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I just watched the Brands Interview (Press Conference) on Flo , I actually felt bad for him. I know we are all excited how the finals went last night and in my opinion you could feel how upset Brands was. I felt the tension from his answers, that one "He healed a lot of hearts just by winning a wrestling match" then what felt like a forced "Good Job" It came across to me as pretending to be happy when all the physical cues say otherwise.

I feel bad for him actually, because it should have been a very positive Interview and it seemed like he could not allow himself to enjoy it, they are National Champions for the first time in over a decade. I get wanting more out of the finals but it was, in my opinion, in his emotion/Mind to much. He looked annoyed??

I know I am biased, I pick on him, but have no real malice in my heart or anything....Did anyone else see the interview? Am I off base here?? Also what do you make of his "this program has never redshirted its best team" Wow Cael is in his head rent free
 
...Spencer and Brands didn’t appear very chummy after his last match ... it was almost like he was saying, “Thank God it’s over!”...
...the Iowa kids just don’t seem like they’re having fun - more like they’re scared or angry... just the opposite of our kids...definitely a reflection of the coaching staff...
.. but thas jes my opinion... :)
 
I have not seen the interview, but I have been with Cael after his last four championships, and can imagine there's a bit of commonality in how all coaches feel.

The coaches spend an enormous amount of energy and time with these young men, and it ends with a single win or loss in a wrestling bout. It's bittersweet to say the least, when one of your wrestlers wins and another doesn't, and then there's the whole team dynamic. Cael won't let you see it often, but he's genuinely empathizing WITH the wrestlers, and sometimes it feels good, sometimes it doesn't. That's life, and that's wrestling.

Some will make cracks about Terry Brands, Tom Ryan, and Mark Manning and others, about their demeanor, as examples, but make no mistake about their feelings about their wrestlers. It's not unlike Cael's, and is one aspect of being a good coach.
 
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I have not seen the interview, but I have been with Cael after his last four championships, and can imagine there's a bit of commonality in how all coaches feel.

The coaches spend an enormous amount of energy and time with these young men, and it ends with a single win or loss in a wrestling bout. It's bittersweet to say the least, when one of your wrestlers wins and another doesn't, and then there's the whole team dynamic. Cael won't let you see it often, but he's genuinely empathizing WITH the wrestlers, and sometimes it feels good, sometimes it doesn't. That's life, and that's wrestling.

Some will make cracks about Terry Brands, Tom Ryan, and Mark Manning and others, about their demeador, as examples, but make no mistake about their feelings about their wrestlers. It's not unlike Cael's, and is one aspect of being a good coach.
You always provide value imo.
 
Wrestling is unlike other sports in that the team can win and at the same time a coach’s individual athletes can have their dreams crushed. It’s a very fine line to walk ...
Lets not forget about OUR guys who didnt win it all. Having raised two wrestlers, I know their pain.
These guys can scream and holler while our fab four take titles,but they are hurting inside. God bless them all.
 
I have not seen the interview, but I have been with Cael after his last four championships, and can imagine there's a bit of commonality in how all coaches feel.

The coaches spend an enormous amount of energy and time with these young men, and it ends with a single win or loss in a wrestling bout. It's bittersweet to say the least, when one of your wrestlers wins and another doesn't, and then there's the whole team dynamic. Cael won't let you see it often, but he's genuinely empathizing WITH the wrestlers, and sometimes it feels good, sometimes it doesn't. That's life, and that's wrestling.

Some will make cracks about Terry Brands, Tom Ryan, and Mark Manning and others, about their demeanor, as examples, but make no mistake about their feelings about their wrestlers. It's not unlike Cael's, and is one aspect of being a good coach.
Cael has talked bout this at length.... it is almost always bittersweet because someone didn’t achieve their goals. Could he be 100% celebratory for winning the team championship just minutes after David Taylor lost a heartbreaker to Dake and Cael was likely second guessing a decision to take down? I forget what year it was that PSU that PSU won their last 11 matches in the medal rounds... I think Cael said that was his favorite year because almost everyone ended on a high note.

As much fun as being in Pittsburgh was 2 years ago you felt bad for Cenzo and Mark Hall and even the Nolf win felt a little hollow because the semis was so controversial.

If you are inclined to feel bad for Brands and Iowa fans because the night was bittersweet and PSU stole some of their thunder, there is plenty of reason to.
 
While I can understand the finals being bittersweet for him and all coaches, I disagree. It wasn't just the finals, he was acting that way earlier. If you watched either of Desanto's last 2 matches you get a good idea of the differences between Iowa's and Penn State's coaches.

Not one word of congratulations after he teched his guy to get to the consolation finals, nor after he won 3rd and basically locked up the points for the team race. Just an in your face lecture. Same with Lee.

To me it comes off less like he's upset for his kids that didn't do well and more like he's upset because they didn't meet his expectations.
 
I have not seen the interview, but I have been with Cael after his last four championships, and can imagine there's a bit of commonality in how all coaches feel.

The coaches spend an enormous amount of energy and time with these young men, and it ends with a single win or loss in a wrestling bout. It's bittersweet to say the least, when one of your wrestlers wins and another doesn't, and then there's the whole team dynamic. Cael won't let you see it often, but he's genuinely empathizing WITH the wrestlers, and sometimes it feels good, sometimes it doesn't. That's life, and that's wrestling.

