State contract runs out.

www.pennlive.com

Deadspin? Really? Now I know you are both clueless and a liar. Good job. We already know you aren't a football coach. You do realize that OB was Joe's hand picked successor don't you. Note, the lack of a question mark.

 

[Wallace Breen]

The truth hurts your when your hero is exposed.

Actually, you exposed yourself as the troll you are.

 

[OaktonDave]

Maybe not bare but that roster would be only above Rutgers if it were in the B1G East right now.

I'm not sure I entirely agree on the defensive side of the ball, but you're right on the offene. The real problem that would become evident in 2013 and beyond is seen in the depth on the OL. Aside from Donovan Smith, there was very little quality in the pipeline. Some of that is on Joe and some of that is on O'Brien. Some of it was guys not panning out, but there was also a lack of numbers. The 2011 class produced Donovan Smith and a lot of disappointment. The 2012 class had 2 OGs and 0 OTs. The 2013 class produced one guy that played OT and one OT recruit that ended up on DL. Two starter-quality OTs, Donovan Smith and Andrew Nelson, in 3 years isn't enough. By the fall of 2014, the OL had talent issues at C and RG, RsFr who weren't ready starting at RT and LG, and Donovan Smith at LT. The back-ups largely consisted of bad busts and walk-ons. You're not going to win much with that.

 

[OaktonDave]

You are right, he won't last.....in New England. 2 Years from now he will have Mac Jones at the top level and get another chance to be a head coach.

BOB could always coach the shit out of football. It was when he tried to be GM as well.

BOB may be his own worst enemy in trying to get an NFL HC job. He's going to have to admit that he did a poor job managing the roster in Houston and let someone else do it at his next job. That will be one very bitter pill for him to swallow. He'll also have to convince an owner that he can work with a GM that won't necessarily do everything he wants them to do. That may be a hard sell.

 

[marshall23]

Actually, you exposed yourself as the troll you are.

Hit a nerve .....Coach Wally LOL

 

[marshall23]

Deadspin? Really? Now I know you are both clueless and a liar. Good job. We already know you aren't a football coach. You do realize that OB was Joe's hand picked successor don't you. Note, the lack of a question mark.

There you go making shit up again. Hand picked successor. That's precious.

 

[Wallace Breen]

There you go making shit up again. Hand picked successor. That's precious.

This is where you should shut up and not further demonstrate that you are a clown, but that really isn't your thing so troll away.

 

[marshall23]

This is where you should shut up and not further demonstrate that you are a clown, but that really isn't your thing so troll away.

Joe Paterno Congratulates Bill O'Brien On Penn State Head Coaching Job

According to numerous sources, New England Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien will be the first Penn State University head football coach not named Joe Paterno since 1965. Even though the...

boston.sbnation.com

Joe Paterno, " I don't know Bill....."
Hand picked LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[marshall23]

Maybe not bare but that roster would be only above Rutgers if it were in the B1G East right now.

Really? Barnes, Zettel, Austin Johnson, Hodges Mauti, Urschel,Gary Gilliam, Matt Stankiewicz, Robinson, Stephon Morris, Adrian Amos, Jordan Lucas. Jesse James, Smith, Zordich, Glenn Carson, DaQuan Jones, Mike Hull, McGloin, ......and several others all played in the NFL. Certainly not a roster that should have lost to Ohio.

 

[summitlion1]

Franklin didn't recruit Barkley. He picked up where OB left off.







For a terrible recruiter, he did pretty darn well, especially given his first task was to keep a team and recruiting class together. When you look at top players by position during the Franklin era, OB brought the majority of them in over the 4 classes he impacted. That is a fact. O'Brien gets most of the credit for Barkley, like it or not. He and his staff were better recruiters than Franklin and company, and not by a little bit eitheI





know you hate Franklinr.



Franklin didn't recruit Barkley. He picked up where OB left off.



For a terrible recruiter, he did pretty darn well, especially given his first task was to keep a team and recruiting class together. When you look at top players by position during the Franklin era, OB brought the majority of them in over the 4 classes he impacted. That is a fact. O'Brien gets most of the credit for Barkley, like it or not. He and his staff were better recruiters than Franklin and company, and not by I know you hate Franklin, but let's be real. The 2003 class, that you said was better than any class Franklin brought in, was ranked 33rd.a little bit either.

 

[marshall23]

Bill O'Brien named Texans HC 1/2/14
James Franklin named PSU HC 1/11/14
Saquon Barkley decommits from Rutgers 2/19/14......commits to PSU

 

[marshall23]

BOB recruited Saquon so well that he committed to Rutgers.

