Doesn't look good for the Lions on this site....
https://bustingbrackets.com/2018/03...ted-field-with-a-week-until-selection-sunday/
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Utah and Bama have a lot of losses playing in two of the biggest joke CBB conferences in the country.
That said, I wouldn’t put much stalk into a site that has Gonzaga a 5 seed being ranked 7th in the nation.
That said, I wouldn’t put much stalk into a site that has Gonzaga a 5 seed being ranked 7th in the nation.
I'd have Gonzaga as a 5 today. Polls mean nothing.
And the SEC is probably a bit better than the B1G (certainly not one of the "biggest joke" conferences).
Let me guess Gonzaga as a 5 and Wichita as 3. Wichita has beaten nobody and even lost to ND and struggled with FGCU.
If Gonzaga wins their conference tourney and beats St Mary’s in the finals they will be a 3 seed.
Nothing happens in a vacuum. But beating St Mary's obviously gives then another big win, probably bumping then to a 4. The WCC really drags both of them down.
Wichita probably a 4 today.
the four letter network has PSU downgraded to "First Four Out"
Last Four IN are Providence (19-12), Louisville (19-12), USC (21-10). and Texas (18-13) with the ACC, Big East, etc . . . tournaments left
Last Four IN are Providence (19-12), Louisville (19-12), USC (21-10). and Texas (18-13) with the ACC, Big East, etc . . . tournaments left
Nice to see Louisville get in with such a squeaky clean program. Leaving them out might send a better message.
Thankfully, it's not part of the selection committee's role to "send messages".
Not at all (though I respect what Padgett has done in picking up the pieces)...just not a fan of people grabbing their pitchforks and giving a sanction that's outside the scope of the NCAA enforcement process (something that does hit close to home for me).
What message is that? Should we add a virtue and integrity index on top of quadrant wins and kenpom rankings? People have this romantic vision that, “oh if we could just get rid of a few rotten apples, we’d have a return to true amateur college athletics...”
Ain’t happening.
How about the message that bubble teams who had their coach fired due to hiring prostitutes won’t get into the tournament? How’s that for a message? If people want to clean up college athletics, how about holding programs to certain standards? But by all means they should reward cheating. They use all kinds of other subjective criteria to decide who gets in, why not add one?
The truth is ESPN are not that good at predicting in this range. We have a better set of wins than Texas does. I would not rule us out yet
Texas has 6 Quadrant 1 wins to our 3 (all over the same team). They've got wins over Butler on a neutral, in Alabama, TCU, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Oklahoma St at home, and a win at Oklahoma. All of those are better wins than anything we have over a team not named Ohio State. I don't see how you can think that we've got better wins than they've got.
Your criticism of Wichita State ---- huh????
Wichita has won at Cincinnati, has a home win over Houston (a legit Top 25 type team), and has multiple road wins over Top 75 RPI teams (Baylor, OK State, UCF, Tulsa).
They lost by 1 point on a neutral court to Notre Dame when Notre Dame still had Bonzie Colson. Notre Dame's a considerably better team w/ Colson than without. That Notre Dame loss is not a bad loss.
And they beat FGCU. Who cares if they struggled? Outside a home loss to SMU, they have no bad losses.
Wichita State is 17th in the Kenpom rankings - and if they win the AAC Tourney, they may be a #3 seed. And they will deserve that seed.
I have to agree with Erial_Lion on this one. Penn State's OOC schedule wasn't very good. Then, they didn't do well enough in conference play against the top teams in the conference, other than OSU, to make up for a lack of marquee non-conference wins. Their resume and schedule should be good enough to get them into the NIT, but I don't see how they will get into the NCAA tourney over any Power 5 team with a pulse.
This
Nice to see someone else be attacked for "being a fan of other teams" simply because they're honest
None of those wins come close to beating a team like Ohio State 3x.. I just never understood ever how beating 12-13 loss teams are considered "good wins"
Oklahoma State isn't in the tourney as of now, OU is on a downward spiral, Bama has like 14 losses, and Butler is not like the Stevens Butler teams.