Some will make cracks about Terry Brands, Tom Ryan, and Mark Manning and others, about their demeanor, as examples, but make no mistake about their feelings about their wrestlers. It's not unlike Cael's, and is one aspect of being a good coach.
Great perspective, I did not think about it on these terms....but you do need to see the interview because although I totally agree with you, this did feel deeper than that unless my bias is just to strong (Very real possibility)
 
Brands was bummed because of the Eierman and Kemerer bouts. No don’t and I get it. I’ve been dropped a notch with DTs, Bo’s, Hall’s, and Cenzo’s losses.
 
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I watched the interview.

No doubt that there is some pride, relief, joy, and validation that the Hawks won the team title. Tom Brands grew up in Iowa; as an Iowa wrestling and Dan Gable fan; was a 3x champ for Iowa; assistant coach to both Gable and Zelesky at Iowa; and took on a lot when he left Va Tech to return to Iowa, and probably felt a sense of duty to the 3-4 guys who lost a year of eligibility for leaving Tech for Iowa. I can only think of one other coach (John Smith) in any sport- college or pro- who has so much of their life invested into the program they coach. Tom Brands really appears to welcome the heavy responsibility of delivering NCAA Championships to the wrestlers and fans of Iowa wrestling. And he did that - so there has to be some deep satisfaction, especially considering that they had to take the title from the other two programs and coaches that Iowa considers their peers (Ok State and Penn State). But, you could see it in his body language and hear it in his words that he is also feeling the emotional effects of the weekend.

I think most of us can agree that Tom Brands appears to get as emotionally-invested in his athletes, their matches, and the program as any coach out there. Not even knowing all of things that are going on behind the scenes, here are a few things- none of which are related to Penn State or Penn State going 4-for-4 in finals- that could certainly weigh heavy on him, even during a time of great achievement, that he is dealing with himself but also having to help each one of his athletes deal with:

- Two out of three finalists lost OT heartbreakers - as a coach, this has to hurt you because there's no doubt that it hurts the athletes. If they feel like they failed, then he feels like he failed because he is there to help them win those matches.
- Eierman transfers out of his home state program into Iowa, bumps Murin up (resulting in Murin not making AA), to finally win a title as a senior at the school he always dreamed of wrestling for, then loses in OT to a guy he beat two weeks ago. No doubt that Eierman is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- 6th-year senior Kemmerer, who showed faith in Iowa and was the first Young Guns wrestler to make the commitment to the Hawks and helped change the culture, does everything right throughout his career but loses in OT to a freshman he beat handily two weeks ago. No doubt that Kemmerer is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- One of the guys who also seems to do everything right and has had great success his entire Hawk career but has had disappointing NCAA tourneys, Marinelli, comes into the tourney as the #1 seed AGAIN, only to be upset AGAIN early in the tournament. Whether injured physically or emotionally, the pain is enough to have Marinelli withdraw from the tournament - probably a hugely troubling thing for a coach like Tom Brands to handle. Don't forget the heartbreak that Marinelli had to deal with only a year or two ago when his best friend died in a car wreck on his way to Iowa to witness the surprise engagement of Marinelli to the friend's sister, who also happens to be an Iowa wrestling manager. No doubt that Marinelli, a 5th year senior, is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- Austin DeSanto, who appears to be well-liked by his teammates for his work ethic and intensity, transfers into Iowa with a dark cloud as a result of his behavior, a short leash for bad behavior, and a bright spotlight on how the coaches would manage him. DeSanto has a huge tournament with a 3rd place finish and lots of bonus points, but has a WTF moment that leads to Iowa coaches having to ban him from coming back to the arena to accept his individual award or be part of the team award for fear of the wrestler being ejected and losing all of the team points he earned and costing Iowa the team title. That had to be a hard conversation for Brands to have and a hard thing for DeSanto to have to accept.
- His nephew, Nelson Brands, falls short of his goals and is one of only three wrestlers not to reach All American status - the other being Marinelli, who withdrew after his upset loss; and Murin, who was forced to bump up from his AA weight due to Eierman transferring in.
- Gable- who Brands has idolized all of his life- not being at the Championships for the first time in, probably, 55ish years (pretty sure I heard Gibbons mention that Gable was watching on TV from Florida).

Any one of those things on its own could take some of the luster off the 1st place trophy and subdue the celebration a bit.

Wrestling isn't like other sports due to the individual nature of the National Tournament - any one player in baseball, football, basketball, etc can have a bad game but still feel just as happy about the team championship as the players who had a great game. But wrestling...the goals of the guys at the top programs are individual championships first, which will help their team achieve success. Although the team can still achieve that success, the wrestler still feels the pain of falling short of reaching their goal and, in a weird way have a feeling of failing the dreams and sacrifices of themselves, family, coaches, etc. Sure, Tom Brands is a coach, but he'll always be a wrestler and he'll likely always see the NCAA Wrestling Championship Tournament through this lens. As he mentioned in the interview, unless they finish with 10 champs, he's going to feel some disappointment because he's going to have the guys he cares about feeling disappointed.

