Breneman interviewed Hackenberg for his pod, plenty of PSU talk
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Sounds a little childish. No NFL team is really a football "camp" where you go to learn how to be a QB. College QB's going into the NFL just have to get on the practice field and show their team theat they have talent, have the potential to play QB and win NFL games, and compete with the other QB's in camp for snaps in practice and ultimately in games.
Hate to say it but that type of expectation sounds like something someone who has been coddled his whole life would say. Some would say it's hard to do great things for a team in somewhat of disarray like the Jets may have been, but Hack had a chance to bounce around the NFL to other teams and no staff seemed to be abe to coach him into being a successful NFL player. Including O'Brien in Texas. I appreciate his contributions to PSU football but it seems like his limitations as a QB which seemed to include limited mobility and not excelling at reading defenses and making good throws to secondary receivers when he was pressured limited his potential as an NFL QB.
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Hate to say it but that type of expectation sounds like something someone who has been coddled his whole life would say. Some would say it's hard to do great things for a team in somewhat of disarray like the Jets may have been, but Hack had a chance to bounce around the NFL to other teams and no staff seemed to be abe to coach him into being a successful NFL player. Including O'Brien in Texas. I appreciate his contributions to PSU football but it seems like his limitations as a QB which seemed to include limited mobility and not excelling at reading defenses and making good throws to secondary receivers when he was pressured limited his potential as an NFL QB.
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I think your bias is showing. The interview did not come off as childish at all. He took accountability for his actions, he didn't throw anyone under the bus (despite that if you want full accounting, Franklin should be early and often). Never mind the fact that Hack was less developed when he left Happy Valley than when he arrived that takes a special level of incompetency. And he was hurt. You criticisms are completely off base as he demonstrated superior ability (precision, decision making, pocket presence, really everything you expect a pro-style QB to do) as a QB before Franklin showed up with his clown car of bumbling idiots. Hack needed continued development, Donovan, Rahne and Franklins refused to provide it because they should have been left behind. Franklin should have known this.
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yeah kinda agree.
it was less than ideal for Tom Brady to be drafted onto the same team as Drew Bledsoe. worked out though
The entire interview largely comes off as grown up. But, it paints Franklin in a very bad light which anyone who knows how things were going back then knows is true. Franklin was the problem. Sandy saved him from himself by forcing him to shake up a staff he thought was OK and Franklin has grown since thankfully.
The Jets QB room in 2016 consisted of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, and Geno Smith plus Hack. I have a hard time seeing that as "loaded." In 2017, Fitz was gone, replaced by Josh McCown, and Smith was replaced by Lachlan Edwards, a 2016 7th round pick from Sam Houston. Again, not what I would call a "loaded" QB room.
Funny thing, in what was a great interview, Adam and Hack talking about their class, one thing rings out, the quality of the players in the first post-Paterno recruiting class is shocking. There was but 16 recruits, the majority had a big impact and quite a few were the best players we have had at their respective positions in the post-Paterno era. Many more came from O'Brien's pipeline. Speaks volumes about O'Brien's recruiting. He was considerably better than Franklin when you base it on impact vs. meaningless stars.
Agreed. That was the first class limited by massive sanctions. And it wasn't just a number but trying to recruit kids to play for a program so maligned and one that wasn't going to be playing in a bowl game for some time. It was amazing that two five-star kids kept their commitments.
Sadly, AB's career was unproductive due to several injuries. The biggest problem we had was on the OL. I recall a big kid, I won't mention is name, a JUCO xfer, who was simply awful starting games. We gave up several sacks to Temple, including giving one up to a two-man rush. One pundit said it was not only the worst OL PSU had ever fielded, it may be the worst OL in all of college football.
IMHO, Hack was overrated. He could never make short throws, for whatever reason. But he may have well hurt his NFL career because he played on such a shitty team. Don't forget, Donovan (OC) was fired in the locker room after the last game of the season. They couldn't even wait to let the plane land in HV to do it.