I am sorry, but again I just don't understand this notion that conferences like the American, Big East, West Coast, Atlantic 10 are even in the same ballpark as the Big Ten, ACC, Big 12. Teams like Witchita State have a few good wins, but how many actual good teams do they play in conference play? 2? Penn Stats has to deal with Purdue, Michigan State, Ohio State, Michigan, and teams better then Houston, SMU, Tulsa on a nightly bases.
We've proven we can beat 1 quality team. One. The resumes aren't even close. The fact you don't look past win-loss to see how the reached that record is terrifying.
Beating that one quality team who could be an elite eight team 3x is better than beating Bama, Oklahoma State, and Butler.
No, it isn't. It's a matchup. And you thinks Ohio State looks like an elite eight team right now? Absolutely no one
Someone that thinks the Big Ten is better than the Big East this season I guess. (Or even "in the same ballpark", Lol)
Ah Nate. You're becoming an elitist. Our problem was not MSU, or OSU, or Michigan. It was losing to Minnesota (4-14 in conference) by 9 at home. It was losing to Northwestern (6-12) by 9. Our RPI is 76. Wichita State's RPI is 12. Now, I know the RPI is not the be all and end all, but 76 vs 12? Despite your bad mouthing their schedule, their Strength of Schedule is 37. Ours is 74. Their Power Ranking is 10. Ours is 77. I have said before, I have not watched any games but our own. I rely on numbers. It seems every time someone bring up a team that is less worthy than Penn State, the numbers say otherwise. We don't deserve to get in over Wichita State, or St. Bonaventure, or most anyone else. If we do, it will not be on merit. Going forward, if we want to get into the NCAA's, we need a better out of conference schedule, we need to beat teams in conference that are below .500, or, as an alternative, we need to schedule OSU 32 times.
Yeah, the Big Ten is awful this year outside those top 4 teams....really disappointing
The Big East is ranked as the 2nd best conference in 2018 and will send 6 teams out of 10 to the NCAA tournament - again... and one of either Marquette or Butler will be just outside looking in. The B1G is ranked 6th this year - just ahead of the American. How many B1G teams get in this year? 4 out of 14?
Not only did PSU not schedule marque OOC games, but they have at least one very bad loss OOC. Just like football in some respects, if you don't schedule much OOC then you for sure can't look bad against the cupcakes.
Unless you are in the SEC in football, like Auburn looking bad against Mercer, and still in the playoff with multiple losses.....
Big Ten is only getting 4 in, but those 4 all have a much better shot at winning it then Creighton, Providence, Seton Hall, or Butler.
Just cause a conference gets more teams in doesn’t mean it’s better. The old Big East proved this. We will see who’s left come sweet 16 and so on.
I'm a UC Bearcat fan .... so I watch more American Conference Basketball than most.
And I'm taking Cincinnati, Wichita State and Houston to all win at least 1 NCAA game. Those teams may not be elite. But they are legitimately good.
Houston --- many people scoff at them (you included). But if Houston played us in a hypothetical neutral-court game, and the Vegas odds-makers put up a line of "even" --- I'd guarantee that 95% of the Wiseguys would be taking Houston. We're a Top 40 type team, which is good. But Houston is a Top 20 type team.
But back to the American. Tulsa, SMU, Temple and UCF - they're a decent enough 2nd tier. NIT type teams.
Memphis and Connecticut are well below historical norms now, of course. And teams like ECU and South Florida bring nothing to the table. But overall - it's about the 6th best conference in hoops (behind ACC, SEC, B1G, Big XII and Big East). Definitely ahead of the Pac-12. Nothing overall wrong with that.
It has been a nice year for the AAC. I liked UCF as an under the radar squad until Tacko Fall got hurt, and they never really recovered.
I love this Cincy team, sitting on a future on them to win it all from early in the year. That game yesterday was an Elite 8 caliber game and they played so well to pull it out in a tough environment.
I do think the Pac 12 is better as a whole, but not by a lot. The top/middle of both conferences could go toe to toe, but those real dogs at the bottom of the AAC hurt the overall strength.
I love this Cincy team, sitting on a future on them to win it all from early in the year. That game yesterday was an Elite 8 caliber game and they played so well to pull it out in a tough environment.
I do think the Pac 12 is better as a whole, but not by a lot. The top/middle of both conferences could go toe to toe, but those real dogs at the bottom of the AAC hurt the overall strength.