Sorry for such a looooonnnngggg post but it's just a very wordy way of saying that Penn State going 4-for-4 probably isn't the thing that had Tom Brands looking not as happy as some would expect the coach of the newly crowned NCAA Champ to look.
 
I watched the interview.

No doubt that there is some pride, relief, joy, and validation that the Hawks won the team title. Tom Brands grew up in Iowa; as an Iowa wrestling and Dan Gable fan; was a 3x champ for Iowa; assistant coach to both Gable and Zelesky at Iowa; and took on a lot when he left Va Tech to return to Iowa, and probably felt a sense of duty to the 3-4 guys who lost a year of eligibility for leaving Tech for Iowa. I can only think of one other coach (John Smith) in any sport- college or pro- who has so much of their life invested into the program they coach. Tom Brands really appears to welcome the heavy responsibility of delivering NCAA Championships to the wrestlers and fans of Iowa wrestling. And he did that - so there has to be some deep satisfaction, especially considering that they had to take the title from the other two programs and coaches that Iowa considers their peers (Ok State and Penn State). But, you could see it in his body language and hear it in his words that he is also feeling the emotional effects of the weekend.

I think most of us can agree that Tom Brands appears to get as emotionally-invested in his athletes, their matches, and the program as any coach out there. Not even knowing all of things that are going on behind the scenes, here are a few things- none of which are related to Penn State or Penn State going 4-for-4 in finals- that could certainly weigh heavy on him, even during a time of great achievement, that he is dealing with himself but also having to help each one of his athletes deal with:

- Two out of three finalists lost OT heartbreakers - as a coach, this has to hurt you because there's no doubt that it hurts the athletes. If they feel like they failed, then he feels like he failed because he is there to help them win those matches.
- Eierman transfers out of his home state program into Iowa, bumps Murin up (resulting in Murin not making AA), to finally win a title as a senior at the school he always dreamed of wrestling for, then loses in OT to a guy he beat two weeks ago. No doubt that Eierman is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- 6th-year senior Kemmerer, who showed faith in Iowa and was the first Young Guns wrestler to make the commitment to the Hawks and helped change the culture, does everything right throughout his career but loses in OT to a freshman he beat handily two weeks ago. No doubt that Kemmerer is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- One of the guys who also seems to do everything right and has had great success his entire Hawk career but has had disappointing NCAA tourneys, Marinelli, comes into the tourney as the #1 seed AGAIN, only to be upset AGAIN early in the tournament. Whether injured physically or emotionally, the pain is enough to have Marinelli withdraw from the tournament - probably a hugely troubling thing for a coach like Tom Brands to handle. Don't forget the heartbreak that Marinelli had to deal with only a year or two ago when his best friend died in a car wreck on his way to Iowa to witness the surprise engagement of Marinelli to the friend's sister, who also happens to be an Iowa wrestling manager. No doubt that Marinelli, a 5th year senior, is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- Austin DeSanto, who appears to be well-liked by his teammates for his work ethic and intensity, transfers into Iowa with a dark cloud as a result of his behavior, a short leash for bad behavior, and a bright spotlight on how the coaches would manage him. DeSanto has a huge tournament with a 3rd place finish and lots of bonus points, but has a WTF moment that leads to Iowa coaches having to ban him from coming back to the arena to accept his individual award or be part of the team award for fear of the wrestler being ejected and losing all of the team points he earned and costing Iowa the team title. That had to be a hard conversation for Brands to have and a hard thing for DeSanto to have to accept.
- His nephew, Nelson Brands, falls short of his goals and is one of only three wrestlers not to reach All American status - the other being Marinelli, who withdrew after his upset loss; and Murin, who was forced to bump up from his AA weight due to Eierman transferring in.
- Gable- who Brands has idolized all of his life- not being at the Championships for the first time in, probably, 55ish years (pretty sure I heard Gibbons mention that Gable was watching on TV from Florida).

Any one of those things on its own could take some of the luster off the 1st place trophy and subdue the celebration a bit.

Wrestling isn't like other sports due to the individual nature of the National Tournament - any one player in baseball, football, basketball, etc can have a bad game but still feel just as happy about the team championship as the players who had a great game. But wrestling...the goals of the guys at the top programs are individual championships first, which will help their team achieve success. Although the team can still achieve that success, the wrestler still feels the pain of falling short of reaching their goal and, in a weird way have a feeling of failing the dreams and sacrifices of themselves, family, coaches, etc. Sure, Tom Brands is a coach, but he'll always be a wrestler and he'll likely always see the NCAA Wrestling Championship Tournament through this lens. As he mentioned in the interview, unless they finish with 10 champs, he's going to feel some disappointment because he's going to have the guys he cares about feeling disappointed.

Sorry for such a looooonnnngggg post but it's just a very wordy way of saying that Penn State going 4-for-4 probably isn't the thing that had Tom Brands looking not as happy as some would expect the coach of the newly crowned NCAA Champ to look.
DeSanto is an ass.
 
DeSanto is an ass.
Very funny way to follow the long, impressive post! :)

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I watched the interview.