 

[Texas Lion]

Really? Barnes, Zettel, Austin Johnson, Hodges Mauti, Urschel,Gary Gilliam, Matt Stankiewicz, Robinson, Stephon Morris, Adrian Amos, Jordan Lucas. Jesse James, Smith, Zordich, Glenn Carson, DaQuan Jones, Mike Hull, McGloin, ......and several others all played in the NFL. Certainly not a roster that should have lost to Ohio.

I get what you are saying but cmon with some of those names.

 

[marshall23]

I get what you are saying but cmon with some of those names.

Simply countering the narrative that this was not a competitive roster.

 

[Lexipsu]

Franklin didn't recruit Barkley. He picked up where OB left off.

For a terrible recruiter, he did pretty darn well, especially given his first task was to keep a team and recruiting class together. When you look at top players by position during the Franklin era, OB brought the majority of them in over the 4 classes he impacted. That is a fact. O'Brien gets most of the credit for Barkley, like it or not. He and his staff were better recruiters than Franklin and company, and not by a little bit either.

You a

 

[Lexipsu]

You are completely wrong! Franklin heavily pursued Barkley while he was at Rutgers! O'Brien had absolutely nothing to do with Barkley period. At least get your facts straight!

 

[lazydave841]

You are completely wrong! Franklin heavily pursued Barkley while he was at Rutgers! O'Brien had absolutely nothing to do with Barkley period. At least get your facts straight!

BOB sent out an offer in October of '13 while Barkley was a Rutgers recruit.

Franklin got Barkley to a junior day in January of '14 and flipped him by February.

 

[LandoComando]

It's not difficult to give O'Brien credit for his time here while acknowledging it was best for all parties that the left when he did. Holding a grudge against him is beyond pathetic. Let's stop pretending people were lining up for this job when he took it.

 

[MacNit07]

Everyone knew except Obrien and a lot of fans on this site.

There are still fans walking around with Jerry is innocent shirts.

I remember the typical excuses like it was not football related and it was outside the NCAA jurisdiction. If everyone knew then why are they still blaming the BOT?

Well, the sanctions were all rescinded and all records were restored…sanctions completely expunged…so there is that!

 

[LandoComando]

Well, the sanctions were all rescinded and all records were restored…sanctions completely expunged…so there is that!

But does that somehow alter the sanctions existed? It was never "a football issue" but we knew they were going to do what they could do destroy us especially with the BOT begging for it.

 

[voltz99]

Franklin didn't recruit Barkley. He picked up where OB left off.

For a terrible recruiter, he did pretty darn well, especially given his first task was to keep a team and recruiting class together. When you look at top players by position during the Franklin era, OB brought the majority of them in over the 4 classes he impacted. That is a fact. O'Brien gets most of the credit for Barkley, like it or not. He and his staff were better recruiters than Franklin and company, and not by a little bit either.

Franklin has done ok for himself too. 11-2 last year. Hack never won more than 7.

 

[4382]

A lot of schools did not want to pay/ have funds for a special teams coach. Paterno didn't, he dived up the duties between the coaches. I called for a special teams coach on this board in the early 2000's and the reply thrown back to me was there wasn't money in the budget for it.

It was NCAA rules. No teams back then special teams coaches because you were limited to only 9 coaches. Not a single school had a dedicated special teams coach. Just like now all the coaches contributed to coaching them.

 

[4382]

Franklin didn't recruit Barkley. He picked up where OB left off.

For a terrible recruiter, he did pretty darn well, especially given his first task was to keep a team and recruiting class together. When you look at top players by position during the Franklin era, OB brought the majority of them in over the 4 classes he impacted. That is a fact. O'Brien gets most of the credit for Barkley, like it or not. He and his staff were better recruiters than Franklin and company, and not by a little bit either.

You do realize that Barkley was still a Rutgers commit when Bill O’Brien took the Texans job? He didn’t flip to Penn State until 2/19/14 when Franklin was the coach. So tell me how is O’Brien responsible for him coming to Penn State? This has to be the dumbest take I have seen right up there with your gem of Hackenberg being the best QB in college football.

4-Star RB Saquon Barkley Commits to Penn State

The rebuilding process is looking promising for new Penn State Nittany Lions head coach James Franklin...

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[Lexipsu]

You do realize that Barkley was still a Rutgers commit when Bill O’Brien took the Texans job? He didn’t flip to Penn State until 2/19/14 when Franklin was the coach. So tell me how is O’Brien responsible for him coming to Penn State? This has to be the dumbest take I have seen right up there with your gem of Hackenberg being the best QB in college football.

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[Lexipsu]

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Exactly!