I respect those guys for sticking it out and not xfering out. They put it on the line for PSU and were the sustaining players that kept the program afloat until we were able to get a full team back on the field with good coaches.
None of them were the best player at their position post Paterno. 0.0
10 contributed. 9 finished their careers at psu. 7 transferred.
It is difficult to quantify how poorly the offensive coaching was immediately following Bill O's departure. The approach to blocking. The line was considerably worse than it should have been. Donovan used a kitchen sink approach to blocking. I tried to quality percentages but it was simply too difficult to come up with a real number but it was leaning towards 50% traditional gap blocking, 20% spread gap (remember the term sliding protections being thrown out as a fix week in week out even though they were far worse at this concept than any other), 20% zone and 10% man. It is not uncommon for teams to use combo blocking schemes for run vs. pass but to do it on a play by play basis seemingly regardless of down and distance with personnel that were exclusively recruited to plan man ball it idiotic, especially when every linemen rated above average running man. Even the two converted tackles rated above average, and Gaia frequently rated the highest on the team on the run.
Donovan and Rahne's incompetence doesn't end there either. Go watch a game and look at the number of slow developing routes that terminated within about a 5 yard area on either wing allowing for teams to defend three players with three defensive backs and no safety help. It gets better. Benching Zwinak for Belton and then expecting him to run through traffic and hold up as a blocker. Benching Kyle Carter and sometimes Jesse James for Mike Gesicki who was two years or a competent Tight Ends coach (Donovan) was being ready and Saeed Blacknall who was equally unready?
Yes, it is true Hack struggled with shorter throws but it wasn't a quarter as bad as you probably think. He was a pure drop back passer, not a spread option QB who could pivot on a dime to throw the dink and dunk throws needed in a spread passing game. Those were the plays he struggled with.
You are incorrect. Following the departures of Zettel and Johnson, the Cothra/ens proved to be our best 1 and 3 technique tackles of the post-Paterno era. When he actually played his position, Brenden Mahan was our best right tackle since Dennis Landolt. DaeSean Hamilton was a best Z-receiver and Brandon Bell was our best linebacker over the course of his career. Carter will take that crown eventually. Parsons would have if he played a third year or was much better as a freshmen where he blew as many big plays as he made.
what is the point, though, really?
yes the staff struggled in 2014 and 2015. The sanctions also affected those rosters. They still managed to make it to bowl games and righted the ship in 2016
Ssshh! Don't tell Wallace. It is all Franklin's fault. Hack should have been a Canton lock. By far the best QB PSU ever had and Franklin screwed it all up. LOL!
Pigeons like to strut, squawk, and shìt all over the place.
BOBs 7-5 and 8-4 are celebrated because of sanctions by the same people who piss on Franklin because the same sanctions didn't affect him. Essentially, the discussions sway in the direction of which coach you like/prefer.
AB is a story of what could have been. Career derailed by injuries.
That is pretty much completely made up BS. Fact, the sanctions significantly impacted the 12 and 13 teams. Fact, the sanctions moderately impacted 14 and 15. Fact, Franklin brought a clown car full of idiots with him to coach the offense in 14 and 15 and refused to fire them forcing Sandy to do it for him. All facts. Fuss and complain all you want. The fact of the matter is Franklin ran the team into the ground for two years, ostracized some of the most important players in the programs history upon arrival. Now, you have some of his groupies calling them cancers. These people are not Penn Staters and must be shouted down at all times.
2012 - 8-4
2013 - 7-5
2014 - 7-6
2015 - 7-6
2016 - 11-3
In what fashion did the sanctions moderately impact '14 and '15? '12 was impacted the harshest because the team lost 8-10 starters directly off the '11 team. However, it's not like the team got to magically add high level players in '14. The #s were down. The roster was uneven. Winning the conference in '16 made people overlook things and expect more.
Ran into the ground? Par for the course. '12 should have been a 10 win team.