No doubt that there is some pride, relief, joy, and validation that the Hawks won the team title. Tom Brands grew up in Iowa; as an Iowa wrestling and Dan Gable fan; was a 3x champ for Iowa; assistant coach to both Gable and Zelesky at Iowa; and took on a lot when he left Va Tech to return to Iowa, and probably felt a sense of duty to the 3-4 guys who lost a year of eligibility for leaving Tech for Iowa. I can only think of one other coach (John Smith) in any sport- college or pro- who has so much of their life invested into the program they coach. Tom Brands really appears to welcome the heavy responsibility of delivering NCAA Championships to the wrestlers and fans of Iowa wrestling. And he did that - so there has to be some deep satisfaction, especially considering that they had to take the title from the other two programs and coaches that Iowa considers their peers (Ok State and Penn State). But, you could see it in his body language and hear it in his words that he is also feeling the emotional effects of the weekend.

I think most of us can agree that Tom Brands appears to get as emotionally-invested in his athletes, their matches, and the program as any coach out there. Not even knowing all of things that are going on behind the scenes, here are a few things- none of which are related to Penn State or Penn State going 4-for-4 in finals- that could certainly weigh heavy on him, even during a time of great achievement, that he is dealing with himself but also having to help each one of his athletes deal with:

- Two out of three finalists lost OT heartbreakers - as a coach, this has to hurt you because there's no doubt that it hurts the athletes. If they feel like they failed, then he feels like he failed because he is there to help them win those matches.
- Eierman transfers out of his home state program into Iowa, bumps Murin up (resulting in Murin not making AA), to finally win a title as a senior at the school he always dreamed of wrestling for, then loses in OT to a guy he beat two weeks ago. No doubt that Eierman is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- 6th-year senior Kemmerer, who showed faith in Iowa and was the first Young Guns wrestler to make the commitment to the Hawks and helped change the culture, does everything right throughout his career but loses in OT to a freshman he beat handily two weeks ago. No doubt that Kemmerer is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- One of the guys who also seems to do everything right and has had great success his entire Hawk career but has had disappointing NCAA tourneys, Marinelli, comes into the tourney as the #1 seed AGAIN, only to be upset AGAIN early in the tournament. Whether injured physically or emotionally, the pain is enough to have Marinelli withdraw from the tournament - probably a hugely troubling thing for a coach like Tom Brands to handle. Don't forget the heartbreak that Marinelli had to deal with only a year or two ago when his best friend died in a car wreck on his way to Iowa to witness the surprise engagement of Marinelli to the friend's sister, who also happens to be an Iowa wrestling manager. No doubt that Marinelli, a 5th year senior, is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- Austin DeSanto, who appears to be well-liked by his teammates for his work ethic and intensity, transfers into Iowa with a dark cloud as a result of his behavior, a short leash for bad behavior, and a bright spotlight on how the coaches would manage him. DeSanto has a huge tournament with a 3rd place finish and lots of bonus points, but has a WTF moment that leads to Iowa coaches having to ban him from coming back to the arena to accept his individual award or be part of the team award for fear of the wrestler being ejected and losing all of the team points he earned and costing Iowa the team title. That had to be a hard conversation for Brands to have and a hard thing for DeSanto to have to accept.
- His nephew, Nelson Brands, falls short of his goals and is one of only three wrestlers not to reach All American status - the other being Marinelli, who withdrew after his upset loss; and Murin, who was forced to bump up from his AA weight due to Eierman transferring in.
- Gable- who Brands has idolized all of his life- not being at the Championships for the first time in, probably, 55ish years (pretty sure I heard Gibbons mention that Gable was watching on TV from Florida).

Any one of those things on its own could take some of the luster off the 1st place trophy and subdue the celebration a bit.

Wrestling isn't like other sports due to the individual nature of the National Tournament - any one player in baseball, football, basketball, etc can have a bad game but still feel just as happy about the team championship as the players who had a great game. But wrestling...the goals of the guys at the top programs are individual championships first, which will help their team achieve success. Although the team can still achieve that success, the wrestler still feels the pain of falling short of reaching their goal and, in a weird way have a feeling of failing the dreams and sacrifices of themselves, family, coaches, etc. Sure, Tom Brands is a coach, but he'll always be a wrestler and he'll likely always see the NCAA Wrestling Championship Tournament through this lens. As he mentioned in the interview, unless they finish with 10 champs, he's going to feel some disappointment because he's going to have the guys he cares about feeling disappointed.

Sorry for such a looooonnnngggg post but it's just a very wordy way of saying that Penn State going 4-for-4 probably isn't the thing that had Tom Brands looking not as happy as some would expect the coach of the newly crowned NCAA Champ to look.
we will never redshirt our best team... wonder if he meant anything by that?
 
I watched the interview.

No doubt that there is some pride, relief, joy, and validation that the Hawks won the team title. Tom Brands grew up in Iowa; as an Iowa wrestling and Dan Gable fan; was a 3x champ for Iowa; assistant coach to both Gable and Zelesky at Iowa; and took on a lot when he left Va Tech to return to Iowa, and probably felt a sense of duty to the 3-4 guys who lost a year of eligibility for leaving Tech for Iowa. I can only think of one other coach (John Smith) in any sport- college or pro- who has so much of their life invested into the program they coach. Tom Brands really appears to welcome the heavy responsibility of delivering NCAA Championships to the wrestlers and fans of Iowa wrestling. And he did that - so there has to be some deep satisfaction, especially considering that they had to take the title from the other two programs and coaches that Iowa considers their peers (Ok State and Penn State). But, you could see it in his body language and hear it in his words that he is also feeling the emotional effects of the weekend.

I think most of us can agree that Tom Brands appears to get as emotionally-invested in his athletes, their matches, and the program as any coach out there. Not even knowing all of things that are going on behind the scenes, here are a few things- none of which are related to Penn State or Penn State going 4-for-4 in finals- that could certainly weigh heavy on him, even during a time of great achievement, that he is dealing with himself but also having to help each one of his athletes deal with:

- Two out of three finalists lost OT heartbreakers - as a coach, this has to hurt you because there's no doubt that it hurts the athletes. If they feel like they failed, then he feels like he failed because he is there to help them win those matches.
- Eierman transfers out of his home state program into Iowa, bumps Murin up (resulting in Murin not making AA), to finally win a title as a senior at the school he always dreamed of wrestling for, then loses in OT to a guy he beat two weeks ago. No doubt that Eierman is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- 6th-year senior Kemmerer, who showed faith in Iowa and was the first Young Guns wrestler to make the commitment to the Hawks and helped change the culture, does everything right throughout his career but loses in OT to a freshman he beat handily two weeks ago. No doubt that Kemmerer is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- One of the guys who also seems to do everything right and has had great success his entire Hawk career but has had disappointing NCAA tourneys, Marinelli, comes into the tourney as the #1 seed AGAIN, only to be upset AGAIN early in the tournament. Whether injured physically or emotionally, the pain is enough to have Marinelli withdraw from the tournament - probably a hugely troubling thing for a coach like Tom Brands to handle. Don't forget the heartbreak that Marinelli had to deal with only a year or two ago when his best friend died in a car wreck on his way to Iowa to witness the surprise engagement of Marinelli to the friend's sister, who also happens to be an Iowa wrestling manager. No doubt that Marinelli, a 5th year senior, is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- Austin DeSanto, who appears to be well-liked by his teammates for his work ethic and intensity, transfers into Iowa with a dark cloud as a result of his behavior, a short leash for bad behavior, and a bright spotlight on how the coaches would manage him. DeSanto has a huge tournament with a 3rd place finish and lots of bonus points, but has a WTF moment that leads to Iowa coaches having to ban him from coming back to the arena to accept his individual award or be part of the team award for fear of the wrestler being ejected and losing all of the team points he earned and costing Iowa the team title. That had to be a hard conversation for Brands to have and a hard thing for DeSanto to have to accept.
- His nephew, Nelson Brands, falls short of his goals and is one of only three wrestlers not to reach All American status - the other being Marinelli, who withdrew after his upset loss; and Murin, who was forced to bump up from his AA weight due to Eierman transferring in.
- Gable- who Brands has idolized all of his life- not being at the Championships for the first time in, probably, 55ish years (pretty sure I heard Gibbons mention that Gable was watching on TV from Florida).

Any one of those things on its own could take some of the luster off the 1st place trophy and subdue the celebration a bit.

Wrestling isn't like other sports due to the individual nature of the National Tournament - any one player in baseball, football, basketball, etc can have a bad game but still feel just as happy about the team championship as the players who had a great game. But wrestling...the goals of the guys at the top programs are individual championships first, which will help their team achieve success. Although the team can still achieve that success, the wrestler still feels the pain of falling short of reaching their goal and, in a weird way have a feeling of failing the dreams and sacrifices of themselves, family, coaches, etc. Sure, Tom Brands is a coach, but he'll always be a wrestler and he'll likely always see the NCAA Wrestling Championship Tournament through this lens. As he mentioned in the interview, unless they finish with 10 champs, he's going to feel some disappointment because he's going to have the guys he cares about feeling disappointed.

Sorry for such a looooonnnngggg post but it's just a very wordy way of saying that Penn State going 4-for-4 probably isn't the thing that had Tom Brands looking not as happy as some would expect the coach of the newly crowned NCAA Champ to look.
Very well said, so then the question becomes what is the right balance. Because I doubt you think feeling negative for to long after what most would consider a success is good on the psyche of most people. Not reaching a goal is disappointing, not being able to outwardly enjoy a National Championship because of that is another thing entirely.

I admit, this level of success and talent is beyond anything I could ever have achieved. i also imagine to be this great at something requires a level of commitment and dedication that very few people have and maybe that is why my emotional sensitivities can't wrap my head around it entirely. And why I could never have achieved it.

But I am a pretty good people person, I would think making your team feel a sense of accomplishment even in failure is better overall for the Psyche of most people than letting the negative dominate your feelings/actions and decisions. Even if you are trying to be empathetic to your Athletes.

Edit- I could be wrong, Brands knows more about building up champions than I ever could...Maybe thats how Champions are made depending on the personality
 
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Is his interview anywhere other than Flo? I couldn’t find an interview, even on the UI athletics site.
 
I watched the interview.

No doubt that there is some pride, relief, joy, and validation that the Hawks won the team title. Tom Brands grew up in Iowa; as an Iowa wrestling and Dan Gable fan; was a 3x champ for Iowa; assistant coach to both Gable and Zelesky at Iowa; and took on a lot when he left Va Tech to return to Iowa, and probably felt a sense of duty to the 3-4 guys who lost a year of eligibility for leaving Tech for Iowa. I can only think of one other coach (John Smith) in any sport- college or pro- who has so much of their life invested into the program they coach. Tom Brands really appears to welcome the heavy responsibility of delivering NCAA Championships to the wrestlers and fans of Iowa wrestling. And he did that - so there has to be some deep satisfaction, especially considering that they had to take the title from the other two programs and coaches that Iowa considers their peers (Ok State and Penn State). But, you could see it in his body language and hear it in his words that he is also feeling the emotional effects of the weekend.

I think most of us can agree that Tom Brands appears to get as emotionally-invested in his athletes, their matches, and the program as any coach out there. Not even knowing all of things that are going on behind the scenes, here are a few things- none of which are related to Penn State or Penn State going 4-for-4 in finals- that could certainly weigh heavy on him, even during a time of great achievement, that he is dealing with himself but also having to help each one of his athletes deal with:

- Two out of three finalists lost OT heartbreakers - as a coach, this has to hurt you because there's no doubt that it hurts the athletes. If they feel like they failed, then he feels like he failed because he is there to help them win those matches.
- Eierman transfers out of his home state program into Iowa, bumps Murin up (resulting in Murin not making AA), to finally win a title as a senior at the school he always dreamed of wrestling for, then loses in OT to a guy he beat two weeks ago. No doubt that Eierman is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- 6th-year senior Kemmerer, who showed faith in Iowa and was the first Young Guns wrestler to make the commitment to the Hawks and helped change the culture, does everything right throughout his career but loses in OT to a freshman he beat handily two weeks ago. No doubt that Kemmerer is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- One of the guys who also seems to do everything right and has had great success his entire Hawk career but has had disappointing NCAA tourneys, Marinelli, comes into the tourney as the #1 seed AGAIN, only to be upset AGAIN early in the tournament. Whether injured physically or emotionally, the pain is enough to have Marinelli withdraw from the tournament - probably a hugely troubling thing for a coach like Tom Brands to handle. Don't forget the heartbreak that Marinelli had to deal with only a year or two ago when his best friend died in a car wreck on his way to Iowa to witness the surprise engagement of Marinelli to the friend's sister, who also happens to be an Iowa wrestling manager. No doubt that Marinelli, a 5th year senior, is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- Austin DeSanto, who appears to be well-liked by his teammates for his work ethic and intensity, transfers into Iowa with a dark cloud as a result of his behavior, a short leash for bad behavior, and a bright spotlight on how the coaches would manage him. DeSanto has a huge tournament with a 3rd place finish and lots of bonus points, but has a WTF moment that leads to Iowa coaches having to ban him from coming back to the arena to accept his individual award or be part of the team award for fear of the wrestler being ejected and losing all of the team points he earned and costing Iowa the team title. That had to be a hard conversation for Brands to have and a hard thing for DeSanto to have to accept.
- His nephew, Nelson Brands, falls short of his goals and is one of only three wrestlers not to reach All American status - the other being Marinelli, who withdrew after his upset loss; and Murin, who was forced to bump up from his AA weight due to Eierman transferring in.
- Gable- who Brands has idolized all of his life- not being at the Championships for the first time in, probably, 55ish years (pretty sure I heard Gibbons mention that Gable was watching on TV from Florida).

Any one of those things on its own could take some of the luster off the 1st place trophy and subdue the celebration a bit.

Wrestling isn't like other sports due to the individual nature of the National Tournament - any one player in baseball, football, basketball, etc can have a bad game but still feel just as happy about the team championship as the players who had a great game. But wrestling...the goals of the guys at the top programs are individual championships first, which will help their team achieve success. Although the team can still achieve that success, the wrestler still feels the pain of falling short of reaching their goal and, in a weird way have a feeling of failing the dreams and sacrifices of themselves, family, coaches, etc. Sure, Tom Brands is a coach, but he'll always be a wrestler and he'll likely always see the NCAA Wrestling Championship Tournament through this lens. As he mentioned in the interview, unless they finish with 10 champs, he's going to feel some disappointment because he's going to have the guys he cares about feeling disappointed.

Sorry for such a looooonnnngggg post but it's just a very wordy way of saying that Penn State going 4-for-4 probably isn't the thing that had Tom Brands looking not as happy as some would expect the coach of the newly crowned NCAA Champ to look.
Well said. Thank you.
 
I just watched the Brands Interview (Press Conference) on Flo , I actually felt bad for him. I know we are all excited how the finals went last night and in my opinion you could feel how upset Brands was. I felt the tension from his answers, that one "He healed a lot of hearts just by winning a wrestling match" then what felt like a forced "Good Job" It came across to me as pretending to be happy when all the physical cues say otherwise.

I feel bad for him actually, because it should have been a very positive Interview and it seemed like he could not allow himself to enjoy it, they are National Champions for the first time in over a decade. I get wanting more out of the finals but it was, in my opinion, in his emotion/Mind to much. He looked annoyed??

I know I am biased, I pick on him, but have no real malice in my heart or anything....Did anyone else see the interview? Am I off base here?? Also what do you make of his "this program has never redshirted its best team" Wow Cael is in his head rent free

The Brands are wound way too tight and I think it has to have an impact on some of their wrestlers. I always see them barking in the ears of their guys coming off of the mats (win or lose). Cael and crew normally pat the wrestlers on the back. Kem and Eierman didn't seem to have a hole lot of energy last night (specifically Kem) which is surprising since they had all day to recover from the weigh in. Penn State won the night last night. There is know way anyone can deny that. To go 4 for 4 and win two head to head matches against Iowa (one being a pretty big underdog) had to take some of the luster off of the team championship. I think they realized that they lost a huge opportunity to showcase that Iowa was back on top and Tom knows it. That was a really weird interview for a coach that just won the team title.
 
Plus Brands has to feel a freight train rolling down the tracks on his tail, given the makeup of the respective rosters in terms of remaining eligibility.
I think the train he senses is named Spencer. Iowa, after 11 years and the first without a double recruiting class, finally wins a team title and it is all because Spencer came to Iowa. No matter Spencer is the reason, not either Brands, but dang - how long after Spencer retires from competition is it before Gable shows Brands the Zalesky door?
 
I watched the interview.

No doubt that there is some pride, relief, joy, and validation that the Hawks won the team title. Tom Brands grew up in Iowa; as an Iowa wrestling and Dan Gable fan; was a 3x champ for Iowa; assistant coach to both Gable and Zelesky at Iowa; and took on a lot when he left Va Tech to return to Iowa, and probably felt a sense of duty to the 3-4 guys who lost a year of eligibility for leaving Tech for Iowa. I can only think of one other coach (John Smith) in any sport- college or pro- who has so much of their life invested into the program they coach. Tom Brands really appears to welcome the heavy responsibility of delivering NCAA Championships to the wrestlers and fans of Iowa wrestling. And he did that - so there has to be some deep satisfaction, especially considering that they had to take the title from the other two programs and coaches that Iowa considers their peers (Ok State and Penn State). But, you could see it in his body language and hear it in his words that he is also feeling the emotional effects of the weekend.

I think most of us can agree that Tom Brands appears to get as emotionally-invested in his athletes, their matches, and the program as any coach out there. Not even knowing all of things that are going on behind the scenes, here are a few things- none of which are related to Penn State or Penn State going 4-for-4 in finals- that could certainly weigh heavy on him, even during a time of great achievement, that he is dealing with himself but also having to help each one of his athletes deal with:

- Two out of three finalists lost OT heartbreakers - as a coach, this has to hurt you because there's no doubt that it hurts the athletes. If they feel like they failed, then he feels like he failed because he is there to help them win those matches.
- Eierman transfers out of his home state program into Iowa, bumps Murin up (resulting in Murin not making AA), to finally win a title as a senior at the school he always dreamed of wrestling for, then loses in OT to a guy he beat two weeks ago. No doubt that Eierman is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- 6th-year senior Kemmerer, who showed faith in Iowa and was the first Young Guns wrestler to make the commitment to the Hawks and helped change the culture, does everything right throughout his career but loses in OT to a freshman he beat handily two weeks ago. No doubt that Kemmerer is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- One of the guys who also seems to do everything right and has had great success his entire Hawk career but has had disappointing NCAA tourneys, Marinelli, comes into the tourney as the #1 seed AGAIN, only to be upset AGAIN early in the tournament. Whether injured physically or emotionally, the pain is enough to have Marinelli withdraw from the tournament - probably a hugely troubling thing for a coach like Tom Brands to handle. Don't forget the heartbreak that Marinelli had to deal with only a year or two ago when his best friend died in a car wreck on his way to Iowa to witness the surprise engagement of Marinelli to the friend's sister, who also happens to be an Iowa wrestling manager. No doubt that Marinelli, a 5th year senior, is heart-broken and grappling with what to do next year.
- Austin DeSanto, who appears to be well-liked by his teammates for his work ethic and intensity, transfers into Iowa with a dark cloud as a result of his behavior, a short leash for bad behavior, and a bright spotlight on how the coaches would manage him. DeSanto has a huge tournament with a 3rd place finish and lots of bonus points, but has a WTF moment that leads to Iowa coaches having to ban him from coming back to the arena to accept his individual award or be part of the team award for fear of the wrestler being ejected and losing all of the team points he earned and costing Iowa the team title. That had to be a hard conversation for Brands to have and a hard thing for DeSanto to have to accept.
- His nephew, Nelson Brands, falls short of his goals and is one of only three wrestlers not to reach All American status - the other being Marinelli, who withdrew after his upset loss; and Murin, who was forced to bump up from his AA weight due to Eierman transferring in.
- Gable- who Brands has idolized all of his life- not being at the Championships for the first time in, probably, 55ish years (pretty sure I heard Gibbons mention that Gable was watching on TV from Florida).

Any one of those things on its own could take some of the luster off the 1st place trophy and subdue the celebration a bit.

Wrestling isn't like other sports due to the individual nature of the National Tournament - any one player in baseball, football, basketball, etc can have a bad game but still feel just as happy about the team championship as the players who had a great game. But wrestling...the goals of the guys at the top programs are individual championships first, which will help their team achieve success. Although the team can still achieve that success, the wrestler still feels the pain of falling short of reaching their goal and, in a weird way have a feeling of failing the dreams and sacrifices of themselves, family, coaches, etc. Sure, Tom Brands is a coach, but he'll always be a wrestler and he'll likely always see the NCAA Wrestling Championship Tournament through this lens. As he mentioned in the interview, unless they finish with 10 champs, he's going to feel some disappointment because he's going to have the guys he cares about feeling disappointed.

Sorry for such a looooonnnngggg post but it's just a very wordy way of saying that Penn State going 4-for-4 probably isn't the thing that had Tom Brands looking not as happy as some would expect the coach of the newly crowned NCAA Champ to look.
I think this is Terry. You wanna see a picture of a guy in turmoil. Tom looks like he's enjoying it.
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Plus Brands has to feel a freight train rolling down the tracks on his tail, given the makeup of the respective rosters in terms of remaining eligibility.

Ohio State won a NC awhile back, but were unable to use it to propel the program to sustained heights.
Iowa hoped, and expected, this tournament might serve as notice (especially to prospecive recruits) that Iowa is not just back this year, but back for good, and intends to be a legit competitor for top dog status in the years ahead.
With a solid lineup top to bottom, and potentially multiple champs, they might have thought they could even challenge the alltime scoring record.
The way things ended, it seems the rare opportunity to make that kind of statement, was probably lost.
They neede this to be a showcase event, and it just wasnt the one they thought they would have.
Certainly Iowa might still achieve those goals, and if everyone returns next year, will be right there with anyone, but if a couple of studs dont return...well, they might be following the Oh St path instead.
 
Gutsy performance from SLee. Unbelievable that he did what he has done with no ACL’s. Somebody has to explain that one to me and how was he cleared to perform? My god. Did nobody know but the Lee’s? Nevertheless a definite GOAT candidate!

By now, I've become a bit skeptical of Spencer's and Larry's statements about the severity of Spencer's knee injuries. Next time, let the doctors speak about them.
 
I watched Tom Brands’ interview. Seemed like a typical Brands interview to me. He rarely comes across as happy or satisfied in the clips I’ve seen over the years. He’s fierce and passionate and unapologetic about being so. I admire his credentials but find his personality off-putting and consider some of his public comments/behavior to be embarrassing to his University and team. There are others that love everything about him and Terry and I accept that as a reasonable difference of paradigm and opinion.

What struck me as interesting is that several of Brands’ responses in the interview suggest that he does not expect all his wrestlers to come back next year. Did anyone else get that impression?
 
I watched Tom Brands’ interview. Seemed like a typical Brands interview to me. He rarely comes across as happy or satisfied in the clips I’ve seen over the years. He’s fierce and passionate and unapologetic about being so. I admire his credentials but find his personality off-putting and consider some of his public comments/behavior to be embarrassing to his University and team. There are others that love everything about him and Terry and I accept that as a reasonable difference of paradigm and opinion.

What struck me as interesting is that several of Brands’ responses in the interview suggest that he does not expect all his wrestlers to come back next year. Did anyone else get that impression?
It isn't typical of him to give an interview after winning a Team championship, at least in recent History, That would be Cael ;)

your observation that he is having some angst perhaps of the future (kids not coming back..etc) I did notice, and part of the reason I started the thread as I thought there was a lot to unpack in that 9 minute press conference.

Edit- Looks Like Marinelli and Eirman are coming back, so Maybe we both are reading into it wrong??
 
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Thanks for posting the Brands interview. I think Tom Brands is a straight up guy and says it as he sees it. He had mixed feelings after the tournament. He started out talking about the joy that was felt by the team and fans with the title. But, was honest enough to admit sharing in the disappointment that a number of his guys didn't meet their expectations. He felt that for them and it showed. I don't see anything more than a coach who cares about his guys and is transparent enough to show it. AND, I too felt that he was indicating that there is a real possibility that one or more of his seniors might not come back next year.
 
I got the definite impression that Brands does not expect them all to come back. Marinelli said yes. Desanto said he is coming back. Eierman said that wrestling is his future and he will do what is best for his career. Since his future is freestyle.....who knows if he will come back to college. I am guessing not. Kem Dog? Great young man. If I had to guess.......I would say he is moving on.
 
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I got the definite impression that Brands does not expect them all to come back. Marinelli said yes and Eierman said that wrestling is his future and he will do what is best for his career. Since his future is freestyle.....who knows if he will come back to college. I am guessing not.
Eierman also announced he's coming back right after Marinelli.
 
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Tom lives and dies with his guys. As happy as he is for the team title, he's crushed for Kemerer and Eierman. He's also probably crushed because Spencer is hurt. Marinelli has been the heart and soul of the team for 3 years and he went down again. Like Cael said following DT's losses, it's bittersweet when you see these guys come so close and fall.
 
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